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SMF Terminal B Gets Go Ahead  
User currently offlineBuzz100ca From United States of America, joined May 2007, 89 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5240 times:

"The Sacramento County Airport System has been issued a “Finding of No Significant Impact” and “Record of Decision” for the proposed new terminal at Sacramento International Airport...

...Construction is expected to start this fall. The estimated cost for the full project, which will include a hotel, is $1.27 billion. The new 674,000 square-foot terminal will have 23 gates and include the international arrivals facility, which is now in a separate building."

http://www.centralvalleybusinesstimes.com/stories/001/?ID=8507



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User currently offlineJetboy319 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5201 times:

While Terminal B is certainly old, a brand new terminal just doesn't seem necessary right now. Much of it sits empty for most of the day aside from early morning/late nights when some airlines need to park aircraft remotely. Considering the uncertainty of the current climate in the airline industry, this seems like a very risky move.... my 2 cents.
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User currently offlineBooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

It's not TOO risky, considering that this new terminal will replace the decrepid Terminal B, which has 14 gates. So SMF is actually only adding 9 gates.


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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5097 times:

It's about it. Me like very much, I am tired of the century-old Terminal that UA and AA uses. I think we need this more than we need to build a new arena for the Kings, they suck anyways.  duck 


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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5086 times:
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Maybe someone might start a connecting complex at SMF with the new terminal...anyone? Anyone? QX? B6?

User currently offlineAnonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5059 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 4):
Maybe someone might start a connecting complex at SMF with the new terminal...anyone? Anyone? QX? B6?

How about VX, since their goal was to become the California airline (wasn't it?)?



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User currently offlineSMF711 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

The rumor is that all the airlines in current Terminal A & B will move into this new terminal, except for Southwest. If you've ever flown out of their side if the A Terminal you will see that they can easily use more space for existing flights and expansion. So, if completed the terminal airline layout will be:

Terminal A:
Southwest

Terminal B (new):
Air Canada
Alaska
American
Continental
Delta/Northwest
ExpressJet
Frontier
Hawaiian
Horizon
jetBlue
Mexicana
United
US Airways
Virgin America (maybe in the future)

That doesn't seem too far fetched as the airlines soon to be in the new Terminal B will have come from using 19 gates, moving into a terminal that has 23 gates, that's only four more gates between all those airlines. Maybe some one will expand a little bit.  Smile


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5344 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4964 times:

Wow! Regardless of what figures are used (a net gain of 4 or 9 gates?) this sure seems like a huge amount of over-kill and a bundle of money for a medium-sized airport in a medium-sized market. I see aspects of DEN and of MCO which each serve, what, 30+ Million pax/year, being integrated into a 23-gate terminal as the major part of an airport that handles about 10M pax/year...

I have no idea where the money is coming from for this project; if local or state taxpayers are involved, I would love to know how they feel about the price tag. I also wonder if the airport user fees would increase significantly in order to pay off the costs, resulting in some airlines not only NOT expanding, but actually reducing service (as we have seen happen at other airports with WN at least.)

Wow!

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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4938 times:

It looks gorgeous! At first glance, the landside terminal looked a bit like SFO, until it was seen in greater detail. It'll certainly be nice to have a shiny new terminal at SMF, but seriously is a $1.3B terminal needed? They could build something functional with the same amount of gates for half of that. Just look at B6's new, larger T5 at JFK. What's the price tag on that? Somewhere around $700m IIRC. I'm thinking that would be a heck of a lot more reasonable.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4896 times:
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Airport terminals have to be upgraded eventually. I think it's better to expand the terminals now (being proactive) rather than wait until you don't have enough room for new airline service (being reactive).

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4882 times:



Quote:
Wow! Regardless of what figures are used (a net gain of 4 or 9 gates?) this sure seems like a huge amount of over-kill and a bundle of money for a medium-sized airport in a medium-sized market.

I'm with you. On a per new gate basis it is a lot of money.

Its going to be a great facility, but if airlines continue to be cost conscious it could also be a future limiting factor.

Oh well, maybe SCK will get more service as the Low Cost alternative.



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User currently offlineRW717 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

There was an airport meeting yesterday where the airport authority wants to basically double all of the fees for the airlines because they are afraid of losing revenue from airlines going under. From what I understand it got VERY heated between the airport and WN.


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User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1003 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4748 times:

My understanding is that the people mover is what added a lot to the cost. The problem is that the current terminal needs to remian open while the new terminal is under construction, and the best way to do that is to seperate the landside and airside terminals with the people mover in between.

User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2264 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4720 times:

Don't forget this new terminal includes a hotel. That hotel will add a fair amount to the price tag and make up a good chunk of that $1.3B. If the airport will own the space the hotel will occupy, they'll make good money on the lease. If the hotel operator owns the space, then the total price tag isn't just the airport's. Terminal B is long overdue for a makeover/redo, and delaying will only cost the airport more in the long run.


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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

Am I dreaming or was there supposed to be a new runway built in SMF to handle Europe flights? Any chances of SMF seeing International flights (other than Mexico) in the next decade if ever? I am tired of flying the little props to SFO everytime I gotta leave te country.


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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4650 times:

What, the daily Air Canada CRJ to YVR doesn't count as international also?


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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

Surely, they wouldn't be building a new runway for a CRJ. I mean international as in Europe or Asia. Far-fetched but possible.


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4596 times:



Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 16):
Surely, they wouldn't be building a new runway for a CRJ. I mean international as in Europe or Asia. Far-fetched but possible.

Keep dreaming, keep dreaming mate. Just like you keep dreaming you'll move up from your 1977 Puke-Green Pacer-X to a 1979 Orange Ford Pinto.  duck 



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4589 times:

Surely not for an RJ? Well you said other than to Mexico and SMF already has international to Canada also.


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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4507 times:

LOL @ Puke-Green Pacer. Hey, we see more action in SMF than in your SJC Jacobin777.


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User currently offlineSMF711 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 4378 times:

You would think that with the 787 some form of International Service would be possible. US airlines link smaller cities in Europe with the large hubs, is it possible that European airlines would link smaller/mid-sized US Cities with their large hubs?

User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1457 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 13 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

I fly into SMF often and spend a lot of time in A. It is always a pleasant experience. The few times I have flown AA or UA, I found the experience in their terminals to be cramped with inadequate services beyond the gate. A new terminal like A will be a great addition. Since many of the airlines only have a few flights a day, the new terminal will serve the currernt needs and provide gates for hopeful future expansion. A light rail line through Lodi, Stockton, Modesto...would cut traffic on the 5 and 99.

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

DesertAir, I wouldn't say this is going to be like Terminal A. To me this looks like a mini-DEN.


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User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1003 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

In the opening shot, is that a light rail train I see pulling up to the terminal? I wonder if that means there are plans to extend light rail to the airport, or if that was just speculation on the part of the artist.

User currently offlineBuzz100ca From United States of America, joined May 2007, 89 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

Yflyer, RT has plans to serve SMF from Downtown via Natomas.

Regional Transit link:
http://www.dnart.org/default.asp

Map:
http://www.dnart.org/pdfs/lpa_map.pdf

[Edited 2008-04-25 14:46:27]

25 JetsGo : Before Central Terminal B was planned, there were initial drawings for a runway that would span horizontally north of the two current runways. It was
26 AADC10 : This will only work if SFO, OAK and SJC get completely overloaded. SMF has always been in the shadow of SFO and OAK and there is currently little reas
27 JetsGo : Simply not true. SMF is growing all across the board. They have consistently increased pax numers, airlines, and destinations over the years. Since 9
28 Post contains links FATFlyer : Apparently both US and WN are upset about the increased fees to pay for this. This is just a small part of an article in the Sacramento paper today.
29 Tom in NO : (From post 7---"quote selected text" not working): "I have no idea where the money is coming from for this project; if local or state taxpayers are in
30 Post contains links and images DCA-ROCguy : I'm with those who say this is an awfully pricey way to gain less than 10 gates at what's really a big medium-size market. As for a supposed need to b
31 AADC10 : The real problem is that if there is outsized spending on terminals then the landing fees to pay for them will start to kill off flights. The older t
32 AndesSMF : The price certainly seems excessive at first read, but it looks like the entire airport would be reconfigured, in a good way. The separate dropoff and
33 KPHXFlyer : I think Terminal A is in decent shape if it is even dated to the start of the airport. One of my clients, who flies out of SMF frequently, mentioned t
34 FA4UA : looks like SFO, MCO and DEN all rolled up into a medium sized market. Very impressive! LAX should take notes... step one: Rent gigantic bulldozer and
35 JetsGo : You guys have your terminals backwards. B is the old one that dates back to the opening of the airport. A is the one completed in the late 90's.
36 KPHXFlyer : JetsGo, that makes much more sense. B does look that dated.
37 RentonView : I'm glad to see they'll be providing a large overhang at the entrance. Waiting outside the current terminal B for a ride in sweltering summer heat is
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