Airborne1 From United States, joined Feb 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 23798 times:
Word on the secret underground is that United Airlines and US Airways may be in talks to merge, and may even announce their plans as early as TODAY. Other reports say that they're waiting on union approval and could postpone an announcement in early May.
I know we've all been speculating about whether any other legacy carriers were going to merge after the Northwest and Delta deal got rolling; many believed that Continental and United were next in line, especially with Continental's suspicious postings on their new website, co-industryconsolidation.com.
Perhaps that's not the only deal in motion though? United and US Airways, two airlines that have faced particular hardship over the last few years could well-benefit from the consolidation of their services. Both are in the same airline alliance and have numerous domestic hubs that could directly compete with the the new Northwelta.
Keep an eye on the news and UAUA today. Again, this is all still speculation but big news could on it';s way. finally
What do you think of this? Everyone at UAL thinks CAL.....
Where did you hear this? I haven't seen anything that would suggest UA and US are in anything more than just "talks." US doesn't give UA anything that CO already has. Plus, CO has a much better LatAm and transatlantic presence. US missed their opportunity last year when both NW and DL were in bankruptcy. They should have made a bid for NW, not DL. Besides, why would UA need both LAS and PHX? They're redundant in UA's network, they already have SFO and LAX. Also, PHL is a chaotic mess, BOS and PIT have already been downsized big-time and the Northeast is simply not the goldmine it once was. Even the shuttle has taken a pounding over the last five years!
EXAAUADL From United States, joined Jun 2006, 3256 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 23787 times:
This is the best thing that could happen to CO and AA. It will essentially freeze them out of the merger mess. DL/NW might go smoothly, but UA/US wont. It will be a worse disaster than it would have been had it occurred back in 2000
AA and CO are now free to throw sand inthe gears of NW/DL and US/UA, demanding slots, gates, for instance AA looks like a winner in DCA. I cant see a disorganized UA being able to fight WN both in PHX and DEN.
DL/NW has the advantage of being able to close hubs, but what will UA/US close? PHX and LAS I suppose. So all UA gets is CLT. PHL/IAD will be a problem to rationalize......
Winners: AA and CO and WN
Undetermined: DL and NW
Losers: UA and US
EXAAUADL From United States, joined Jun 2006, 3256 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 23668 times:
Quoting Airborne1 (Thread starter): United and US Airways, two airlines that have faced particular hardship over the last few years could well-benefit from the consolidation of their services
this is an absurd statement, sounds like a statement either from top mgmt or their lackies in the know-nothing media
STT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 9812 posts, RR: 39 Reply 4, posted (4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 23609 times:
It will be CO/UAL, US brings nothing complimentary.
CO's Micronesian Network ties in perfectly with UAL's Narita hub.
CO is the largest carrier in the NYC market
CO's IAH hub is a International Powerhouse, and the Houston economy is booming right now helping offset some of the pain of high oil prices as Houston is benefiting from the current price of oil.
"makes much more sense to live in the present tense"
EXAAUADL From United States, joined Jun 2006, 3256 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 23503 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 4): It will be CO/UAL, US brings nothing complimentary.
one problem with your assumption. What is CO isnt desperate to merge? UA and US are desperate for a partner. UA cant force CO to merge with them (the CO shareholders might) but a forced get together will be ugly.
LAXintl From United States, joined May 2000, 8482 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 23453 times:
This is much in response to a research paper published by JP Morgan on Wednesday which gave a positive review of a United takeover/merger with US Airways.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
EXAAUADL From United States, joined Jun 2006, 3256 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 23431 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6): This is much in response to a research paper published by JP Morgan on Wednesday which gave a positive review of a United takeover/merger with US Airways.
How many share of UA/US does JP Morgan of their large clients own?
DTW757 From United States, joined Oct 2003, 1076 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 23291 times:
Quoting Airborne1 (Thread starter): Word on the secret underground is that United Airlines and US Airways may be in talks to merge, and may even announce their plans as early as TODAY.
Ah the best source for imformation like this. I heard a rumor last week that today there would be a big announcement about the MQ divestiture but I'm still waiting. Gasoline is in short supply, rice and wheat are apparently now in short supply and airline rumors........well let's just say there are plenty of them to go around.
STT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 9812 posts, RR: 39 Reply 10, posted (4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 23254 times:
This reminds me of the speculation that DL was actually going to merge with UAL instead of NWA up untill the Official announcement of DL/NWA occured, CO/UAL is the most likely out come.
"makes much more sense to live in the present tense"
FriendlySkies From United States, joined Aug 2004, 3555 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 23258 times:
This would be so incredibly awful isn't not even funny. Think the current US and UA have labor issues? I don't even want to think about what a mess this would create...
DeltAirlines From United States, joined May 1999, 5943 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 23173 times:
If this merger goes through and Dougie is running the show, then I won't even bother trying to make elite on United this year. I've already left US due to their anti-Frequent Flyer policies. There's no reason to think he wouldn't implement these on UA.
Might need to do a Gold or Platinum challenge on AA soon.
LAXintl From United States, joined May 2000, 8482 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 23167 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 7): How many share of UA/US does JP Morgan of their large clients own?
According to their disclosure, they state neither the analyst involved in the document own LCC or UAUA shares while JPMorgan does not have beneficial ownership >1% in or provide investment banking to either company.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Surfrider1978 From United States, joined Jan 2008, 292 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 23114 times:
Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 12): This would be so incredibly awful isn't not even funny
It's the perfect storm for disaster and I think it is hilarious.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6): This is much in response to a research paper published by JP Morgan on Wednesday which gave a positive review of a United takeover/merger with US Airways.
Well I guess people are into the business of throwing away good money these days.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 4): It will be CO/UAL, US brings nothing complimentary.
CO's Micronesian Network ties in perfectly with UAL's Narita hub.
CO is the largest carrier in the NYC market
CO's IAH hub is a International Powerhouse, and the Houston economy is booming right now helping offset some of the pain of high oil prices as Houston is benefiting from the current price of oil.
Hopefully not. UA is a clusterf**k of an operation and would kill everything CO has built in it's name and reputation.
Rbgso From United States, joined Jun 2006, 296 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 23020 times:
Quoting Airborne1 (Thread starter): Word on the secret underground is that United Airlines and US Airways may be in talks to merge, and may even announce their plans as early as TODAY
We can only hope. This is the best news the airline industry has received in years. When these two boat anchors join forces the resulting collapse and liquidation will remove a lot of excess capacity from the market.
This is a prime example of two wrongs certainly not making a right......
RFields5421 From United States, joined Jul 2007, 1190 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 22969 times:
Quoting Airborne1 (Thread starter): Other reports say that they're waiting on union approval and could postpone an announcement in early May.
US and HP have yet to work out the union issues from their merger.
Investors are not happy that US is basically running as two separate airlines without most of the promised savings from the merger held up because the union agreements have not been obtained.
US merging with anyone else would only make the situation worse and investors more unhappy - unless of course the deal was to pay off all the US investors with cash so they could take their money out of airlines.
But this is a strange time and who knows what could happen.
LAXdude1023 From United States, joined Sep 2006, 2966 posts, RR: 10 Reply 18, posted (4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 22933 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2): This is the best thing that could happen to CO and AA.
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2): Winners: AA and CO and WN
Undetermined: DL and NW
Losers: UA and US
Spot on EXAAUADL. Personally I would rather this happen because AA and CO are my airlines of choice and I care nothing about UA or US (outside of the people and their jobs, which would be a shame it this happens). Bigger isnt better. It can be, but it doesnt mean a thing. CO one of the smaller carriers and they have the best reputation and one of the more profitable situations.
If this does happen both carriers will be dead in a matter of time.
Airborne1 From United States, joined Feb 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 22905 times:
Here is the article : Trust me... The employees of United only want CAL.. I work for UAL and almost dropped out of my chair when i saw this. I really believe it when it comes from Financial or WallStreet. We've all been trick before
and at UAL we just can't wait until this merge is out. So we can plan our next future with CAL or no future with USAIR.. http://www.gadling.com/2008/04/25/ru...irways-could-announce-merger-soon/
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