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Wings Air-ATL To AHN, MAC & LZU?  
User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

As a native of Athens I have heard rumors of this type of service for some time but it seems it may actually be happening this time. I have seen a couple of billboards promoting this on Hwy. 316 as well.

However, I am skeptical as to the success and feasibility of these routes and personally think it will be shortlived. Also, will this service give US the ability to pull out of AHN? IIRC US has been locked into AHN for years due to a clause of leaving AHN without commercial service if they pulled out. Perhaps someone has a better explanation.

In any case it seems as if this type of service and price point will only work for business travelers. $99 o/w I am assuming is steep for a lot of folks - especially if it were a family traveling on vacation. Don't get me wrong, I am probably going to give them a try as soon as it starts just because of the TSA lines on Mondays at ATL. My company has already talked about using because they pay our mileage to and from the airport along with parking so it works out its about the same cost but I cannot see independant business folks and vacationers using it.

Anyone have any thoughts on whether it may work or how long it will last?

Link: http://www.flywingsair.com/index.php


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User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

Where are they going to park at ATL?

User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

Ive heard of an operation like this bidding on the AHN and MCN EAS routes. I hope not though as i think it would be a huge loss for AHN. Id like to see them cough of the $$$ to get US to upgrade service and market the #$%& out of it and i think they can get ti to work.


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User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

Looks like an air taxi service to me. I here that's the hot thing going on in the Southeast now. The way gas prices are, you might have a good thing using it. Sitting on I-285 going nowhere and watching the gas guage moving faster than the speedometer, is definately something to thing about. I checked out the web sight, at least it's a good "family" sized turbo prop. If you have family waiting at your destination, try it out. Depending on where you are going to, it still may be cheaper to fly there, and rent a mini-van for you and yours to where you really want to go.

I know you won't get the same service as you will an airline, but it's a pretty good alternative, if you can catch it. There's also a start-up company in Florida using Eclipse jets (they only seat up to three pax though), doing air taxi service between Lakeland, FL to I think Hilton Head. Try it out though, and let me know. My wife and I are trying to get back to the ATL area. If I could get a cheaper and more convenient flight from ATL(well, not necessarily ATL but some of the surrounding airports) to HSV to visit with my family that would be pretty cool.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22737 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3506 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 2):
Id like to see them cough of the $$$ to get US to upgrade service and market the #$%& out of it and i think they can get ti to work.

If ZV's service were a little more reliable, that would help too.



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User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3498 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
If ZV's service were a little more reliable, that would help too.

I agree, and thatd detrimented by the fact there is only one B1900 running all those flights out of CLT.

One of the problems/issues is that US doesnt offer a "State rate" fare agreement which doesnt allow for most/all UGA folks to use US service at AHN, because they are a state entity. If they had that program in place, and couples it with an agressive marketign campaign, I dont doubt for a minute they could profitably operate DH8s.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22737 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3491 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5):
If they had that program in place, and couples it with an agressive marketign campaign, I dont doubt for a minute they could profitably operate DH8s.

Notwithstanding the contract that forces them to keep the service, it makes no sense to fly to AHN if you can't carry UGA traffic. There simply isn't that much else happening in Athens.



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User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3482 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
it makes no sense to fly to AHN if you can't carry UGA traffic. There simply isn't that much else happening in Athens

Exactly, imagine how much better theyd be doing if they were capturing all that traffic!



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User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Well, you can't put sole blame on the airlines. The aiprort and surrounding area does have some responsibilies. If there is no incentive for people to fly into the local airport, despite the business in the area, you just won't get any business.


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User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3467 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 8):
Well, you can't put sole blame on the airlines. The aiprort and surrounding area does have some responsibilies. If there is no incentive for people to fly into the local airport, despite the business in the area, you just won't get any business.

Its the airline's fault for not offering the state fare rate that would allow them to transport more people in the market, probably because they dont care since its EAS...



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User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3443 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
Notwithstanding the contract that forces them to keep the service, it makes no sense to fly to AHN if you can't carry UGA traffic. There simply isn't that much else happening in Athens.

With all due respect there is plenty of businesses and business travelers that would and could support regular air service on CRJ200's or DH88's. There are more businesses than one might think. Remember that it is not just the immediate Athens area that could be the market but Gainesville, Winder, Conyers, Lawrenceville, Buford, Toccoa, Elberton and Greensboro/Eatonton areas that you could have as a customer base.

If US could come to an agreement with UGA along with the NE Ga customer base and decent marketing and advertising in the above mentioned cities (especially Gainesville, Commerce, Conyers, Lawrenceville, Duluth and even Stone Mountatin) I believe CRJ200 or DH88 service 3-4 times daily could be a reality, even perhaps a once a day PHL or LGA service and couple of days per week to MCO.

However, US has a bad taste in its mouth about AHN but people would come to AHN I believe if they realized the service was there and that US not gouge the h*ll out of the travelers.

I for one still travel out of AHN on US probably 1 out of every 7-8 flights or once per month at least. It would be more if they offered the better service and yes reliability.

As for AHN-ATL, I am still going to try it, especially on a Monday. I do remember years and years ago, Piedmont and Delta flew AHN-ATL along with Gainesville, GA - ATL, of course that was back in the old days and the original Hartsfield.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22737 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3416 times:



Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 10):
With all due respect there is plenty of businesses and business travelers that would and could support regular air service on CRJ200's or DH88's. There are more businesses than one might think.

 checkmark I didn't mean to come across as condescending; sorry if I did. The fact remains, though, that UGA is the economic engine of Athens. That certainly does not mean that there aren't other things going on in and around Athens (though I think suggesting that folks form Gwinnett County will make the drive to AHN if it has more service might be pushing the envelope a bit).



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User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3413 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 3):
Looks like an air taxi service to me. I here that's the hot thing going on in the Southeast now. The way gas prices are, you might have a good thing using it. Sitting on I-285 going nowhere and watching the gas guage moving faster than the speedometer, is definately something to thing about. I checked out the web sight, at least it's a good "family" sized turbo prop. If you have family waiting at your destination, try it out. Depending on where you are going to, it still may be cheaper to fly there, and rent a mini-van for you and yours to where you really want to go.

That's exactly what it is...an air-taxi. Bad idea...I just hope that Sonny Perdue isn't crazy enough to disburse state funds to help the service. Read Mike Boyd's perspective on air-taxis. He states it much more eloquently than I do.


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Given $118/barrel oil, these services usually go belly up fairly quickly. Unless it's only competing with a boat, it's not a good idea.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3396 times:



Quoting Kohflot (Reply 1):
Where are they going to park at ATL?

Over at the Atlantic FBO (Almost typed Mercury Air Center....) and then bus them to the terminal.

Here's the thread from last Fall I started on this subject.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3640135/

One of the issues brought up in that thread was security screening and checked baggage. Passengers (At least at LZU) would be screened once they get to ATL, as the FBO does have security screening available.

As for baggage, the main concern was would any airline be interested in interlining or even codesharing with a small operator. A good example is U.S. Helicopter's service in NYC between TSS (E. 34th St. Heliport) and JFK and between JRB (Downtown Manhattan Heliport) and JFK.

I think if DL were to get behind this operation and make the service a DL codeshare, it might work.


User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3368 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
(though I think suggesting that folks form Gwinnett County will make the drive to AHN if it has more service might be pushing the envelope a bit).

I would not be so sure about that, there is only about 1-2 miles difference driving distance between Lawrenceville to AHN and ATL. AHN from Lawrenceville is a straight shot down 316 with nearly no traffic or to ATL is 316/85/75/85 thru down town or around 316/85/285 around the perimeter.

With the proposed train between ATL-Lawrenceville-AHN could make the argument even more so for AHN.

I drive to GSP from Athens to fly Delta (thru ATL 9 times out of 10) just to avoid going to ATL and the TSA. GSP is 12 miles further that ATL from my house but I can get there about 15 minutes faster, the same goes for AGS. Atlanta is the beast in the equation and a lot of folks would do anything not to have to drive through Atlanta to get to the ATL if they did not have to.



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User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3366 times:

Dont forget that AHN offers free parking!


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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22737 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3361 times:



Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 14):
I would not be so sure about that, there is only about 1-2 miles difference driving distance between Lawrenceville to AHN and ATL. AHN from Lawrenceville is a straight shot down 316 with nearly no traffic or to ATL is 316/85/75/85 thru down town or around 316/85/285 around the perimeter.

I can see Lawrenceville, but I think anything north/west of 85 is probably a different story.



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User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3347 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
I can see Lawrenceville, but I think anything north/west of 85 is probably a different story.

Yea lawrenceville is a feasible cut off, Once AHn gets their longer Runway, i think it'd be a good G4-Florida market



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User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3330 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 3):
here that's the hot thing going on in the Southeast now.

 checkmark  DayJet is moving into GA. I think they're as far north now as MCN, constrained by a lack of airplanes.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3153 times:



Quoting DeltaDAWG (Thread starter):
I have seen a couple of billboards promoting this on Hwy. 316 as well.

I noticed the one at 316 and Kilcrease Road yesterday.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 17):
Yea lawrenceville is a feasible cut off, Once AHn gets their longer Runway, i think it'd be a good G4-Florida market

I definitely think Snellville could be feasible as well. US-78 traffic westbound in the mornings absolutely sucks, and with the widening project ongoing for the next few years (Sure it's being done during the overnight hours, but with the reversible lanes going away in the sections they will be widening as they go along, it impacts things during the rush hours.). Traffic going eastbound in the mornings isn't too bad at all (You might get a slight back up in Loganville where 81 veers off at.), so in the time it would probably take someone to go from the intersection of US 78 and GA 124 to the I-285 interchange at that time of the day, they could be at the airport in Athens. To me, for most of Gwinnett County, AHN would be a viable alternative at certain times of the day. When I used to live out in Gwinnett County, it would take me no more than 30 minutes to get the airport area. This of course was in the middle of the day or on weekends when traffic was not nearly as bad.

In some ways, even Conyers and even Covington has potential for folks going up to AHN. I-20 westbound in the mornings makes US 78 look like smooth running. I-20 WB is usually backed up from ITP (Usually at the Candler Road exit or as far west as Gresham Road.) to Evans Mill or even Turner Hill. If there's a wreck anywhere in that area, it can back up almost to Sigman Road. From Conyers, one can take GA-20 up to 78 outside of Monroe and get to Athens from there, the folks in Covington can go up either GA-81 or go east on I-20 to GA-11 and hit US 78 from there. Probably still quicker than taking I-20 WB.


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