ShannoninAMA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10191 times:
Quoting Joeljack (Thread starter):
DEN-IND goes to 5x319, one being an overnight flight leaving at 1235am arriving at 5:03am.
Toss another flight in the fire for the four-way DEN-IND wars. Looks like F9 wants control of this route. UA is sitting back on its heels, WN is still "testing the waters" per say, and NW is still poised to start their summer nonstops IND-DEN. I see each airline getting their "Piece of the cookie", but not a big enough piece to turn a profit.
Almost makes me think of a mini-version of the luxury market NYC-LON. Oversaturation sorts itself out eventually.
DTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10157 times:
I wonder if they are going to start doing some vacation packages (like Apple,Funjet ect) out of IND to Mexico? That would be one reason for the overnight flight. Other then that I don't understand why they would do that. F9 needs to take a good hard look at their cities they are servicing and decide if they make money or not on them. If not then they need to drop that city like a rock and put that aircraft on a city pair that is making money for them.
Boeing743 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10031 times:
I am surprised that F9 are offered 5 flights as one of route usually to be used by F9 Republic Airlines and guess with contract not renew so A319 would replace flight that are used by Republic Airlines. I am surprised that they would leave DEN after midnight to IND on short 2 1/2 hrs flight. I am not sure if it is smart thing to do on that route.
I guess we will have to keep our eyes and ears peeled to see how all of 4 airlines would do with that routes and cost of fares. I think that F9 would do just fine with 4 daily flights.
Spencerii From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10014 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 4): What do you think Mr. Menke has been doing this last six months?
Exactly, and I do believe he is doing just that, although the IND frequencies are interesting. Perhaps Mr Menke is setting F9 up to proactively send/receive feed through IND with Airtran to points SE of IND- mainly into Florida.
MSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9995 times:
Too many cooks spoil the broth. Good for IND consumers, bad for profits of the airlines flying the route. Seems like too much competition on a relatively thin (492 pax/day) market. But, the planes have to go somewhere I guess.
Both words imply a concern for market share. Under Mr. Menke, Frontier is revenue driven, not market share driven.
So if they aren't aiming for market share, what warrants adding another flight when many already consider the market oversaturated?
I find it hard to believe they are filling 4 A319's daily alongside 3 (soon to be 4) other airlines operating the same route. On another note..I wonder how much traffic WN will be able to siphon from the other three carriers?
I'm seeing GEG at 3x 319's. Flight 309 departing DEN at 0835, 304 departing DEN 1235 and 308 departing DEN 2130. I was talking with the F9 station manager today in GEG and she was saying there is a possibility of going 4 daily during the summer as well but said she wouldn't have an answer on that one for a few weeks. Though with UA also offering 3x daily I highly doubt it will happen.