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Lighting Strikes 2 Planes At Dulles  
User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3470 times:

Did a search for this and couldn't come up with anything....

Pretty nerve racking if you're on these flights.....

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/play...up/?rn=4226712&cl=7496858&src=news

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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1545 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3435 times:

I was coming back from SAN last month and after the captain boarded the plane (it was an originating flight at 6:00AM) he came back to the gate and was talking to the agent there. Shortly thereafter we got an announcement saying that while the plane was on the ground overnight it was struck by lightning and the plane was damaged, but didn't go into detail. No big deal because there was a spare, but it thought it was interesting that the plane was struck and damaged while sitting on the ground amongst other airplanes that weren't struck (or at least weren't damaged).

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3435 times:

I was out spotting at IAD yesterday from about noon until 8pm from the parking garage. The weather certainly was bad at times.

I had no idea 2 aircraft had been struck yesterday but I did see the news crew stationed outside of the terminal.

Here is a shot of the Lufthansa A340-300 arrival, I believe you can actually see the plane parked at the gate in the video.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k170/swfshots/daifa.jpg



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User currently offlinePanova98 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3301 times:

Flights were a Continental express ERJ-135 [CO1202] from Newark to Dulles, diverted to BWI, and a United express ERJ-145 [UA7795] from Dulles to Toronto, returned back to Dulles. Both were struck around 10:15 am, Sunday morning, the 20th.

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9836 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

I was talking about this with another engineer since a pair of 737s were struck last week. What are the inspection requirements after a plane is struck by lightening? The electrical checkout is probably pretty simple since if something is going to break, it's going to be instant. However lightening can also cause structural damage, so what is required to inspect for that. Does a mechanic just wander around the area where the plane was hit looking for holes or damage?

Any insight is appreciated.



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User currently offlineJetracer5 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3158 times:

Did you notice they were both connection carriers. I've noticed a few RJ's flying into stuff they shouldnt. With quick upgrades and airlines hiring with low hours expect to see more stuff like this. On sunday I was cleared for take off from MDT then issued a wind shear aleart from tower indicating a loss of 15kts on the departure end of the runway. We lined up and our radar showed a bunch of severe weather or off the end of the runway for the next 30 or so miles. We decided to cancel our take off clearence and taxi off the runway and wait it out. A vision of a certain Dallas crash came to our minds..... Just when we do this a United Express RJ pulles up to the runway (Mesa or Trans States?) Gets issued the same windshear warning and was told we were waiting it out and the tower asked if they still wanted to take off. There anwser.....Yea. We were like WHAT! Of course 99 times out of a 100 your going to have no problem but a negitive loss windshear like that is just not worth the trouble. Sorry I got a little off track but if your getting hit by lighting you probably shouldnt be where your at in the first place.

User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2887 times:

Is it really that big of a deal? I gotta imagine this happens regularly in Florida during the summer.

User currently offlinePanova98 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2858 times:

Yes, they were connection carriers, if you want to call them that. To the travelling public, they were United and Continental. Probably few people had a clue they would be on a Chautauqua, or an ExpressJet-operated flight. Code-sharing is such a deception to the flying public.

Not saying there shouldn't be what you call connection carriers. But, if I were in-charge (thank goodness I'm not), code-sharing would be illegal, however much notice is given, published, whatever. If somebody tells me the safety record of United, for instance, it is so meaningless, because I seldom know or understand when I am actually on a United-operated flight even when I pay United for transportation.

Ah, the industry today!


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2816 times:

On Monday after Easter 2005, I was flying ORD-ATL-MEX with DL, and when my friend and I arrived at the DL check-in counter in ORD, we were told that our flight to ATL and several other DL ORD-ATL flights that day were cancelled because the night before a number of DL planes had been struck by lightning at ATL (including the plane that was going to fly late night to ORD, spend the night there and take us to ATL that very morning). By the chaos that was going on at the DL check-in area and the words of the agent, it seemed to me that the lightning event had been quite bad and that the number of frames damaged had been large. In the end, DL gave us a travel voucher and we ended up taking MX's nonstop redeye to MEX that night, which was a bit inconvenient due to the schedule, but not so bad because it afforded us an extra day in Chicago. Funny thing is that the first thing I did once I was back home was google the lightning storm at ATL and I found absolutely nothing.

My questions are: How serious is a lightning strike on a plane? Is it very common? What kind of repairs does a plane need after being hit by lightning? What happens when the plane is struck while airborne?



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User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2749 times:



Quoting Jetracer5 (Reply 5):
Sorry I got a little off track but if your getting hit by lighting you probably shouldnt be where your at in the first place.

That's what I was thinking. Two (2) aircraft were struck leaving the same airport (I assume same runways) which tells me someone wasn't taking the proper precautions...

Quoting Panova98 (Reply 7):
Yes, they were connection carriers, if you want to call them that. To the travelling public, they were United and Continental. Probably few people had a clue they would be on a Chautauqua, or an ExpressJet-operated flight. Code-sharing is such a deception to the flying public.

I don't think that was the poster's point.

Quoting Panova98 (Reply 7):
code-sharing would be illegal,

Why? What difference does it make? Airlines select code-share partners based on a number of different criteria, one of which is safety. So, if I'm flying UA and I make a code-share connection to LH, I'm comfortable with that because UA wouldn't have a code-share alliance with another airline if they didn't meet their specific critieria, namely their safety record.

On another note, what might the passenegers have experienced in the two (2) aircraft that were struck by the lightining? I presume they would have seen the bright flashes, but would the plane get jolted? What is the physical impact of the strike?


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2736 times:



Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 2):
Here is a shot of the Lufthansa A340-300 arrival, I believe you can actually see the plane parked at the gate in the video.

Was it LH 414 or 416?? I believe yesterday both these flights were A343!!

Do they normally use 19R for heavies arrival when 19's are in use and 1R for heavies when 1's are in use??

I have been in some monsoon clouds while i lived in india...i must say its quite nerve racking with the sudden descent and its impossible for flight crew to serve meals/drinks etc. but never been on an airplane which was struck by lightning, i am sure the pax must get worried.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
My questions are: How serious is a lightning strike on a plane? Is it very common? What kind of repairs does a plane need after being hit by lightning? What happens when the plane is struck while airborne?

I have the exact same questions, thanks  Smile



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User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2713 times:



Quoting Mk777 (Reply 10):
I have been in some monsoon clouds while i lived in india

While living in Arizona, we would get the monsoons in the summer time, which creates some pretty spectacular lightning shows. Usually PHX will shut down until the storm passes, if its close to the airport. However, on ascent or decent and you are passing through the monsoon, you get treated to some really cool lighting shows and cloud buildups...I love being a passeneger as the pilot navigates through those buildups. It's kind of like a car on a racetrack going in between the cones to demonstrate manueverability....


User currently offlineJetracer5 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2706 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
My questions are: How serious is a lightning strike on a plane? Is it very common? What kind of repairs does a plane need after being hit by lightning? What happens when the plane is struck while airborne?

Lightning strikes are not very serious at all. Aircraft have static wicks at the trailing edge or the wing and tail that disipate the static charge back into the air. Also all the navigation systems have been designed to withstand a lightning strike. As far a common.....I flew turboprops in Florida for 2 years and now I have been flying RJ's for 2 years and I have never been struck. So I would say its not very common. But I have flown with people that have been struck. If a plane is struck while flying all that is going to happen is you will hear a load bang and a bright flash of light. Thats it.. I'm not sure what kind of inspections have to happen but I imagine just a visual inspection to make sure no damage was done to the outer skin.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 6):
I gotta imagine this happens regularly in Florida during the summer.

2 years on a EMB-120 picking my way through T-storms and never been hit


User currently offlinePNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2607 times:



Quoting Panova98 (Reply 3):
Flights were a Continental express ERJ-135 [CO1202] from Newark to Dulles, diverted to BWI, and a United express ERJ-145 [UA7795] from Dulles to Toronto, returned back to Dulles. Both were struck around 10:15 am, Sunday morning, the 20th.

A friend of mine was on the flight on Sunday and they were diverted to BWI as a precaution. They were all bussed back to IAD from BWI. She said there was a big thud and the plane dipped a good bit and people were screaming. She herself looked quite shaken when we saw her. The word must have spread fast since by the time she was at BWI - ABC news from Baltimore's ABC2 were already at BWI and she was one of the interviewees....


User currently offlineJetracer5 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2593 times:



Quoting PNQIAD (Reply 13):
She said there was a big thud and the plane dipped a good bit

If a plane is stuck it will not bump or cause turbulance or cause the plane to shutter or anything. Just a flash and a bang....thats it. Most likly just a few nervious fliers shakken up a bit.


User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 794 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Lightning strikes are not what I would say is common, but it does happen from time to time. I've been flying airliners for 11 years and have been struck 3 times. Once in a DC-3 and twice in the CRJ. The strike in the DC-3 was in heavy precip driving through a line of nasty weather, we didn't have radar afterall, and both times in the CRJ was in very light precip while deviating around storms. Both times we were at low altitude, 5-10,000 range and were flying through areas of precip not strong enough to paint even green on the radar. My events all resulted in no damage to the airplanes however I have certainly seen lightning damage. At one of my previous carriers we had a CRJ strike in which the horizontal stabilizer had a whole from top to bottom. Standing under it you could look up and see sky through the stabilizer. We had other airplanes loose winglets and even 2 cases of partial rudder separation. In most cases, mx just does an inspection to look for holes or burn marks and will do a check of essential systems. It can take from 30 minutes to several hours depending on the airplane and what is found. When I was on the 717 I found that both aft position light lense caps were cracked. I thought this to be a bit suspicious and we later found that the airplane had been struck and nobody realised it, or at least did not speak up if they did. That airplane was removed from service for the rest of the day while checks were done.

Lightning is a funny thing but by in large the airplanes can handle it.


727forever



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User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1161 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

after watching the video, it cracks me up to see how people act as experts in things they dont know about... "wow, phenominal, electronics..... like totally!"


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2343 times:



Quoting Mk777 (Reply 10):
Was it LH 414 or 416?? I believe yesterday both these flights were A343!!

Do they normally use 19R for heavies arrival when 19's are in use and 1R for heavies when 1's are in use??

The first flight was operated by the A340-300 while the second was the A330-300 and arrived on 19L.

Apparently almost all of the European arrivals will go to 19R when the 19's are in use and apparently when the 1's are in use 1R is mainly used for the European arrivals but generally they will go to either.



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