Joeljack From United States, joined Feb 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6955 times:
Decided to start a new thread. I posted on the other F9 thread but I feel like it's gonna warrant a new one. Only check some cities but here you go, if you want to check you own city go to:
ShannoninAMA From , joined today!, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6940 times:
Quoting Joeljack (Thread starter):
DEN-IND goes to 5x319, one being an overnight flight leaving at 1235am arriving at 5:03am.
Toss another flight in the fire for the four-way DEN-IND wars. Looks like F9 wants control of this route. UA is sitting back on its heels, WN is still "testing the waters" per say, and NW is still poised to start their summer nonstops IND-DEN. I see each airline getting their "Piece of the cookie", but not a big enough piece to turn a profit.
Almost makes me think of a mini-version of the luxury market NYC-LON. Oversaturation sorts itself out eventually.
DTWAGENT From United States, joined Jan 2006, 1081 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6906 times:
I wonder if they are going to start doing some vacation packages (like Apple,Funjet ect) out of IND to Mexico? That would be one reason for the overnight flight. Other then that I don't understand why they would do that. F9 needs to take a good hard look at their cities they are servicing and decide if they make money or not on them. If not then they need to drop that city like a rock and put that aircraft on a city pair that is making money for them.
ShannoninAMA From , joined today!, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6812 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 4):
Frontier doesn't want "control" of any route.
Nitpicking on my choice of "control"? I almost used Dominance if that makes it better. What other objective would they be shooting for in a market that is oversaturated like this?
All I see is a bloodbath scenario where airlines are trying to outlast each other rather than make money. Then again, that could be said for the entire industry right now I suppose..
Boeing743 From United States, joined Jun 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6780 times:
I am surprised that F9 are offered 5 flights as one of route usually to be used by F9 Republic Airlines and guess with contract not renew so A319 would replace flight that are used by Republic Airlines. I am surprised that they would leave DEN after midnight to IND on short 2 1/2 hrs flight. I am not sure if it is smart thing to do on that route.
I guess we will have to keep our eyes and ears peeled to see how all of 4 airlines would do with that routes and cost of fares. I think that F9 would do just fine with 4 daily flights.
WorldTraveler From United States, joined Aug 2003, 4769 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6762 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 4): Quoting ShannoninAMA (Reply 1):
Looks like F9 wants control of this route.
Frontier doesn't want "control" of any route.
oh please. After looking at this schedule, their credit card processor will be demanding 100% holdbacks.
There is no conceivable way F9 can make it given the horrendous competitive assault that is being thrown at them in DEN and the astronomical fuel prices.
It is very hard to believe F9 can make it through the summer; living into the fall is a pipe dream.
Spencerii From , joined today!, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6763 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 4): What do you think Mr. Menke has been doing this last six months?
mariner
Exactly, and I do believe he is doing just that, although the IND frequencies are interesting. Perhaps Mr Menke is setting F9 up to proactively send/receive feed through IND with Airtran to points SE of IND- mainly into Florida.
MSYtristar From United States, joined Aug 2005, 4489 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6744 times:
Too many cooks spoil the broth. Good for IND consumers, bad for profits of the airlines flying the route. Seems like too much competition on a relatively thin (492 pax/day) market. But, the planes have to go somewhere I guess.
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 10104 posts, RR: 76 Reply 12, posted (4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6729 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7): oh please. After looking at this schedule, their credit card processor will be demanding 100% holdbacks.
Hello - that happened. Or rather - it didn't happen.
Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 6): I am surprised that they would leave DEN after midnight to IND on short 2 1/2 hrs flight. I am not sure if it is smart thing to do on that route.
It worked great for them on DEN-DTW last summer, which is not that much further.
Both words imply a concern for market share. Under Mr. Menke, Frontier is revenue driven, not market share driven.
So if they aren't aiming for market share, what warrants adding another flight when many already consider the market oversaturated?
I find it hard to believe they are filling 4 A319's daily alongside 3 (soon to be 4) other airlines operating the same route. On another note..I wonder how much traffic WN will be able to siphon from the other three carriers?
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 10104 posts, RR: 76 Reply 14, posted (4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6640 times:
Quoting ShannoninAMA (Reply 13): So if they aren't aiming for market share, what warrants adding another flight when many already consider the market oversaturated?
Presumably, because they believe they can make money.
Was about to edit my post for that Meant to say something along the lines of this:
If they truely believe they can pull a profit in a tough market such as this, then who are we to stop them? Heck, we can't stop them anyway. I'll gladly grab a seat and watch how this ends up.
Shan (Who is beginning to think she is better suited for Non-Av)
MSYtristar From United States, joined Aug 2005, 4489 posts, RR: 51 Reply 19, posted (4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6588 times:
Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 6): I am surprised that they would leave DEN after midnight to IND on short 2 1/2 hrs flight. I am not sure if it is smart thing to do on that route.
Other airlines have in the past flown redeye flights with similar or less stage lengths....AA, for example, from cities like PHX, ELP,
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Meant to say something along the lines of this: