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Flying Dead People, Cargo Planes Only?  
User currently offlineLearjet23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 66098 times:

My neighbour recently lost his wife, and was showing me the bills from the Mortuary.... the statement says his wife was flown via UAL to Chicago. I understood the cargo planes do this kind of thing, certainly not the public aircraft! If I'm wrong I'll never again sleep on a long night flight! Jahesus !! what a creepy thought, sitting just a few feet from a morgue! They must hide this really good, or only do it in the dark of night because I have never seen a coffin being stuffed into a jetliner.

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User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 66106 times:

Human remains are shipped on commercial passenger flights all the time...in broad daylight!!!

Sleep tight!


User currently offlineOMA2FAI2SAV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 66108 times:

We regularly took off Human Remains off of Delta aircraft when I worked in SAV. It happens all the time. Not something you usually think about when you are watching your movie huh??

Jason in KBMI


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 66090 times:



Quoting Learjet23 (Thread starter):
I understood the cargo planes do this kind of thing, certainly not the public aircraft!

No. Regular scheduled flights daily, around the world and across the nation.

Quoting Learjet23 (Thread starter):
If I'm wrong I'll never again sleep on a long night flight! Jahesus !! what a creepy thought, sitting just a few feet from a morgue!

Unfortunately, you are wrong. The deceased are transported all across the country. I deal with them a couple times a month. Either picking up or receiving them. Its not creepy, its just a person, not an alien being.

Quoting Learjet23 (Thread starter):
They must hide this really good, or only do it in the dark of night because I have never seen a coffin being stuffed into a jetliner

Its usually not a coffin, but an air tray:



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User currently offlineNightFlier From United States of America, joined May 2004, 284 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 66068 times:

Caskets are always put on passenger airplanes. Almost every airline I have dealt with requires the casket be to be with in an airtray. The airtray is always marked with the words HUMAN REMAINS, the persons name, flight number, origin, and destination. Most people are with in caskets, but on a few occasions I have received them in alternate containers. One of the most difficult countries to send a person to is Italy.  Wink


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 66056 times:



Quoting NightFlier (Reply 4):
One of the most difficult countries to send a person to is Italy

Another funeral director told me that the other day. Why is that?



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User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1571 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 66044 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 3):
Its usually not a coffin, but an air tray:

Which, as someone already mentioned, generally has a casket within... although we once received one on a flight I worked in BNA for DL that was just in a body bag inside the tray.

Also, the US military always sends an escort with soldier's remains, so if you ever see a uniformed soldier loitering at the end of the bag belt, that's probably what's on the plane.

But yeah, when I worked the ramp in BNA we got at least one a week on average... had a couple give some guys hernias, too.



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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 66037 times:

I use to routinely load HR's on DL fMD-88 flights to ATL and CVG. Wasn't uncommon to get a couple each week. I even accidentally dropped one off of the belt-loader one day and you could hear the body "thud" as it shifted, and all the passengers were watching from inside the aircraft or in the terminal at the gate! So only dropped a dead guy once, but like I said, loading them onto commercial flights was a routine occurrence. When remains would come in on a night flight, we'd offload them into a baggage cart and drive them over to spend the night in the freight warehouse until the morgue could come during business hours the next day.

Until the last year or two, dead soldiers being sent home from abroad were regularly flown in the cargo holds of commercial aircraft. Military honor guard, and an accompanying officer would be on the ramp to pay their respects as a body was loaded off the planes.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 66022 times:

Do they need to be embalmed before they go? I'd imagine that for some bodies, even a few hours on a hot, humid tarmac would make a mess of them.

User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 66023 times:



Quoting Learjet23 (Thread starter):
what a creepy thought, sitting just a few feet from a morgue!

Or, in the case of our fallen men and women in uniform who are coming home from the battlefield, you might instead think it was a comforting thought or an honor to accompany them home to their families. I accompanied a classmate home from al-Udeid, Qatar a few years back after an accident took his life. I didn't find it the least bit "creepy".


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 66022 times:



Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 6):

Correct, I dont know why I said what I did (long day :P) But you are correct. I never understood why the HR must be air trayed AND casketed. I think an airtray would be fine. The casket sure doesnt help with weight...



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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 65995 times:

I know FX will occasionally take a body, but it's not something we advertise...Too much special handling...

FXRamper-is that considered Hazmat?  Wink



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User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 65987 times:



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 7):

Correct. They would come home to the U.S., in the case of coming home from Iraq or Afghanistan, through Dover on a C-17 or C-5. From there they would be transported via commercial airlines home to their final resting place. American had even designed a specific conainer for these heroes: http://www1.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/MI57641/

Recent legislation has changed the policy so that fallen U.S. service members are now returned to their families aboard charter jets.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 65971 times:



Quoting LawnDart (Reply 1):
Human remains are shipped on commercial passenger flights all the time

AMS is one of the few airports with its own mortuary facility. Excerpt below:

Amsterdam Airport Schiphol is one of the few airports which has a fully operational mortuary, capable of handling up to 40 bodies. On average the mortuary deals with approximately 2000 bodies per year, about 60 % of which are in repatriation or transit to foreign places of burial and 40% returning to the Netherlands.


There have been many threads on this subject if you do a search. One fairly recent one:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3763857/


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 65954 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
Amsterdam Airport Schiphol is one of the few airports which has a fully operational mortuary, capable of handling up to 40 bodies.

Wow! That is a huge facility. The largest i've seen can handle 5-6 at once. And to think that it is probly used to that extent rather often.



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User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 65946 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
Do they need to be embalmed before they go?

Yes.




I've seen the container in the picture from Cadet57's post frequently. And when you see a solider escort there, as said above it is a military casuality. Always a little uncomforting. I one time flew PHL-ATL on DL and a body was loaded in the door right underneath my 1D seat, a little bit of a spooker, but I took a moment to thank the military for my freedom and was glad to be where I was.



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User currently offlineNightFlier From United States of America, joined May 2004, 284 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 65941 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 5):

Italy has strict guidelines. It also very expensive in regards to what must be done.

The person must be embalmed

The death certificate must be translated to Italian

Their must a be letter from the medical examiner stating that the person has not died of any communicable diseases and that must be translated into Italian.

Person must be with in a sealed casket

A letter must be written by the funeral director describing how the outer container was built, and what it is made of.

There must be an approval from the Italian consulate, and sometimes they will X -Ray the person who has died.

When finished the outer container, the casket, and person who has died can weigh up to 400 lbs.

I believe I got it all, yet their are other documents such as passports, naturalization papers, and many more which are needed. The process can take up to a week sometimes depending what day of the week it is, and if the person dies around a holiday.

 Yeah sure

Peace NF



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16865 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 65927 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 12):
Correct. They would come home to the U.S., in the case of coming home from Iraq or Afghanistan, through Dover on a C-17 or C-5. From there they would be transported via commercial airlines home to their final resting place. American had even designed a specific conainer for these heroes: http://www1.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/MI57641/

Recent legislation has changed the policy so that fallen U.S. service members are now returned to their families aboard charter jets.

They are done via Kalitta Falcon 20 jets from Dover, it's sad looking at the flights on flightaware from Dover to cities big and small all over the country knowing they are brining home a brave American service member who gave their life for their country.



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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 65932 times:

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 6):
Also, the US military always sends an escort with soldier's remains, so if you ever see a uniformed soldier loitering at the end of the bag belt, that's probably what's on the plane.


The military has quit sending the HR's of soldiers via commercial airlines. The military now contracts Kalitta Air freight to fly all the HR's from the military mortuary at Dover Air Force Base, Delaware to their respective resting places in their home cities. They now have several of their planes temporarily based at DOV for this contract work. They use Dassault Falcon 20's.

Esquire magazine had an great story this month following the process of deceased soldiers being shipped home from abroad. Part of it went into detail about Kalitta's involvement with flying the HR's out of Dover AFB. It can be read at the link below. However, it's a long article with eleven pages. For those who just want to read the part dealing with the Kalitta flying, skip to page five.

I'm not one to get emotional, but it was quite a moving piece if I may say so myself! Worth reading the whole thing!

http://www.esquire.com/features/things-that-carried-him

Quoting CatIII (Reply 12):
Correct. They would come home to the U.S., in the case of coming home from Iraq or Afghanistan, through Dover on a C-17 or C-5.

According to a recent article I read, a bunch are also being flown to Dover on chartered 747 freighters from Ramstein AFB, Germany where they previously arrive on USAF metal. Evergreen Freight is one of the civilian operators I know to be flying 747's into Dover with HR's. I even read they'll occasionally get a 747 arriving into DOV that's only carrying two or three HR's as it's entire payload!

Quoting Learjet23 (Thread starter):
They must hide this really good, or only do it in the dark of night because I have never seen a coffin being stuffed into a jetliner.

Oh, there's all kinds of things flying in the cargo hold under the passengers feet. A lot worse things then a dead body. I know Delta accepts venomous snakes for shipment as DASH air freight. Or how about all the horse, dog, cow, and every other kind of sperm laboratories and breeders ship? I use to load that on to flights as well. Even saw a live Alligator come in on a DL 757 one time! Plenty of hearts, lungs, eyes, and livers being shipped for transplant as well. I even loaded a brain one time going to the CDC in Atlanta for dissection or some other kind of research!

[Edited 2008-04-23 19:38:01]

User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 65902 times:



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 18):

I read that same article. It was very well done.

This is another great article on the history behind the policy change: http://wwww.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070407/news_1n7bodies.html


User currently offlineTb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1597 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 65859 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 12):
Recent legislation has changed the policy so that fallen U.S. service members are now returned to their families aboard charter jets.



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 7):
Until the last year or two, dead soldiers being sent home from abroad were regularly flown in the cargo holds of commercial aircraft. Military honor guard, and an accompanying officer would be on the ramp to pay their respects as a body was loaded off the planes.



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 18):
I'm not one to get emotional, but it was quite a moving piece if I may say so myself! Worth reading the whole thing!

http://www.esquire.com/features/thin...d-him

The Esquire article is a very well done article. I've been spreading the word for people to read it. I am one of the KFS pilots doing this flying as some of you may know. I am not the one quoted in the article but I am the one in the picture on the right outside the airplane. It was very well done in my opinion and was very hard for me to read. I just flew my 155th fallen home the other day. After reading the entire article, it was hard to grasp that there are 155 more stories just like that from just guys I have taken home to their families with thousands of lives changed.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 17):

They are done via Kalitta Falcon 20 jets from Dover, it's sad looking at the flights on flightaware from Dover to cities big and small all over the country knowing they are brining home a brave American service member who gave their life for their country.

If you look below at my signature, it shouldn't be hard to figure out where I have been. We get special priority from all ATC with flights ending in 99. It's quite moving when day after day we get ATC folk wishing for us to pass along their condolences to the families. We have even had a couple ask about the Esquire article, glad people are reading it. Too much election news, not enough real world news right now. Well worth the read.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16865 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 65800 times:



Quoting Tb727 (Reply 20):
If you look below at my signature, it shouldn't be hard to figure out where I have been.

My sincerest thanks and appreciation to the Kalitta and Dover folks who do this job with such respect and dignity, you guys are doing a tough job with the utmost professionalism.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 65790 times:



Quoting NightFlier (Reply 4):
Almost every airline I have dealt with requires the casket be to be with in an airtray. The airtray is always marked with the words HUMAN REMAINS, the persons name, flight number, origin, and destination.

I've done a few with silver bullets, you know those aluminum shipping caskets. But it wasn't a typical situation, usually we where flying people back to town who died to have what needed to be done done.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
Do they need to be embalmed before they go? I'd imagine that for some bodies, even a few hours on a hot, humid tarmac would make a mess of them.

That is the usual procedure but like I said we where flying people to town to the funeral home or the state medical examiner office.

One of the worst days I had at work was transporting a person I knew, who had killed himself the day before and his dad to the airport to catch a plane to town to be embalmbed. I had to meet his dad down at the town dock and help his dad and his uncle pull his shipping casket out of the fish hold of the uncles boat and take both him and dad to the airport. Since that fish hold was refridgerated he was frozen by the time we got him out of the boat.

It is a unique experience to fill out a shipping form for somebody you know. I am just glad the cargo lead went ahead and got dad to sign the freight bill and collect the money. I was really nervous about having to do that.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 65772 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 10):
The casket sure doesnt help with weight...

With DL it doesn't make any difference as far as the charge goes. They pay a flat fee based on where they are going.

In SLC we had quite a few a day and being a hub, our freight runners would just transfer them from flight to flight if they were going beyond SLC.



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User currently offlineTb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1597 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 65769 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 21):
My sincerest thanks and appreciation to the Kalitta and Dover folks who do this job with such respect and dignity, you guys are doing a tough job with the utmost professionalism.

Thank you very much, it means a lot. It is an absolute honor for all of us to be able to do this for these guys. I'm definitely doing it for the families, this way is much better and more dignified way than the old way.



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25 FlyHoss : Well said. I always felt honored - and humbled - to be able to carry "Fallen Soldiers" to their home. I'm pleased (though not surprised) to learn tha
26 TxAgKuwait : I am trying to recall a very bad situation my dad told me about, Vietnam War era. Dad was with Trans-Texas Airways (TTa, later Texas International, no
27 DALMD88 : Warning, this is a political rant. I wish these flights could come to an end. I'm glad the military has gone to these charter flights. I'm a line mec
28 Antoniemey : I once worked an MD-88 where the front bin was infested with crickets. And then there's the mail loads of live chicks... one time some idiot in ATL l
29 DocLightning : In my job, "I know this patient and don't feel comfortable treating them" is considered a "no-questions-asked" excuse to not do a given job. I'm upse
30 GARUDAROD : Almost the exact same regulations for Indonesia as well except the sealed metal coffin must be placed in a solid wooden outer crating. Very heavy to
31 JetJeanes : Just be careful with a forklift around them..I saw this year ago at nwa, I dont think Dhl,fedex or ups take any human remains unless its an urn from w
32 Wjcandee : I didn't realize that the New York area was such a consumer of live crickets; in the suburbs, there seem to be plenty of them chirping away in the wo
33 N766UA : We had at least one HR every day when I used to work at DAL, and we were an outstation. We used to have to climb all around them in the tiny MD bins,
34 Someone83 : Why? Did you think that some magic force could bring the person back to life or the dead person starting walking around in the airplane?
35 DALMD88 : I don't think the change in policy came about form the family for four going to Disney. It might have been if every captain held the policy of the fal
36 N27UADIESEL8 : Hi AA61Hvy: Human remains are not hazmat but they have to flight with all the papers that are needed to wherever country they are being sent to. JetJ
37 L-188 : Don't be. There where about five of us at this station and I wasn't the last person in line.
38 Pilotboi : Well I think it's been clearly pointed out that HRs fly under passengers all the time, so I'm not here to answer the original post, just give some my
39 IAirAllie : Nothing creepy about it. Death is a natural part of the lifecycle. We're all going to be dead at some point. Not like the body is suddenly going to re
40 FlyASAGuy2005 : In the business, and out of respect, it's called human remains. It's VERY common for HR's to fly commercial and its actually not that expensive. Work
41 Rampguy : Last week onboard Delta flight # 962/ ATL-IND, there was a military human remains of a soldier that had died, get this, December 31, 1953 in Vietnam.
42 Bongodog1964 : Definite requirement for Internation repatriation; not always for domestic. Definitely need a coffin/casket inside the airtray, unless you are a risk
43 LTBEWR : The use of commercial flights for the transport of HR's is probably the best and in most cases the only practical way to do so. We don't have passenge
44 ImperialEagle : Here in the US, human remains are also transferred in "Combo-Paks" that do not include a casket or coffin. The remains are usually dressed in undergar
45 YWG747 : Last I heard, bodies get flown on passenger flights all the time. I buddy of my was a baggage handler and he had to but a few caskets on commerical fl
46 CosmicCruiser : Many years ago I used to pick up bodies in a Cessna 206. The hearse would bring them to the airplane, transfer them to a stretcher, no casket, in the
47 Tsnamm : Continental has a special desk Airline Mortuary Service to book and track all HR shipments system wide...protocal on the ramp and cargo is that HR's a
48 United_Fan : Kalitta has brought fallen soldiers to ROC to Lears from DOV in the recent past.
49 Post contains links B6MoneyGuyJFK : I've actually read an article about the mortuary shipper getting miles or vouchers for every x number of shipments of remains made on one airline or a
50 Mayor : From the article: "Delta Air Lines Funeral directors can accrue miles by charging shipments to their American Express SkyMiles cards." This must be s
51 Speedbird2263 : You are a very brave man my friend. That's spacial disorientation 2.0
52 NYC2TLV : El Al Israel Airlines has a policy of using its flights from JFK to TLV for transporting the deceased to Israel. But it strictly adheres to a policy o
53 Mayor : True story. When I worked DL cargo at ORD, not long after I hired on in '71, we had a very strange occurence one night. When we came into work, there
54 FlyDeltaJets : HR is not HAZMAT or DG it is Must Ride though
55 Pilotboi : Not really.... And I'll add a personally story to this....I was in the bin and I had just finished moving an HR onto the belt loader to off load it.
56 EXMEMWIDGET : Back in my Delta days, it was always fun trying to get an HR in or out of a DC-9. The shipping trays usually were not very bad because of the reduced
57 Bongodog1964 : Exactly Its my personal reputation on the line, and the future of my business. No proper coffin, no repatriation by my company
58 Tb727 : They are Dassault Falcon 20's. The Lears are too small.
59 AS777 : Up here in Alaska, things are done differently. I have a few buddies that work in AS and Penair Cargo. HR from the "bush" is transported in metal cont
60 United_Fan : I stand corrected.. we had a couple over the winter come in here
61 Tb727 : Oh it's ok, we just like to stay separated from "those Lear guys" lol. We love our Falcons.
62 Av8rdal : And if Italy is on holiday, you can go ahead and push back that burial from July until September !
63 Mayor : And if it's connecting thru ATL, it may take that long, anyway!
64 Xtoler : Things must have changed since I was in, then again, I was in back in the early '90's. The only "military" escort I saw with human remains was the de
65 Xtoler : I hate to sound crytpic and have a back to back deal on this subject. That's how we transported bodies in military transfer cases. It works really we
66 Post contains images Brianhames :
67 Boacvc10 : I am impressed by the sensitivity of the posters in this thread, hats off to you all with respect and prayers for the departed who have to be shipped
68 Flyboy36y : They carry dead people all the time, in the passenger cabin, no less. They dress 'em up as flight attendants so that nobody will notice. Ok, the above
69 Xtoler : Yeah, I think so. It's sort of hard when you have to deal with it on a failry normal basis. For all the mortuary affairs guys, especially all the mili
70 FalconBird : Airlines have been shipping bodies for many, many years, and probably will for some time to come. This is nothing new.
71 Jayspilot : I have see human remains of snow birds are off loaded from Delta's nonstop flights from TPA, FLL, PBI, and MCO to BDL on a regular basis all winter lo
72 United_Fan : Thanks for the link to the Esquire article,fascinating and very moving.....
73 QFYVR : Here at YVR philippines airlines moves many bodies back to the MNL for burial they are often strapped to pallets or pallet stacks. In the spring it pi
74 Luv2cattlecall : You wouldn't happen to know if the officer lives in Port Orange, would you? If so, he's my neighbor - the poor kid had a heart condition.
75 NightFlier : Or if they go on strike. I once waited 3 weeks to send someone to Italy because Alitalia went on strike. Try explaining that one to a family.
76 Pilotboi : I believe so. I would have imagined that either the airline, of even the person/place sending it would rearrange to have it shipped on another airlin
77 FlyASAGuy2005 : Wow. I always choke a bit when I see this shot. Most AMC flights are operated by charter companies...flight crew are private citizens.
78 United_Fan : I have also read that one of the reasons DL uses mainline into DAB is HR's....I also think everyone should read that Esquire article.
79 Fleet Service : I remember when I worked at JFK the SJU and SDQ flights were always transporting remains back to native soil for interment. It was always an adventure
80 Post contains links United_Fan : I found this a while back,too... http://www.customairtrays.com/
81 Post contains images Gulfstream650 : Why would someone want to walk around wearing this:
82 Mayor : Kind of reminds me of an episode of WKRP in Cincinnati back in the 70's. They were trying to get a new account from a funeral home. One of the funera
83 Post contains links Mayor : http://video.aol.com/partner/hulu/wk...k/Bqmolje-iycGtebqHjT3HNgw3zTzLQMo
84 AAH732UAL : Sick story, but about 20/30 years ago my mom was working a flight. She found out about a TWA flight that had this sorta problem. A older couple had be
85 ExFATboy : I agree in theory, the problem was the inconsistency of handling. The dedicated service used now ensures that our soldiers are treated with dignity a
86 United_Fan : Exactly,for someone who gave the hightest of sacrifices,its the least the government can do..
87 GARUDAROD : My experience with PR at LAX is that there are H/R's on almost every flight, sometimes two or three on the aircraft
88 Pilotboi : Never thought about that, but I'd believe it. We've never gone to all RJs, and even this summer we have all RJs except one 88 turn-around and one 88
89 Post contains links Viscount724 : Transporting human remains is easier once they become skeletons. http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article...?in_article_id=117854&in_page_id=2
90 Learjet23 : Uh, excuse me... but does Greyhound take visa? This is some very grotesque chit! What if some ragged boney hand comes up from the casket hold while yo
91 TIMEAIR : Alot of mention about Boeing, MD and Airbus, and few RJ comments, however, where I am we see an average of 2-3 a week in summer season using our DH8 a
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Libyan Arab To Order 29 Pax/cargo Planes posted Mon Dec 11 2006 19:14:45 by Jimyvr
Cargo Planes And Turbulence posted Wed Mar 1 2006 01:06:16 by TK787
Cargo Planes Collide Over Wisconsin posted Mon Feb 6 2006 04:11:36 by ImperialEagle
Nose Loading Cargo Planes How Important? posted Fri Jan 13 2006 02:09:40 by JAM747