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Aeropostal: Dead Or Alive?  
User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 27
Posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

Hey guys,

A friend of mine called me today tellimg me how Aeropostal has cancelled most of its flights today and past days of the week and their reservation systems are not working neither through the internet nor telephone.

It's been days that I haven't heard of any movement in the airline and the 737-700s that were bound for the airline are stuck in the US...

Any news?


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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1873 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

I've also heard the rumors about the B737-700 (ex. Westjet) for Aeropostal. But the involved plane (C-FMWJ) is still in Canada. So I think it's not true.

But VH will resume operations between Miami and Venezuela within two weeks, that means that they need very fast new planes. Personally I think, that they get the MD-80s.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 3387 times:



Quoting Viasa (Reply 1):
But VH will resume operations between Miami and Venezuela within two weeks, that means that they need very fast new planes. Personally I think, that they get the MD-80s

heard they will wet-lease a A-380  Smile

As I understand they have currently only 1 aircraft that is flying... even this bird was grounde for a few days... due that all cancelaciones..



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User currently offlineRleiro From Venezuela, joined Jan 2006, 498 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Hi there:

Just a DC-9-50 (YV139T) is in service now. The rest of the fleet is grounded due to the new regulations imposed by INAC. I guess that VH's international operations will not be resumed soon, as they've to expect now that INAC grants VH the corresponding new airworthiness certificates.

Saludos,

Roberto.



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 3284 times:



Quoting Rleiro (Reply 3):
Just a DC-9-50 (YV139T) is in service now. The rest of the fleet is grounded due to the new regulations imposed by INAC. I guess that VH's international operations will not be resumed soon, as they've to expect now that INAC grants VH the corresponding new airworthiness certificates.

That's very sad. Venezuela´s Aviation today is like a sad history.

After Viasa, no airline seems to stay in the air for a while.

I really hope that this is something temporarily (but don´t trust that will be).


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Uhh, with a sole DC950 flying I think being dead or alive is quite the same thing...

Good move by INAC on their new regulations. We can't afford more accidents in Venezuela, it's already up to a critical level.



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User currently offlineRleiro From Venezuela, joined Jan 2006, 498 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 3240 times:



Quoting 797:
Good move by INAC on their new regulations. We can't afford more accidents in Venezuela, it's already up to a critical level.

Although I agree with you that INAC's decisions are correct, I cannot help criticising the fact that Venezuelan Government is partly guilty in this situation. Since 1994, taxes on new airplanes are extremely high, this caused that airliners stopped investing in replacing an already aging fleet. Instead, they went to a second-hand market that derived in the situation that we are living right now. Moreover, fuel prices are relatively low for Venezuelan Airlines, so having a DC-9 or 732 stills profitable within a business model that cannot be projected beyond months due to the political unrest of these years.

Saludos,

Roberto.



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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2716 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 3192 times:



Quoting 797 (Reply 5):
Uhh, with a sole DC950 flying I think being dead or alive is quite the same thing...

Reminds me of Avensa which went from flying DC-10s accross the Atlantic to just flying this one EMB-120 on one domestic route. After that it just shut down.


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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1873 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

What? Only one plane left??? So it would be better if they shut down it's operation untill they have new planes (the Westjet B73G).

Could it be that all airlines from Venezuela have lot of problems - excepted perhaps Avior, Laser, RAVSA Venezolana and Rutaca?


User currently offlineRleiro From Venezuela, joined Jan 2006, 498 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months ago) and read 3082 times:

It's confirmed. There's only 1 DC-9-50 flying (YV139T). A second DC-9-50 (YV135T) is under check and possibly will return to the skied compliant with new INAC's certifications in 2 - 3 weeks. Apparently, they want to put the DC-9's into service, so afterwards can start reorganize its MD-80 fleet.

Quoting Viasa:
Could it be that all airlines from Venezuela have lot of problems - excepted perhaps Avior, Laser, RAVSA Venezolana and Rutaca?

RAVSA and Venezolana are the same airline now  Wink

Saludos,

Roberto.



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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1873 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3021 times:



Quoting Rleiro (Reply 9):
RAVSA and Venezolana are the same airline now

I know... there is no comma between  Wink

But it's better if we talk about "RAVSA Venezolana" in this thread: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3950842/


User currently offlineRleiro From Venezuela, joined Jan 2006, 498 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2981 times:



Quoting Viasa:
I know... there is no comma between  Wink

Oops, my mistake. Sorry about that  Yeah sure

Saludos,

Roberto.



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User currently offlineMdaddy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Aeropostal has been evicted from MIA offices. Avior has to pay landing fees on a cash per flight basis. Santa Barbara is silent. Venezuelan aviation has become the bottomless pit of the southern hemisphere. Who can figure when there are numerous success stories ala TACA, LAN, TAM, etc.

User currently offlineRleiro From Venezuela, joined Jan 2006, 498 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2944 times:



Quoting Mdaddy:
Aeropostal has been evicted from MIA offices. Avior has to pay landing fees on a cash per flight basis. Santa Barbara is silent. Venezuelan aviation has become the bottomless pit of the southern hemisphere. Who can figure when there are numerous success stories ala TACA, LAN, TAM, etc.

This is partly related to the exchange control imposed by the Venezuelan Government. Airliners do not receive, or receive dollars in quite irregular time terms. Unfortunately, the lack of commitment of official and private sector in Venezuela to draw a plan or model that would solve this situation is hurting the airlines, and the passengers who are the real victims of this.

Saludos,

Roberto.



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User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

Geez Louis. Are they really trying to cut themselves off that much? Well, I guess if Iran Air and Cubana can fly in and out they aren't completely isolated. Even if they have a strong alliance with other South American countries, do you really think they'll open up only to them? I don't live in South America and I only know what I hear from my in-laws and wife and what I read in the on-line news from Guyana. I'd probably get disowned by my in-laws, but maybe Chavez has a good idea to shut everyone off for a while, regroup and become a major power later. I don't think so, but we tried that in between the Spansih-US war and WW! and it sort of worked for us.... at least until 1929. Either way, I don't see this lasting too long. Someone's going to get extremely pissed off and Chavez is proabably going to get ousted one of these days. He doesn't have a big Soviet government backing him either. We'll see what we'll see.

I see what he's trying to do, and even though I'm not Latino, there does need to be a bigger identy in the world, at least to compete. No offense to any of you guys, but the way I see it, and the way he's protrayed here is just a thug. Then again, look at who our vice president is.

Sorry, I didn't want to get political.



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User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2892 times:



Quoting Mdaddy (Reply 12):
Venezuelan aviation has become the bottomless pit of the southern hemisphere

I was waiting for someone foreign to say it... and it's absolutely true... look at Colombia's Avianca, Chile's LAN, Ecuador's TAME, Brazil TAM and Gol!!!... We have nothing!

Quoting Xtoler (Reply 14):
I'd probably get disowned by my in-laws, but maybe Chavez has a good idea to shut everyone off for a while, regroup and become a major power later.

I get your idea, but you have the wrong interpretation. If Chavez ever wanted to shut someone off is for good, and not to then put them together and create a big airline capable of being in the international market. Chavez wants to harm the private sector and that's why most of the opposition is from that side of the market. Now Aserca, Santa Barbara, Aeropostal and Conviasa are owned by people related to the government, so as you may see, there are no strong competitors in the airline business...

Sad but true.



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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2004 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2879 times:



Quoting Mdaddy (Reply 12):
Venezuelan aviation has become the bottomless pit of the southern hemisphere.



Quoting 797 (Reply 15):
Now Aserca, Santa Barbara, Aeropostal and Conviasa are owned by people related to the government, so as you may see, there are no strong competitors in the airline business...

Sorry, although it looks like Aeropostal is owned by someone from the government, this is definitely not the case. The government/INAC and other institutions are doing their very best to kill the airline. It the owners were from the government, this would not be the case.


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2873 times:



Quoting Chiguire (Reply 16):
Sorry, although it looks like Aeropostal is owned by someone from the government, this is definitely not the case. The government/INAC and other institutions are doing their very best to kill the airline. It the owners were from the government, this would not be the case.

Chiguire - I thought about this too and makes a lot of sense. It's been loads of rumors that this was the case, but also Conviasa got some aircraft grounded due to this INAC measure... who knows!



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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2004 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2852 times:



Quoting 797 (Reply 17):
It's been loads of rumors that this was the case, but also Conviasa got some aircraft grounded due to this INAC measure... who knows!

I am not talking about the INAC grounding. But they declared the Falcon Air MDs "inadequate" to fly to Venezuela - now they fly within the US. For the FAA they are OK. Aeropostal had to suspend flights to MIA, CUR, SDQ and POS and look for other aircrafts. Finally they found the SkyKing 737-200 - also flying without problems for years under FAA regulations. And after 2 weeks of reliable service for VH in Venezuela, INAC banned those planes as well leaving VH without aircraft again.
Definitely, this would not happen to Conviasa - just look at the rusty Atlantic 737-200 with reg. from Honduras they were using.....


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2845 times:



Quoting Chiguire (Reply 18):
Definitely, this would not happen to Conviasa - just look at the rusty Atlantic 737-200 with reg. from Honduras they were using.....

Absolutely agreed... and I bet the SkyKing 732 was in much better shape than the V0 one...



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User currently offlineRleiro From Venezuela, joined Jan 2006, 498 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

I've just received news from a friend who told me that the sole DC9 of Aeropostal has just been taken out of service due to antiskid and engine problems. Tomorrow Aeropostal will have no airplane available

Sad, really sad  Sad

Roberto.

[Edited 2008-04-25 17:00:34]


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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2684 times:



Quoting Rleiro (Reply 20):
Tomorrow Aeropostal will have no airplane available

And will possibly be the end of the history of VH.

 Sad


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2643 times:



Quoting Rleiro (Reply 20):
I've just received news from a friend who told me that the sole DC9 of Aeropostal has just been taken out of service due to antiskid and engine problems. Tomorrow Aeropostal will have no airplane available



Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 21):
And will possibly be the end of the history of VH.

Please keep us updates on any official announcements on VH. I will certainly miss seeing their DC9s at POS. I remember frequently seeing two of them parked at POS on a morning with the yellow engine caps on. While I never flew them, I always remember thinking that they had some of the hottest sterawdesses around!

Thoughts are with all those involved and affected- staff, passengers, managers, fans etc.

AA1818



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9769 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2605 times:



Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 21):
Quoting Rleiro (Reply 20):
Tomorrow Aeropostal will have no airplane available

And will possibly be the end of the history of VH.

Indeed sad news for VH and its employees but based on the reactions of almost every Venezuelan members here the end of VH was in sight for a long time. Even when they are gone there are a number Venezuelan airlines wanting to pick up their routes. CUR has also not seen any VH flights in the past weeks but I can see R7 and 9V taking advantage of the VH situation as they already fly to CUR. 9V is expanding a lot from CUR and they serve CCS, MAR, VLN and SDQ from CUR. R7 connects CUR with CCS and SDQ 4 times weekly and also has charter flights to CCS. Laser has charterflights every now and than from MIQ.

A388


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

I don't think this is the end of VH yet... I feel some more stuff has yet to come...

Even though they're not officially gone, those poor workers are in the Limbo... with a job and without a job... just imagine what'd they be doing right now in this uncertainty... an airline with no airplanes, what the heck!

Quoting A388 (Reply 23):
based on the reactions of almost every Venezuelan members here the end of VH was in sight for a long time

Yes, it's been like this for a long time... but there's a lot of unclear things going on now, so I'm not sure what to expect from this...

Let's see what comes along.



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25 Post contains links and images 747fan : For an NCAA tourney charter last month, I flew on an Aeropostal MD-80 (N905TA, delivered to VH from Finnair in 2005) that was being leased to Falcon A
26 Post contains links Rleiro : Unfortunately, the last of the legacy airlines that stills active in Venezuela (Viasa and Avensa are long gone). Aeropostal's business model was wron
27 Viasa : If Aeropostal will restart operations with (the Westjet) B737-700, the INAC also will say that there were not save enough to fly in Venezuela... Sad t
28 Post contains images Rleiro : Today in the morning I passed in front of their offices at Centro Lido in Caracas. The logos of Aeropostal were covered with plastic bags, although th
29 797 : That's because the Logo company needs some sort of permission from the Alcaldia to be shown. My mom's stores usually have to do this once a year unti
30 Cybergus : It seems that the situation is getting worst. I was informed today that the telephone lines of the airline in Maiquetia were shut down, I don't know i
31 Rleiro : I was in a rush (as usual), and could not get further info, yet your assumption might be right. It called me the attention that the logos were covere
32 Chiguire : The whole former management in CCS has been fired and the new people need to pick up the dirt the others left behind. The airline says, that within th
33 A388 : Are these the ex-WestJet 737NG's? If so, where does VH get the money to pay for these relatively new aircraft? I thaught they were in bad (financial)
34 Chiguire : I think money is not the problem after they have been taken over. It seems to be more a problem of organization. The debs left behind by the former o
35 Rleiro : There still some managers in key positions. Some of them are guilty in a great deal of this shameful situation. However, it is hopeful news to know t
36 Chiguire : Those two types complete my collection...... I heard from almost all other types available, these two were missing. Thanks So do I. Especially as the
37 Rleiro : I have just arrived from CCS with ORL_777 and the first sight in the morning was a VH flight with YV139T. Glad to know that they still alive, although
38 AA1818 : Was it a DC=9 or did they get the 737-700? Anyone know is they have resumed services to POS? Caribbean Airlines has been doing extremely well given V
39 Chiguire : YV139T is a DC9. According to VH information, international operations will restart in June 08.
40 Rleiro : YV139T is a DC-9-50 While ORL_777 and me were in CCS we could see at least three flights of VH with the same airplane, from 08:00 until 15:30, all of
41 A388 : VH would resume their international flights to SDQ and CUR before they would restart POS service as SDQ and CUR are among their most successful intern
42 Viasa : I'm surprised that Aeropostal still flies with one DC-9. Why they not completly shut down it's operation untill new aircrafts will arrive in CCS?
43 Rleiro : Because INAC would revoke its certification and thus would shut down operations forever. Saludos, Roberto.
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