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Delta Air Lines Still Holds The Record But..  
User currently offlineReltney From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 191 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

If you have only the facts can you help..

How many years had Delta Air Lines had consecutive profitability in the past (prior to the 90s). I cannot find an old book I own which has this info but the facts are out there. As best as I can remember they went from about 1940 to 1981 with out a loss? That is close but not quite right. Anyone have the facts?

I ask because SWA is about to break this record if they haven't already and I want to win another round of drinks from my Southwest pilot girlfriend.

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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10326 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

I don't have any later figures because my Delta book only goes up to 79. I do know it was until '82, tho.
So the consecutive profitable years were from 1947 until 1982.

[Edited 2008-04-23 07:17:50]


"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6479 times:

they took a hell of a pop 1st quarter year before last and rebounded back in the other quarters, They just have to adjust the rates to the cost of fuel. I dont think anone counted on this large of a spike in the last three months,, Whose to say it hits 200 a barrell tommorrow.... There is no limit,,,


i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlineSWABrian From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6209 times:

Delta went from at least 1945 until 1988 with only two losing years.

User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10326 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6209 times:



Quoting SWABrian (Reply 3):
Delta went from at least 1945 until 1988 with only two losing years.

Yeah, it was 1947 and 1982, I believe.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5939 times:

Wow.

See, it only takes a few wrong people to screw a good thing up. I think it started with Beebe (sp?) IMO. Although he was a long time Delta employee, he changed that seat a lot and we all know he really pushed for his mentee to get in...



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10326 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5796 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
Wow.

See, it only takes a few wrong people to screw a good thing up. I think it started with Beebe (sp?) IMO. Although he was a long time Delta employee, he changed that seat a lot and we all know he really pushed for his mentee to get in...

Well, he was the one that groomed Ron Allen to take over. Dave Garrett was the last good one I remember. Seemed like a nice enough guy. Whit Hawkins or Hollis Harris probably should have been the CEO before Ron Allen ever was.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4019 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5682 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 6):
Whit Hawkins or Hollis Harris probably should have been the CEO before Ron Allen ever was.

Even Gerry Grinstein should have been considered more seriously (even though he didn't think it would be a good thing) after the Western merger. Ronald W. Allen and Leo Mullin are the two that systematically destroyed DL.



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User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5652 times:

Delta will pull out of in the next two quarters, they did it last time


i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5622 times:



Quoting Reltney (Thread starter):
I ask because SWA is about to break this record if they haven't already and I want to win another round of drinks from my Southwest pilot girlfriend.

All you bet was a round of drinks?? Buddy...  Wink


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5439 times:



Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 7):
Ronald W. Allen and Leo Mullin are the two that systematically destroyed DL.

...though I'll always question such seemingly-brilliant ideas as buying high-end 772ERs for flights to only the UK and France, or buying 280+ seater aircraft with 6500mi range primarily for flights to Florida, LaGuardia, and a pineapple or two; how really can it be said that the likes of Allen/Mullin "destroyed" what continues to exist, as relatively fit to survive as any of the other Big3? Perhaps in spirit only?


User currently offlineTommytoyz From Tonga, joined Jan 2007, 1353 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4850 times:



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 8):
Delta will pull out of in the next two quarters, they did it last time

Like as in Bankruptcy? Delta ceased existing in its original form after the bankruptcy as all stock it had issued were canceled and declared worthless. The new entity is just that - a new entity with new stock issued and sold to investors.


User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4303 times:



Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 10):
Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 7):
Ronald W. Allen and Leo Mullin are the two that systematically destroyed DL.

...though I'll always question such seemingly-brilliant ideas as buying high-end 772ERs for flights to only the UK and France, or buying 280+ seater aircraft with 6500mi range primarily for flights to Florida, LaGuardia, and a pineapple or two; how really can it be said that the likes of Allen/Mullin "destroyed" what continues to exist, as relatively fit to survive as any of the other Big3? Perhaps in spirit only?

Agreed. Allen did the PA purchase, giving DL instant access to most of Europe. Mullin started the significant Carribbean/S.A. expansion. DL would not be the global airline it is today without those two moves.

Now, if you want to say Mullin didn't understand the culture and destoyed that, then I'm with you.


User currently offlinePagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3762 times:

We agree, Ron Allen did good when DL bought PA...instant access overseas.

User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10326 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3592 times:



Quoting PagoFlyer (Reply 13):
We agree, Ron Allen did good when DL bought PA...instant access overseas.

I'll always agree with that part. I always wondered how much of a bargain DLgot in the package deal compared to buying those same routes on the open market.

As for when Ron Allen took over, you could feel the palpable switch from the Delta family and culture almost from the first day he took over. It eroded slowly, at first but when Leo came in (a move that everyone applauded at first), it started to really go downhill after 9/11. Leo brought in people that could have cared less about the DL culture and some actually despised it, thinking that Delta made money all those years in spite of itself.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineReltney From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3279 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 9):
All you bet was a round of drinks?? Buddy...

Well, thats what I told you.... Cheers.


User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3239 times:
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My take is that unless they've had $6.4 Billion in profits....it's all moot  duck 


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User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3210 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 14):
Leo brought in people that could have cared less about the DL culture and some actually despised it, thinking that Delta made money all those years in spite of itself.

Any indication of the same under the new regime?


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10326 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2607 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 17):
Quoting Mayor (Reply 14):
Leo brought in people that could have cared less about the DL culture and some actually despised it, thinking that Delta made money all those years in spite of itself.

Any indication of the same under the new regime?

Hard for me to tell as I'm retired. I do know that the past regime (Grinstein's) broke several promises to the retirees during and after the BK. As likable as Grinstein was, he still takes some of the blame for hiring Leo in the first place. I've seen no negative actions on the part of Anderson's people towards the retirees but, I've seen no positive ones, either. I'm thinking they're busy with all this other stuff to worry about us, for now.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
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