Exitrowaisle From United States, joined May 2000, 246 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4484 times:
In 1983-1985, Southwest operated some 727-200s leased from People Express. They were painted in WN colors, but does anyone know if they had Southwest interiors, or if they kept the PE seats, or Braniff seats (I think they were ex Braniff planes)? Also, based on the window configuration in the database photos, it looks like they still had galleys, but I thought PE removed all the galleys from its planes.
SWABrian From United States, joined Nov 2007, 176 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4438 times:
I don't know the specific answers to all your questions, but I did an article on WN's 727s in the Airway's Classics Volume 3. http://www.airwaysmag.com/channels.html?article_id=18&channel_id=13 I have seen pictures of the interiors of this batch of 727s and they appear to be the same as the standard WN-737s, minus the lounge areas.
LGA777 From United States, joined Jul 2003, 1004 posts, RR: 28 Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4340 times:
I flew on one in 1984 HOU-OKC and it had the same looking interior as the then current 732's did except I don't think it had any rear facing seats. Also the exterior had a standard WN scheme except the colors where off ever so slightly.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4340 times:
Quoting Exitrowaisle (Thread starter): In 1983-1985, Southwest operated some 727-200s leased from People Express. They were painted in WN colors, but does anyone know if they had Southwest interiors, or if they kept the PE seats, or Braniff seats (I think they were ex Braniff planes)? Also, based on the window configuration in the database photos, it looks like they still had galleys, but I thought PE removed all the galleys from its planes.
To the best of my memory, they had the original BN leather interiors. The aircraft had galleys, and it may have been just the ovens that had been removed, not the entire galleys.
Tom in NO From United States, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 55 Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4276 times:
Some of the oldtimers around here might have to help me out on this one.....there used to be a website that contained articles researched written by an oldtime a.netter, I believe he was from somewhere in Europe. For the life of me, I can't recall his name, username, or the website...but one of the articles on that website IIRC covered Southwest's 727's.
I also vaguely recall an article he wrote for the same website on PeoplExpress...I think he even included a picture I sent him of a 747 with a Bob Hope caricature on the tail.
Tom at MSY
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
Recall this one was leased directly from Braniff, though it stayed in the fleet for a short period of time in 79-80. It has the funky "S" logo on the tail and the Southwest name in cursive script on the fuselage.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4212 times:
Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 5): Recall this one was leased directly from Braniff, though it stayed in the fleet for a short period of time in 79-80. It has the funky "S" logo on the tail and the Southwest name in cursive script on the fuselage.
Yep, that was old "Salvage One", named after an Andy Griffith TV show of the time. Whenever it went out a mechanical, it might have as well been on the moon, since the parts always seemed to be at DFW...
Best I ever did on a full turn (155 off, 155 on) was about 13 minutes, IIRC, but one guy in DAL I know did it in 10.
OceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4200 times:
Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 5): Recall this one was leased directly from Braniff, though it stayed in the fleet for a short period of time in 79-80. It has the funky "S" logo on the tail and the Southwest name in cursive script on the fuselage.
Tom in NO From United States, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 55 Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4164 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6): Yep, that was old "Salvage One",
Gotta dig through some photos, but I've got a couple of 406 from the late 80's when she still had the Ultra colors (brown)...took one here at MSY, and another at IAH.
OPNLguy, check your IM's in the next few minutes if you would...
Tom at MSY
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
SWABrian From United States, joined Nov 2007, 176 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4086 times:
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 10): From the BN/SW photo: Braniff aircraft, in trial use by Southwest as part of Anti-Trust settlement.
Anyone know the details of the anti-trust
Braniff tried to put SWA out of business by doing some pretty underhanded things including putting pressure on suppliers to drop us as clients. The airplane lease was part of the settlement.
TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4639 posts, RR: 54 Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3994 times:
Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 4): Some of the oldtimers around here might have to help me out on this one.....there used to be a website that contained articles researched written by an oldtime a.netter, I believe he was from somewhere in Europe. For the life of me, I can't recall his name, username, or the website...but one of the articles on that website IIRC covered Southwest's 727's.
As a fellow 1999er, I can also remember the website. The guy's name was Alain Mengus, however his website (www.Airtransportbiz.com) no longer exists. Maybe you can find something on his website via archive.org.
Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
Type-Rated From United States, joined Sep 1999, 2238 posts, RR: 28 Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3428 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3): To the best of my memory, they had the original BN leather interiors. The aircraft had galleys, and it may have been just the ovens that had been removed, not the entire galleys.
Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 5): Recall this one was leased directly from Braniff, though it stayed in the fleet for a short period of time in 79-80. It has the funky "S" logo on the tail and the Southwest name in cursive script on the fuselage.
I flew on one MSY-HOU in 1983 and the interior was all brown leather, just like BN.
Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
Barney Captain From United States, joined Nov 2001, 552 posts, RR: 16 Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3381 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6): Best I ever did on a full turn (155 off, 155 on) was about 13 minutes, IIRC, but one guy in DAL I know did it in 10.
It was before my tenure, but I was under the impression the 72's were capped at 149 pax/ 3 fa's.....si?
Type-Rated From United States, joined Sep 1999, 2238 posts, RR: 28 Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3017 times:
My question is if they only had the 727 on a trial basis for a short time, was the aircraft operated by a WN crew or a BN crew on loan?
I still remember that flight. A 727-227 in all coach configuration is a long cabin!
Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2891 times:
Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 19): My question is if they only had the 727 on a trial basis for a short time, was the aircraft operated by a WN crew or a BN crew on loan?
During both "tours" at Southwest, the 727s were operated by Southwest crews...
Swacmh From United States, joined Apr 2008, 6 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2686 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6): Best I ever did on a full turn (155 off, 155 on) was about 13 minutes, IIRC, but one guy in DAL I know did it in 10.
If memory serves me right, those were the days when you could have enplaning passengers standing in the jetway or the tarmac while you were deplaning. I've done that a few times while at Eastern.
Barney Captain From United States, joined Nov 2001, 552 posts, RR: 16 Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 908 times:
TN757Flyer From United States, joined Apr 2008, 706 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 778 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 14): Your company should pick up a few 737-800's on a trial basis Smile
WN has had ample opportunity to go with the 738 had they so desired. They seem quite comfortable with the 73G and as fas as it looks, they've no intention on going bigger and I cannot see a justification for it to add less than 20 seats versus the cost of a 4th FA. They just do what they do best, add frequency and give their pax more choices. That way they don't require larger a/c.
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