Exitrowaisle From United States, joined May 2000, 233 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4098 times:
In 1983-1985, Southwest operated some 727-200s leased from People Express. They were painted in WN colors, but does anyone know if they had Southwest interiors, or if they kept the PE seats, or Braniff seats (I think they were ex Braniff planes)? Also, based on the window configuration in the database photos, it looks like they still had galleys, but I thought PE removed all the galleys from its planes.
SWABrian From United States, joined Nov 2007, 105 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4052 times:
I don't know the specific answers to all your questions, but I did an article on WN's 727s in the Airway's Classics Volume 3. http://www.airwaysmag.com/channels.html?article_id=18&channel_id=13 I have seen pictures of the interiors of this batch of 727s and they appear to be the same as the standard WN-737s, minus the lounge areas.
LGA777 From United States, joined Jul 2003, 904 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3954 times:
I flew on one in 1984 HOU-OKC and it had the same looking interior as the then current 732's did except I don't think it had any rear facing seats. Also the exterior had a standard WN scheme except the colors where off ever so slightly.
OPNLguy From United States, joined Jun 1999, 12393 posts, RR: 73 Reply 3, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3954 times:
Quoting Exitrowaisle (Thread starter): In 1983-1985, Southwest operated some 727-200s leased from People Express. They were painted in WN colors, but does anyone know if they had Southwest interiors, or if they kept the PE seats, or Braniff seats (I think they were ex Braniff planes)? Also, based on the window configuration in the database photos, it looks like they still had galleys, but I thought PE removed all the galleys from its planes.
To the best of my memory, they had the original BN leather interiors. The aircraft had galleys, and it may have been just the ovens that had been removed, not the entire galleys.
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Tom in NO From United States, joined Nov 1999, 7193 posts, RR: 55 Reply 4, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3890 times:
Some of the oldtimers around here might have to help me out on this one.....there used to be a website that contained articles researched written by an oldtime a.netter, I believe he was from somewhere in Europe. For the life of me, I can't recall his name, username, or the website...but one of the articles on that website IIRC covered Southwest's 727's.
I also vaguely recall an article he wrote for the same website on PeoplExpress...I think he even included a picture I sent him of a 747 with a Bob Hope caricature on the tail.
Tom at MSY
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Recall this one was leased directly from Braniff, though it stayed in the fleet for a short period of time in 79-80. It has the funky "S" logo on the tail and the Southwest name in cursive script on the fuselage.
OPNLguy From United States, joined Jun 1999, 12393 posts, RR: 73 Reply 6, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3826 times:
Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 5): Recall this one was leased directly from Braniff, though it stayed in the fleet for a short period of time in 79-80. It has the funky "S" logo on the tail and the Southwest name in cursive script on the fuselage.
Yep, that was old "Salvage One", named after an Andy Griffith TV show of the time. Whenever it went out a mechanical, it might have as well been on the moon, since the parts always seemed to be at DFW...
Best I ever did on a full turn (155 off, 155 on) was about 13 minutes, IIRC, but one guy in DAL I know did it in 10.
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OceansWorld From , joined today!, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3814 times:
Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 5): Recall this one was leased directly from Braniff, though it stayed in the fleet for a short period of time in 79-80. It has the funky "S" logo on the tail and the Southwest name in cursive script on the fuselage.
Tom in NO From United States, joined Nov 1999, 7193 posts, RR: 55 Reply 8, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3778 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6): Yep, that was old "Salvage One",
Gotta dig through some photos, but I've got a couple of 406 from the late 80's when she still had the Ultra colors (brown)...took one here at MSY, and another at IAH.
OPNLguy, check your IM's in the next few minutes if you would...
Tom at MSY
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SWABrian From United States, joined Nov 2007, 105 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3700 times:
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 10): From the BN/SW photo: Braniff aircraft, in trial use by Southwest as part of Anti-Trust settlement.
Anyone know the details of the anti-trust
Braniff tried to put SWA out of business by doing some pretty underhanded things including putting pressure on suppliers to drop us as clients. The airplane lease was part of the settlement.
TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4581 posts, RR: 36 Reply 12, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3608 times:
Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 4): Some of the oldtimers around here might have to help me out on this one.....there used to be a website that contained articles researched written by an oldtime a.netter, I believe he was from somewhere in Europe. For the life of me, I can't recall his name, username, or the website...but one of the articles on that website IIRC covered Southwest's 727's.
As a fellow 1999er, I can also remember the website. The guy's name was Alain Mengus, however his website (www.Airtransportbiz.com) no longer exists. Maybe you can find something on his website via archive.org.
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Type-Rated From United States, joined Sep 1999, 1784 posts, RR: 29 Reply 16, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3042 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3): To the best of my memory, they had the original BN leather interiors. The aircraft had galleys, and it may have been just the ovens that had been removed, not the entire galleys.
Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 5): Recall this one was leased directly from Braniff, though it stayed in the fleet for a short period of time in 79-80. It has the funky "S" logo on the tail and the Southwest name in cursive script on the fuselage.
I flew on one MSY-HOU in 1983 and the interior was all brown leather, just like BN.
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Type-Rated From United States, joined Sep 1999, 1784 posts, RR: 29 Reply 19, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2631 times:
My question is if they only had the 727 on a trial basis for a short time, was the aircraft operated by a WN crew or a BN crew on loan?
I still remember that flight. A 727-227 in all coach configuration is a long cabin!
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OPNLguy From United States, joined Jun 1999, 12393 posts, RR: 73 Reply 20, posted (4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2505 times:
Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 19): My question is if they only had the 727 on a trial basis for a short time, was the aircraft operated by a WN crew or a BN crew on loan?
During both "tours" at Southwest, the 727s were operated by Southwest crews...
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