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JetBlue To Charge $20 For 2nd Bag  
User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5287 times:
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Sorry if this was already posted....

Looks like B6 is joining the legacy carriers in charging for a 2nd bag. While I think it's necessary, I do feel that jetBlue is turning into the "Big bad carriers" that they set out not to be, one step at a time.

http://consumerist.com/382532/jetblu...o-charge-20-for-second-checked-bag

Looks like Mad TV saw this coming though




and the Carol Burnett show




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User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5284 times:
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Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Thread starter):
I do feel that jetBlue is turning into the "Big bad carriers" that they set out not to be, one step at a time.

Short of charging you astronomical ticket prices or uninstalling the TVs to save weight and fuel, what would you like them to do?

Sad to see this, but very necessary, too.

-JBLU


User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1418 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5239 times:



Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 1):
Short of charging you astronomical ticket prices or uninstalling the TVs to save weight and fuel, what would you like them to do?

Sad to see this, but very necessary, too.

Since most of B6 is probably the leisure traveler, lets see how quick a family of 4 with 8 bags will run to B6. With the other airlines, if you are a flyer with status or first class then you can get 2 bags...what will B6 do?


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5184 times:

So what airline is left that allows you to check in 2 bags for free? (US in particular as it's most the US carriers charging fees for 2nd bags)

Edit: Okay, so I've compiled a quick list of those who made announcements recently...

Airline - Fee for 2nd Bag - Announced - Starts
B6 - $20 - 4/22 - 6/1
VX - $25 - 4/11 - 5/5
FL - $10 - 4/11 - 5/15
CO - $25 - 4/4 - 5/5
NW - $25 - 3/28 - 5/5
DL - $25 - 3/18 - 5/5
US - $25 - 2/26 - 5/5
UA - $25 - 2/4 - 5/5

So this is all United's fault! Big grin

[Edited 2008-04-22 14:03:27]

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19220 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5176 times:

Doesn't WN still allow 3 checked bags for no payment?


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User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5142 times:



Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 1):
So what airline is left that allows you to check in 2 bags for free? (US in particular as it's most the US carriers charging fees for 2nd bags)

Well, off the top of my head, we still have AA, F9, AS, and WN. Hopefully they won't go down the same route.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4):
Doesn't WN still allow 3 checked bags for no payment?

No. WN only allows two. They stopped allowing 3 free bags in January.


User currently offlineCloudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

Alas, I am afraid JetBlue has become just another airline, with staid old thinking. Not charging for a second bag could have been a gold mine for them, if they marketed it. JetBlue already has more legroom, leather seats, they still offer free beverage and snack service, good IFE, and by virtue of their focus city and lots of direct routes structure, a lot more direct flights. All they needed was room to expand, which with the bankruptcies and mergers, they would have had. They could have through some good advertising repositioned themselves from being the low cost image holder to being the better service airline, and maybe even attract a number of those semi-frequent fliers who's company cutbacks have forced them into coach.

But I guess being safe is better than being innovative and successful in the stock market.



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User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4899 times:
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Quoting JFK69 (Reply 2):

Since most of B6 is probably the leisure traveler, lets see how quick a family of 4 with 8 bags will run to B6. With the other airlines, if you are a flyer with status or first class then you can get 2 bags...what will B6 do?

What are the odds that the leisure family of 4 with 8 bags has status on a legacy?

I lot of people are complaining, and seeking innovation, but I don't see anyone offering suggestions...

JBLU

[Edited 2008-04-22 19:29:14]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4883 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 3):
So what airline is left that allows you to check in 2 bags for free?

AA and WN. Let's hope it stays that way.

Second bag check-in policies are not the way to go, IMO. Plus, while I'm not expert, but I don't think it is going to create much additional revenue. It is just going to create more headaches, most notably more carry-ons and, as a result, slower boardings. Many people aren't going to actually pay the $25, they are simply going to make one suitcase heavier or take a larger carry-on bags. Not to mention potential additional "policing" costs of these fees.

I believe the second bag charge rules will be gone within two-three years.



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User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4828 times:

I agree with Cloudboy, jetBlue has officially become a legacy carrier in everything but name. I mean they started out trying to "bring humanity to airtravel" but have quickly sorted themselves into a semi legacy carrier with a pseudo first class (38" pitch first few rows, average everywhere else), no free headsets, nickel and diming everything.

I used to be an avid jetblue supporter, but now they are just like everyone else, huge and impersonal. I liked it better when they were NYC's hometown airline.



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User currently offlineGatiBOSGRU From Brazil, joined Oct 2007, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4743 times:

Well, if that's what it takes to survive, then so be it !

Would you rather have that or an increase in airfare?

I personally am not bothered by this since i usually travel with only a carry on or atleast 1 Checked.

I guess airlines gotta do what they gotta do...


User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1418 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4663 times:



Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 7):

What are the odds that the leisure family of 4 with 8 bags has status on a legacy?

I lot of people are complaining, and seeking innovation, but I don't see anyone offering suggestions...

Slim to none, but I should have separated the two statements. The family of 4 will not fly with anybody. If they are turned off from all these extras they may choose not to fly at all.

My solution you ask? Well UA started this whole thing when they announced they were charging. They started the slippery slope. If people really believe that this fee will stop being charged once fuel prices go back down then they are seriously warped with their sense of thinking. The airlines will say "If they paid it then they will pay it all the time".

The American public is dumb. They don't understand how the airlines come up with their number. They just see a total at the bottom of the booking page. If they pay that total and then get to the airport and find out they have to pay another $50 bucks,,,they will flip. This is the reason the airlines must build in the extras into the price. Raise all the fares by $15 bucks and people wouldn't bat an eye at paying it. Give these people and all inclusive price and stop trying to nickel and dime.


User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4623 times:
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Quoting JFK69 (Reply 11):
This is the reason the airlines must build in the extras into the price. Raise all the fares by $15 bucks and people wouldn't bat an eye at paying it.

I agree with your logic, but airlines have tacked on $10 here and $15 there to that bottom logic. Do you think it's better to keep tacking it on there or to look at alternate methods?

JBLU


User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4470 times:



Quote:
I agree with Cloudboy, jetBlue has officially become a legacy carrier in everything but name. I mean they started out trying to "bring humanity to airtravel" but have quickly sorted themselves into a semi legacy carrier with a pseudo first class (38" pitch first few rows, average everywhere else), no free headsets, nickel and diming everything.

I used to be an avid jetblue supporter, but now they are just like everyone else, huge and impersonal. I liked it better when they were NYC's hometown airline.

Flybyguy, You fail to look at the whole picture... With fuel soaring over $100/bar, it's survival of the fittest right now. JetBlue is doing what they have to do to stay in the game. People don't need free headsets, just bring your own, I always do, and many people do anyways. If you forget, just get an upgrade one for $1... I'm glad that we're not wasting headsets or pillows and blankets anymore.



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User currently offlineTXKF2010 From Bermuda, joined Nov 2005, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

Is this just on domestic as the others (except US of course)? Or all flights?


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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4248 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4341 times:

For some reason, my "Quote Selected Text" isn't working.... please forgive me.

"Alas, I am afraid JetBlue has become just another airline, with staid old thinking. Not charging for a second bag could have been a gold mine for them, if they marketed it." (Cloudboy, Reply6)

A goldmine? I think an airline would have to spend a lot of advertising money in the hopes of getting that money back in terms of extra bag revenue. I will be the first to say I don't like the "can't beat them, so join them" mentality, but at some point it is hard to ignore a potential revenue stream that is right at your fingertips. As I said in a different thread, how long until they charge for the tvs? That will be a real blow to their image and brand, if you ask me, much more than following the herd with extra bag fees.

"But I guess being safe is better than being innovative and successful in the stock market." (Cloudboy, Reply6)

Desperate times are these.

"Plus, while I'm not expert, but I don't think it is going to create much additional revenue." (MAH4546, Reply8)

I would think that although the revenue generated is small, combine this with the savings incurred by not having to fly a second bag around. I realize that people are just going to stuff more into carryon bags, but the airlines are still forcing people to travel lighter and pack better and this will ultimately cut down on their fuel usage. Unfortunately, I don't think any savings in fuel or the revenue generated by extra bag fees is even going to come close to closing the gap with the rising cost of JetA.

"Is this just on domestic as the others (except US of course)? Or all flights?" (TXKF2010, Reply14)

As far as I know, it is all flights.

"I agree with Cloudboy, jetBlue has officially become a legacy carrier in everything but name. I mean they started out trying to "bring humanity to airtravel" but have quickly sorted themselves into a semi legacy carrier with a pseudo first class (38" pitch first few rows, average everywhere else), no free headsets, nickel and diming everything.

I used to be an avid jetblue supporter, but now they are just like everyone else, huge and impersonal. I liked it better when they were NYC's hometown airline." (Flybyguy, Reply9)

Sadly, I tend to feel the same way. Every time something like this happens, no matter how much sense it makes or how necessary it is, they are one step closer to the airlines they were trying not to be.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineCloudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4319 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 15):
A goldmine? I think an airline would have to spend a lot of advertising money in the hopes of getting that money back in terms of extra bag revenue. I will be the first to say I don't like the "can't beat them, so join them" mentality, but at some point it is hard to ignore a potential revenue stream that is right at your fingertips. As I said in a different thread, how long until they charge for the tvs? That will be a real blow to their image and brand, if you ask me, much more than following the herd with extra bag fees.

A goldmine for just an extra bag, no. A goldmine for offering a full service flight like they used to be versus the legacy airlines which have now turned to low frills airline, yes it could be a goldmine. And they DO need to spend money on advertising. They SHOULD spend money on advertising. That's the whole point Of advertising!

Quoting Richierich (Reply 15):
Desperate times are these.

So why not start doing something desperately different then following all the other lemmings off the cliff?

Quoting Richierich (Reply 15):
I would think that although the revenue generated is small, combine this with the savings incurred by not having to fly a second bag around. I realize that people are just going to stuff more into carryon bags, but the airlines are still forcing people to travel lighter and pack better and this will ultimately cut down on their fuel usage. Unfortunately, I don't think any savings in fuel or the revenue generated by extra bag fees is even going to come close to closing the gap with the rising cost of JetA.

And forcing people to think twice about how difficult it will be to go on vacation, think twice about any fare increases that do come along, think twice about who they are going to fly, think twice about how much they are willing to spend... the problem is you have to look beyond just fuel savings. It seems airlines have forgotten that they carry people, not cattle. People don't just magically appear out of nowhere at the airport and disappear again once they leave. Air travel is one part of their whole trip, one bit of their lives. They may not have much of a choice to fly or take the train, but they have huge choices about who they fly and even more, whether they fly. THAT'S what airlines have to compete with and deal with. They have to look outside their realm a little. all those pennies you save add up. But then again, all those costs, and all that loss of brand value and business ALSO adds up. Beware of that cost!

Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 12):
I agree with your logic, but airlines have tacked on $10 here and $15 there to that bottom logic. Do you think it's better to keep tacking it on there or to look at alternate methods?

Personally, it seems to me you would loose a lot less business if people thought they were being told upfront about what their costs were than feeeling like they are being gouged by fees they didn't know they had. These are the same people who spend more for a better hotel room, will spend more for a fancier car, will splurge on a restaurant, how on earth does it make any sense they won't when it comes to flying?

Quoting GatiBOSGRU (Reply 10):
Well, if that's what it takes to survive, then so be it !

Would you rather have that or an increase in airfare?

I personally am not bothered by this since i usually travel with only a carry on or atleast 1 Checked.

I guess airlines gotta do what they gotta do...

I would rather a simple fare increase and know what I am getting into ahead of time than feeling cheated, which I suspect a vast majority of people would, otherwise we wouldn't have so many people upset over their bank fees every month! Yes, airlines have to do what they have to do. My question is, why are they working so hard at avoiding doing it - which is simply increasing the fares?



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User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4299 times:

The story is out in the industry that AMR will do the same....time will tell....it's a huge procedural issue for carriers to rewrite software and kiosk checkin routines and what do the skycaps do?

Few things with this charge....yes it will drive up revenue....yes it will anger the infrequent traveler.....yes it is really gonna slow down checkin....yes it will drive more bags to gate initially until carriers get smart and turn them around at the checkpoint.....and most importantly the end game will be less bags on the aircraft reducing weight, fuel, and labor.

Heck...if you are gonna have to pay let FedEx have it...at least you know it will get there!! grin.


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