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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 732 posts, RR: 15
Posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

For those who were wondering/speculating where the 3 daily LGA slots AA was using for LGA-MSP were going...

Effective 6/1 Eagle will add...

1x Daily LGA-CID - New Market

2x Daily LGA-RDU -- For a total of 8x Daily

Not very imaginative and I was hoping for more, but I think the extra LGA-RDU flights are place holders until something better comes along.

AJMIA


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22863 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7083 times:

If DSM-LGA can support both 9E and MQ, I suspect CID can support MQ. RDU is a disappointment; I was hoping for MCI (on mainline).


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21501 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7044 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):
Not very imaginative and I was hoping for more, but I think the extra LGA-RDU flights are place holders until something better comes along.

Yep. Use em or lose em, and 2 more ERJs just makes the whole slot system that much more screwed up.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7039 times:
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haha..................CID??? Yeah right.


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User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7021 times:

I thought one slot was going to a 4th LGA-MEM on mAAinline...

User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 732 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6975 times:



Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 4):
I thought one slot was going to a 4th LGA-MEM on mAAinline...

That could quite possibly happen. I think the extra LGA-RDU flights are just slot holders.

If AA really wanted to utilize the LGA slots they could upgrade LGA-RDU to 4x daily mainline and use the other four slots for new markets.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6968 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):


2x Daily LGA-RDU -- For a total of 8x Daily

And stuff like that is why LGA and the East Coast as a whole is so screwed up.

How many total frequencies go between RDU and NYC in a day, and how many of those are RJ's?


User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6882 times:

Interesting...

I would have expected LGA-MCI, LGA-IND, or another LGA-ATL


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6848 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):
1x Daily LGA-CID - New Market

What about the open FNT-LGA slot? That would be my guess where this one is coming from.


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6830 times:
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Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):
1x Daily LGA-CID - New Market



Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):
Not very imaginative and I was hoping for more, but I think the extra LGA-RDU flights are place holders until something better comes along.



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 3):
haha..................CID??? Yeah right.

LGA-CID isn't imaginative? What is? More LGA-ORD flights?

The weekday market is actually over 100 pax a day in each direction, so filling up a full ERD wouldn't even have to capture half the market. CID is a fairly high yielding market as well (no LCC's except G4 which is useless to LGA obviously).



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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2281 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6829 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 3):
haha..................CID??? Yeah right

well certainly is interesting, you may laugh now, but CID does well for AA, with service to 3 hubs (DFW, ORD, STL), and we have been pushing thru 1 million pax over the past few years. Could be a good way to bypass ORD on the way to the east coast. I know I am excited! I may have to try this flight out.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2281 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6789 times:

by the way when will these flights be bookable? Just checked AA's website and they don't appear to be loaded yet.

User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9327 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6746 times:



Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 10):

AA has actually increased out of Cedar Rapids in recent years.

There's lots going on in Cedar Rapids ... the plane should have no problems bringing in the dollars.

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 7):
I would have expected LGA-MCI, LGA-IND, or another LGA-ATL

They'd need a few slots in order to make Indianapolis work.



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User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2272 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6571 times:



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 6):
How many total frequencies go between RDU and NYC in a day, and how many of those are RJ's?

There are currently 39 weekday flights between RDU and JFK/LGA/EWR. Six of them are operated on mainline a/c (1 MD-80, 2 737s and 3 E-190s) and three are operated on props (DH4s). The remaining 30 flights are on RJs.

AA: 16 (7 to LGA, 5 to JFK and 4 to EWR). 15 ERJs, 1 MD-80 (to LGA).

DL: 7 (3 to JFK and 4 to LGA). All CRJs/ERJs.

US: 6 to LGA. All CRJs.

CO: 7 to EWR. 2 737s, 3 DH4s, 2 ERJs.

B6: 3 to JFK (soon to be 4). All E-190s.

And believe it or not, it's still not enough capacity. I wish AA would fly at least one mainline between JFK and RDU, they could also use another MD-80 on LGA-RDU.



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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 732 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6443 times:



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 9):
LGA-CID isn't imaginative? What is? More LGA-ORD flights?

I was referring to the LGA-RDU flights. Sorry for the confusion, but I was expecting more.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9327 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6340 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Reply 14):

it's not imaginative but it's good thinking.



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User currently offlineSFOQQAA From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 96 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

I don't want to go off topic, but this is somewhat related. Are the airlines required to fill the slots immediately after they go unused? Reason I ask is that AA is also pulling some frequency to ORD and MIA over the summer but month to month, flight to flight. Can they keep the slot open for 30 days and then bring the flight back? Just curious.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22863 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6201 times:



Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 13):
There are currently 39 weekday flights between RDU and JFK/LGA/EWR.

Assuming AA is just trying to squat on slots, it seems like there would have been better options than RDU. Somewhere like BNA isn't a much longer flight and there's much less competition. I wonder if there really is more to it than simply using the slots.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11522 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6183 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
Assuming AA is just trying to squat on slots, it seems like there would have been better options than RDU.

I agree that may have been more inventive or better options that Raleigh, but ...

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
Somewhere like BNA isn't a much longer flight and there's much less competition.

... Nashville wouldn't be one of them.

Nashville is actually already getting a boost this summer - it is getting a fourth daily flight on a 737, but the route is all-mainline, so it doesn't need RJs.


User currently offlineSFOQQAA From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 96 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6182 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
Assuming AA is just trying to squat on slots, it seems like there would have been better options than RDU. Somewhere like BNA isn't a much longer flight and there's much less competition. I wonder if there really is more to it than simply using the slots.

Actually, AA just added a 4th daily MD80 to BNA a few weeks ago.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22863 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6167 times:



Quoting SFOQQAA (Reply 19):
Actually, AA just added a 4th daily MD80 to BNA a few weeks ago.

Yup, and I still think if you need to fly 2 ERJs to SOMEWHERE just to keep the slots, BNA would be a better option than RDU... the cities are about the same size and yet RDU has, by my count, somewhere in the neighborhood of 60% more daily seats before this addition. Of course, I can think of a half-dozen cities east of the Mississippi that would have been interesting options for NEW LGA service, but that's another story.



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User currently offlineTN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6148 times:



Quoting SFOQQAA (Reply 19):
Actually, AA just added a 4th daily MD80 to BNA a few weeks ago.

Actually Commavia is correct, it's a 738.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11522 posts, RR: 61
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6103 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
the cities are about the same size and yet RDU has, by my count, somewhere in the neighborhood of 60% more daily seats before this addition.

This summer, Raleigh will actually - amazingly - be getting about one third less capacity than Nashville. Raleigh has far more flights - 11 versus 4 - but 10 of the 11 to Raleigh will be on 37-seat RJs, whereas all 4 of the Nashville flights are on mainline MD80s and 737s.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
Of course, I can think of a half-dozen cities east of the Mississippi that would have been interesting options for NEW LGA service, but that's another story.

Indeed.

I still personally think that the best investment would have been to restart Kansas City with 2x daily MD80s - well-timed for morning and evening departures eastbound and westbound.

Failing that, I could also have seen them trying Indianapolis 3x daily, or possibly even doing 1x daily each from LaGuardia down to Savannah, Charleston, etc.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7536 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6093 times:



Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 4):
I thought one slot was going to a 4th LGA-MEM on mAAinline...

AA only flies one daily LGA-MEM on an ERJ according to AA's website.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11522 posts, RR: 61
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6084 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 23):
AA only flies one daily LGA-MEM on an ERJ according to AA's website.

It's actually 2x daily except Saturday (1x).


25 Cubsrule : Agreed Agreed again. I was also thinking of JAX... a bit bigger than Charleston or Savannah, but also more competitive. On AA, yes, but you don't hav
26 TN757Flyer : I don't think size matters. The majority of RDU business traffic is RTP (or whatever it's called now) bound, something Nashville doesn't have anythin
27 Cubsrule : Believe me, I'm not arguing that BNA needs more NYC service. I'm simply arguing that if AA needs to put 2 MQ flights to LGA on an existing route, BNA
28 FlyPNS1 : AA just abandoned JAX-LGA last year. It was flown 1x daily with an ERJ. If AA really wanted to have a chance on this one, they'd have to up the frequ
29 Cubsrule : Agreed; at 3x, they'd be competitive with DL to LGA, which is IIRC at 4x.
30 TN757Flyer : Pre-9/11 I think, AA had 6x daily BNA-LGA flights, 3 mainline, 3 MQ. The three Eagle went away and we're just now getting back a fourth mainline. It
31 Tornado82 : RDU-NYC needs LESS frequency, bigger jets. NO market needs 39 anything, period. A perfect example of why we have the airspace issues in NYC. 6/39 main
32 Cubsrule : Nonstop service doesn't stimulate demand if no one knows about the service...
33 ERJ170 : Just a little something to think about.. Post 9-11, the US government mandated that companies in NYC could not have their corporate and operational HQ
34 Cubsrule : If there's all this nascent demand, though, why not upgrade some of the flights? AA certainly has the (mainline) narrowbody capacity.
35 TN757Flyer : Yes, I believe I pointed that out in my original post. The first time they got real publicity was the Valentine's Day massacre when one the the inbou
36 Commavia : While I could be wrong, I don't think LGA-BNA has had more than 3-4 daily mainline flights since the mid 1990s when the hub closed. I believe that ev
37 Sxf24 : That is false.
38 Tango-Bravo : Which further proves the point... The legacies clog up already congested airspace with 11 flights that could have instead served more people with 4 f
39 Cubsrule : ATC should, at the least, be able to get planes that have slots at slot-controlled airports in and out of their airports. Can't blame this one on AA,
40 Commavia : The reason our ATC system is in disarray is not just because Eagle has 10 RJs per day flight LGA-RDU. High-frequency scheduling is partly to blame, b
41 Lexy : They still feed traffic into RDU for the London flight so that may explain why there is larger numbers at RDU. Outside of the Research Triangle, why
42 TN757Flyer : While off on my dates, I did verify that AA indeed operated 6x daily BNA-LGA flights, albeit after 9/11 and not before as I thought. According to the
43 Lexy : US has mainline here.
44 Cubsrule : To New York?
45 Lexy : LOL!! I wish! My apologies because I misunderstood your quote.
46 TN757Flyer : Those extra 1,000 pax to/from NYC would not connect from RDU to London. I don't know what the numbers are, but it's been my understanding from other
47 Tango-Bravo : Indeed. However, legacy airlines that clog congested airspace with more RJs in place of fewer mainline types, who insist on scheduling flights based
48 Exaauadl : Id' like to see AA in LGA-RDU be a 4x daily with MD-80s, no RJs ditto US 4 EMB-190s. The RDU-EWR Eagle flights are just a waste. Are the EMB-135s? The
49 Lexy : Yeah, I think I remember seeing that as well now that you mention it, but I highly doubt it. I'm sorry, but you can't tell me that a plane the size o
50 Cubsrule : Low yielding fluff from New York and Chicago certainly puts butts in the seats on the London flight, but it doesn't appreciably affect service levels
51 MSYtristar : Not just at BNA my friend, although I do feel your pain. It wasn't too long ago when the WN CEO himself said "MSY is a priority for us". Some priorit
52 FlyDeltaJets87 : Ft. Bragg (right in Fayetteville, NC, but RDU is the closest major city) Seymour Johnson AFB (same with Ft. Bragg. In Goldsboro, NC but RDU is closes
53 Cubsrule : It's got a different economic engine, though (banking rather than biotech). Obviously, the Charlotte economy isn't all banking just as the Triangle e
54 Lexy : I agree. But the topic isn't about yields, but rather traffic.
55 FlyPNS1 : But in the case of LGA, the airport is simply overscheduled. Even with the best, most technologically advanced system in the world, most of the delay
56 Cubsrule : If airlines have acquired the slots legitimately (i.e. on the open market), though, this is a really tough sell. Why shouldn't AA be able to use the
57 FlyPNS1 : They should be able to use them wherever. But if the FAA comes through and strips 10% of the slots from all carriers at LGA (as I believe they should
58 TN757Flyer : Lets not forget RTP has a sizable amount of UK company employed people, so not all those butts in those seats are coming from this side of the pond.
59 Cubsrule : AA most certainly sells (low-yielding) tickets on ORD-RDU-London, so it's not as farfetched as you think. Nonetheless, the RDU-London flight makes mo
60 TN757Flyer : Agreed. There's simply far too many 50 and less seaters for the NYC airspace, and LGA is as culpable in this as JFK. I agree, but the FAA says they p
61 Cubsrule : There's not really any discussion necessary. There's a profit guarantee and anyone that AA can throw on the RDU flight to free up seats for higher yi
62 TN757Flyer : So, you continue to talk about it? Your point is taken, thank you. I assume mine is too. I've been in an airline family my entire life, I think I kno
63 Cubsrule : I'm not sure why you think I've been rude to you, but to the extent that I have, I certainly apologize. The only reason I said that there wasn't any
64 TN757Flyer : Not going to debate ya anymore bud. You seem to want to rebut my posts on a number of threads. Thats fine. I've twice the experience on you but that'
65 Cubsrule : That's what we're here for, no?
66 FlyDeltaJets87 : A) My post laid out reasons for the traffic. B) Yields are more important than traffic. If AA can make more money operating an ERJ from RDU to LGA wi
67 Cubsrule : Why are RJs at LGA inherently bad, though? I'll grant you that they are used on routes on which they are inappropriate, but at least 4 carriers (US,
68 ConcordeBoy : Mandated? Any corroboration for such? Quite a bit of other traffic comes in to take advantage of the lower fares as well as open up seats in higher y
69 Tango-Bravo : If there is anyone/anything that can out-convolute the U.S. legacy airlines, it's the U.S. governement and since... Maybe the legacies could prevail
70 MSYtristar : MSY-LGA on AA was canned earlier this month. I guess they are sticking with the "seasonal" service.
71 Cubsrule : I wonder if we could ferret out the "good" 50 seater flying from the "bad" 50 seater flying with a congestion pricing scheme that looked like this...
72 Lexy : I personally think you've wasted $25.00 on a membership here. I have seen you debate, and rebutt people on a number of threads with an attitude that
73 Cubsrule : I won't pass judgment on the viability of these... I'm just listing some more ideas Markets with no AA/MQ presence to LGA BUF SYR RIC ORF CAE BHM Mar
74 ERJ170 : Sorry for the mistake then.. it was something that I was told when I went for an interview at Credit Suisse.. they said they were told to seperate th
75 FlyDeltaJets87 : I'm not saying RJ's are inherently bad, which is why I don't want the government flat out limiting the number of RJs at LGA or banning them altogethe
76 TN757Flyer : It'll be interesting to see what the FAA does with this. This will put restrictions on all three NYC airports again. The reverse landing fees are a go
77 CIDflyer : still not seeing anything on AA.com does anyone know what the flight times will be and when it will be loaded?
78 Cubsrule : The 767 can operate into LGA... DL just doesn't want to do it. I don't think new schedules got loaded last night, for whatever reason. The new JAX-MI
79 Tornado82 : If that's all it took to drum up traffic, DAY would have RJ's to every city within range too thanks to Wright-Patt. The college myth again. That work
80 ConcordeBoy : ....so then, it's scheduled to return??
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