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Any Fleet News At HA?  
User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 818 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3222 times:

Rumors were flying a couple of weeks ago that an announcement was coming from HA regarding the acquisition of additional aircraft. So far all is quiet...anyone have information?


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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3384 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3207 times:

Is this in addition to the Airbus order firmed in Feb?

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre..._hawaiian_airlines_widebodies.html


User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3199 times:

As delivery positions are being revised behind the scenes now in Everett, Reston and Toulouse it will be interesting to see what fresh from the factory commercial aircraft might be available in the marketplace. However, knowing the leadership style of the CEO of Hawaiian, Mark is very intelligent and will not simply jump to fill a temporary void.

Cheers,
BP1



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User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 818 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3199 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 1):
Is this in addition to the Airbus order firmed in Feb?

Yes, word was that some additional aircraft acquisitions would be announced shortly in light of the AQ & TZ failures.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7058 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3169 times:



Quoting HNL-Jack (Reply 3):
Yes, word was that some additional aircraft acquisitions would be announced shortly in light of the AQ & TZ failures

Yes, they are trying to get some additional 717s ?

How are the chances of getting some A319 for mainland flights ? Since they will get A330s and A350s they would have commonality and with the break down of Skybus 60 delivery slots have opend up.



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User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3145 times:

Some of the Skybus aircraft were being leased to them by Virgin America. The reason some of those planes were being leased was due to American Airlines and Continental Airlines trying to play the 25% foreign ownership game so Virgin America got smart, at the time, and leased some planes to Skybus.

However, if Midwest goes under or decides to sell off some assets, then we might just see some of those 717's making it down to HNL for HA. Inside info here - - has anyone seen any of the senior management team at HA taking a quick trip to MKE? Have any of the Midwest people been down to HNL in the past few weeks?

Cheers,
BP1



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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2558 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2867 times:

In a message from our (HA pilot) union, they said that the company is looking for additional aircraft for both interisland and transpacific flying. That includes 'negotiating with carriers that have or will soon have MD-80's, Q-400's, 717's, and 767's available for lease'. Nothing has been announced yet, although the company is still going ahead with hiring plans for more pilots and FA's.

Obviously we are in a good position in our market and want to be able to expand as soon as possible. However as BP1 said above, Mark Dunkerley is a smart CEO and won't go full throttle into a situation that won't benefit us operationally and financially.

Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
How are the chances of getting some A319 for mainland flights ? Since they will get A330s and A350s they would have commonality and with the break down of Skybus 60 delivery slots have opend up.

I'd say it's somewhere less than zero. The whole problem with AQ and TZ's demise is that they put a lot (or all) of their Hawaii capacity into 737's. In a low-yield long-distance ETOPS-regulated market like Hawaii, smaller planes like the 737 just can't compete with bigger aircraft on seat-mile cost. The 319 would have exactly the same problems. Yes, it can certainly make the flight. But compared to our 767's, it holds less than half the seats, but certainly doesn't cost just half as much to operate - it's really more like 60% to 70%, driving the yield into negative territory. Yes, some carriers are still using 737's to Hawaii (Alaska comes to mind), but they support their relatively small Hawaii operation with a robust mainland ops. AS uses their Hawaii flights mostly as incentive for frequent flyers to go with them, instead of (as they used to do) pay Hawaiian to take them while using FF miles.

Quoting BP1 (Reply 5):
has anyone seen any of the senior management team at HA taking a quick trip to MKE? Have any of the Midwest people been down to HNL in the past few weeks?

Nothing seen from our side, and the rumor mill has been quiet on that front.

HAL



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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2359 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2831 times:



Quoting BP1 (Reply 5):
However, if Midwest goes under or decides to sell off some assets, then we might just see some of those 717's making it down to HNL for HA. Inside info here - - has anyone seen any of the senior management team at HA taking a quick trip to MKE? Have any of the Midwest people been down to HNL in the past few weeks?

I believe FL has said they will sell some planes. Maybe they went to MCO instead?


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7458 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2779 times:



Quoting HAL (Reply 6):
I'd say it's somewhere less than zero. The whole problem with AQ and TZ's demise is that they put a lot (or all) of their Hawaii capacity into 737's. In a low-yield long-distance ETOPS-regulated market like Hawaii, smaller planes like the 737 just can't compete with bigger aircraft on seat-mile cost. The 319 would have exactly the same problems. Yes, it can certainly make the flight. But compared to our 767's, it holds less than half the seats, but certainly doesn't cost just half as much to operate - it's really more like 60% to 70%, driving the yield into negative territory. Yes, some carriers are still using 737's to Hawaii (Alaska comes to mind), but they support their relatively small Hawaii operation with a robust mainland ops. AS uses their Hawaii flights mostly as incentive for frequent flyers to go with them, instead of (as they used to do) pay Hawaiian to take them while using FF miles.

I was thinking the same thing when AQ closed-up. I didn't understand how , flying a 73G to the islands could re-coup fuel and crew expenses. Plus,being a low-yeilding (at least to the airlines) destination. If you look at the other majors,the smallest plane they use to HA is a 757. That's why a 764 is a great plane,probably the 753 also.
Also,has HA found any spare 717's , yet?



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User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2779 times:

Although the Alitalia situation changed a few days ago when the Italian government said they would give a loan to Alitalia, the EU is today (24 April 2008) questioning the legality of that loan. Therefore, the AZ situation, when it collapses, should open up some longer range aircraft to the immediate market.

The Q400's, please do not take any from SAS with the frequency of emergency landings of the SAS Q400 fleet.

Cheers,
BP1



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User currently offlineHelloGorgeous From China, joined Nov 2007, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

Has anyone heard that HA will be picking up ex BI 767s? They were built in 1993.

User currently offlineWESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

I think they should get A380s for inter - Hawiaan hops. Smile


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User currently offlinePohakuloa From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2215 times:



Quoting HAL (Reply 6):
That includes 'negotiating with carriers that have or will soon have MD-80's, Q-400's, 717's, and 767's available for lease'

hey HAL, are they really looking at MD-80's or Q-4's??? I can understand the Q-4's maybe (always thought Island AIr would have tried to jump on a few for themselves since AQ went bye-bye) , but with the history of the MD-80 and the HA brand, are they really looking into it? even on a temporary basis??

I'm more curious than questioning the logic into it.

Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 11):
I think they should get A380s for inter - Hawiaan hops.

surely you jest with this remark!?



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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2558 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2203 times:



Quoting Pohakuloa (Reply 12):
hey HAL, are they really looking at MD-80's or Q-4's???

Apparently they are looking at all options - although I'd admit that the MadDog is probably just a remote possibility. The real problem is that if we are going to expand, we need to do it soon. That means we are constrained by the current aircraft market, and those options are somewhat limited.

In his latest recorded message today, Dunkerley said that they hope to make an aircraft announcement in the very near future.

HAL



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User currently offlinePohakuloa From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Appreciate your feedback as always HAL


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User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 818 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1912 times:



Quoting HAL (Reply 13):
Apparently they are looking at all options - although I'd admit that the MadDog is probably just a remote possibility.

Comments coming out of HA today make it sound like some version of the MD-80 series will be added to the fleet on short term leases.
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Fantasy MD-83 in Hawaiian colors



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User currently offlinePohakuloa From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

i know most of the general public may not notice the difference in the planes, but that is a sexy looking plane!!! then again, i admit i am partial to "majority" white liveries on aircraft. though there is such thing as too much of it.

SEXY!!!  hyper 



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User currently offlineHA_DC9 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

Wow! the MD-80 looks good in the new HA livery. I'm sure HA would do pretty good if they go for MD-80s to supplement the 712 fleet. Moreso if they can get them cheap enough.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21478 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1830 times:



Quoting HNL-Jack (Reply 15):
Comments coming out of HA today make it sound like some version of the MD-80 series will be added to the fleet on short term leases.

The MD80 might be a good long term addition to the fleet when HA starts operating it.

Without AQ, there are times of day when HA and AQ were both sending 100 seaters every hour with 75% LF but if one airline didn't send a jet at that time, the other would win all the customers. Now HA can send a 150 seater every hour with near 100% LFs. And MD80s have a larger cargo hold.

You might see the MD80 be a permanent fixture between Oahu and Maui for a long time to come, with the 717s covering the other routes…



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21478 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1821 times:



Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 17):
Wow! the MD-80 looks good in the new HA livery. I'm sure HA would do pretty good if they go for MD-80s to supplement the 712 fleet. Moreso if they can get them cheap enough.

DL and AA should be parking some right now...



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