Exitrowaisle From United States of America, joined May 2000, 257 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6438 times:
In 1983-1985, Southwest operated some 727-200s leased from People Express. They were painted in WN colors, but does anyone know if they had Southwest interiors, or if they kept the PE seats, or Braniff seats (I think they were ex Braniff planes)? Also, based on the window configuration in the database photos, it looks like they still had galleys, but I thought PE removed all the galleys from its planes.
SWABrian From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 289 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6392 times:
I don't know the specific answers to all your questions, but I did an article on WN's 727s in the Airway's Classics Volume 3. http://www.airwaysmag.com/channels.html?article_id=18&channel_id=13 I have seen pictures of the interiors of this batch of 727s and they appear to be the same as the standard WN-737s, minus the lounge areas.
LGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1068 posts, RR: 25 Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6294 times:
I flew on one in 1984 HOU-OKC and it had the same looking interior as the then current 732's did except I don't think it had any rear facing seats. Also the exterior had a standard WN scheme except the colors where off ever so slightly.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6294 times:
Quoting Exitrowaisle (Thread starter): In 1983-1985, Southwest operated some 727-200s leased from People Express. They were painted in WN colors, but does anyone know if they had Southwest interiors, or if they kept the PE seats, or Braniff seats (I think they were ex Braniff planes)? Also, based on the window configuration in the database photos, it looks like they still had galleys, but I thought PE removed all the galleys from its planes.
To the best of my memory, they had the original BN leather interiors. The aircraft had galleys, and it may have been just the ovens that had been removed, not the entire galleys.
Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 49 Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6230 times:
Some of the oldtimers around here might have to help me out on this one.....there used to be a website that contained articles researched written by an oldtime a.netter, I believe he was from somewhere in Europe. For the life of me, I can't recall his name, username, or the website...but one of the articles on that website IIRC covered Southwest's 727's.
I also vaguely recall an article he wrote for the same website on PeoplExpress...I think he even included a picture I sent him of a 747 with a Bob Hope caricature on the tail.
Tom at MSY
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
Recall this one was leased directly from Braniff, though it stayed in the fleet for a short period of time in 79-80. It has the funky "S" logo on the tail and the Southwest name in cursive script on the fuselage.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6166 times:
Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 5): Recall this one was leased directly from Braniff, though it stayed in the fleet for a short period of time in 79-80. It has the funky "S" logo on the tail and the Southwest name in cursive script on the fuselage.
Yep, that was old "Salvage One", named after an Andy Griffith TV show of the time. Whenever it went out a mechanical, it might have as well been on the moon, since the parts always seemed to be at DFW...
Best I ever did on a full turn (155 off, 155 on) was about 13 minutes, IIRC, but one guy in DAL I know did it in 10.
OceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6154 times:
Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 5): Recall this one was leased directly from Braniff, though it stayed in the fleet for a short period of time in 79-80. It has the funky "S" logo on the tail and the Southwest name in cursive script on the fuselage.
Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 49 Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6118 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6): Yep, that was old "Salvage One",
Gotta dig through some photos, but I've got a couple of 406 from the late 80's when she still had the Ultra colors (brown)...took one here at MSY, and another at IAH.
OPNLguy, check your IM's in the next few minutes if you would...
Tom at MSY
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
WNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1208 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6085 times:
155!!!!
Sometimes it's challenging enough to get my service out to 137, nevermind 155!
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
SWABrian From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 289 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6040 times:
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 10): From the BN/SW photo: Braniff aircraft, in trial use by Southwest as part of Anti-Trust settlement.
Anyone know the details of the anti-trust
Braniff tried to put SWA out of business by doing some pretty underhanded things including putting pressure on suppliers to drop us as clients. The airplane lease was part of the settlement.
TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4672 posts, RR: 52 Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5948 times:
Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 4): Some of the oldtimers around here might have to help me out on this one.....there used to be a website that contained articles researched written by an oldtime a.netter, I believe he was from somewhere in Europe. For the life of me, I can't recall his name, username, or the website...but one of the articles on that website IIRC covered Southwest's 727's.
As a fellow 1999er, I can also remember the website. The guy's name was Alain Mengus, however his website (www.Airtransportbiz.com) no longer exists. Maybe you can find something on his website via archive.org.
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Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 49 Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5825 times:
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5515 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5752 times:
L1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1506 posts, RR: 12 Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5565 times:
On August 1, 1984, I flew on a Southwest 727-227 from HOU to MSY. It was N564PE and it had the same seats that Southwest had in its 737s.
Type-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 3514 posts, RR: 24 Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5382 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3): To the best of my memory, they had the original BN leather interiors. The aircraft had galleys, and it may have been just the ovens that had been removed, not the entire galleys.
Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 5): Recall this one was leased directly from Braniff, though it stayed in the fleet for a short period of time in 79-80. It has the funky "S" logo on the tail and the Southwest name in cursive script on the fuselage.
I flew on one MSY-HOU in 1983 and the interior was all brown leather, just like BN.
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Barney Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 616 posts, RR: 17 Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5335 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6): Best I ever did on a full turn (155 off, 155 on) was about 13 minutes, IIRC, but one guy in DAL I know did it in 10.
It was before my tenure, but I was under the impression the 72's were capped at 149 pax/ 3 fa's.....si?
Type-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 3514 posts, RR: 24 Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4971 times:
My question is if they only had the 727 on a trial basis for a short time, was the aircraft operated by a WN crew or a BN crew on loan?
I still remember that flight. A 727-227 in all coach configuration is a long cabin!
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OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4845 times:
Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 19): My question is if they only had the 727 on a trial basis for a short time, was the aircraft operated by a WN crew or a BN crew on loan?
During both "tours" at Southwest, the 727s were operated by Southwest crews...
Swacmh From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 6 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4640 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6): Best I ever did on a full turn (155 off, 155 on) was about 13 minutes, IIRC, but one guy in DAL I know did it in 10.
If memory serves me right, those were the days when you could have enplaning passengers standing in the jetway or the tarmac while you were deplaning. I've done that a few times while at Eastern.
Barney Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 616 posts, RR: 17 Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2862 times:
TN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2732 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 14): Your company should pick up a few 737-800's on a trial basis Smile
WN has had ample opportunity to go with the 738 had they so desired. They seem quite comfortable with the 73G and as fas as it looks, they've no intention on going bigger and I cannot see a justification for it to add less than 20 seats versus the cost of a 4th FA. They just do what they do best, add frequency and give their pax more choices. That way they don't require larger a/c.
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