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AA Eagle Finally Dumps DAL-AUS/MCI  
User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 734 posts, RR: 15
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5927 times:

Effective 7/2 American Eagle will exit the DAL-AUS and DAL-MCI market.

On the same day Eagle will begin DAL-ORD with 6x daily flights (except weekends 4xJ & 5xS).

Overall I think this is a good move and I believe the ORD service will do much better then MCI and AUS. I imagine AA will have to add a few more flights at DAL to hold on to the gates.

AJMIA


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User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5921 times:

ABOUT F'IN TIME! I think this is a great move...perhaps a chance of providing a good service that they can make money on and people are willing to pay for!

User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 757 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5908 times:

I was hoping this would happen. AA will now use DAL to their advantage and go to places from DAL that WN cannot go to until 2014. Hopefully if the ORD flights do well then they can add places like MIA or LAX...


I don't think this will create much impact on their DFW-ORD flights...



Mason



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5888 times:



Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 2):
Hopefully if the ORD flights do well then they can add places like MIA or LAX...

They don't have a Wright-legal aircraft capable of it without heavy restrictions unless they signed on with ExpressJet to bring 145XR's.


User currently offlineKochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5877 times:

Eagle has some waste of a regional type routes like ord to champaign that takes about 2 hours to drive there or to moline/quad cities or to madison and milwaukee. Come on! The fares are hundreds of dollars too! at least on orbitz within 3-6 weeks of planned departure. For a 2 week advance purchase RT to Champaign (kcmi) to Kord, it costs about $800!
Does this make sense?


User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 757 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5846 times:



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
They don't have a Wright-legal aircraft capable of it without heavy restrictions

The MQ ERJ-145's are not Wright-legal?


Mason



Northwest Airlines. Now your flying smart!
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5825 times:



Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 5):

The MQ ERJ-145's are not Wright-legal?

They are. But they're basic 145 LR's. They're not going to make it into the winds towards LAX (especially on a hot day at DAL) nor to/from MIA (gotta go the primarily overland "long way" not the straight line across the Gulf) without weight restrictions. In this fuel market the last way to make money is to fly an RJ restricted to something like 41 pax.

The 145XR would be much more capable of DAL-LAX, DAL-MIA but the 145XR is exclusive to only ExpressJet.

MQ's CRJ-700's are capable as well, but they're not Wright-legal.


User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5792 times:



Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 4):
For a 2 week advance purchase RT to Champaign (kcmi) to Kord, it costs about $800!

They are not aimed at the O&D market. Try pricing something like LHR-ORD-Champaign compared with LHR-ORD and you'll see the reason for the flight. It's often much easier for someone to connect airside at ORD, especially to/from an international flight, compared with fighting their way through that 2hrs (or 4 at rush hour) of traffic.

AA min published fare ORD-LHR currently: $239++
AA min published fare CMI-ORD-LHR currently: $452++

For many people, that's a very reasonable difference.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2349 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5717 times:



Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 4):
Eagle has some waste of a regional type routes like ord to champaign that takes about 2 hours to drive there or to moline/quad cities or to madison and milwaukee. Come on! The fares are hundreds of dollars too! at least on orbitz within 3-6 weeks of planned departure. For a 2 week advance purchase RT to Champaign (kcmi) to Kord, it costs about $800!
Does this make sense?

you have to remember, as stated above, these flights are for connecting purposes. Obviously people in MLI, MKE, MSN, CMI etc are probably not using these flights to get to Chicago, they are using them to connect at ORD to go on to places like LAX, MIA, LGA, BOS, Europe, Asia, Mexico, etc etc.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11831 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5685 times:

I hate to say I told "them" so, but I've been calling for this change for months! (As have many others, I know.)  Smile

I think that while this will definitely require higher per-flight fuel consumption, the unit revenue Eagle will get on DAL-ORD will far exceed anything they'll ever get on DAL-AUS or DAL-MCI up against more flights, bigger planes and better service on Southwest.

Smart move.


User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5512 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 9):
I hate to say I told "them" so, but I've been calling for this change for months! (As have many others, I know.)  

Yes Sir you have!

This also eliminates the need to repo flights in between DAL & DFW. What a waste of money that was!



DCA
User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2476 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5459 times:

About time... I flew DAL-AUS on a ERJ-145 and we were 4 passengers on the flight!!!
The MQ CSA working the flight was shocked after she saw my itinerary DAL-AUS-DFW-MEX. I just told her I was too lazy to drive to DFW... she just laughed!!


User currently offlineSkyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5381 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):
On the same day Eagle will begin DAL-ORD with 6x daily flights (except weekends 4xJ & 5xS).

I remember when mainline AA flew that route in the late '90s, I believe, with specially configured F100s.


User currently offlineVIflyer From US Virgin Islands, joined May 1999, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5363 times:



Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 4):
Eagle has some waste of a regional type routes like ord to champaign that takes about 2 hours to drive there or to moline/quad cities or to madison and milwaukee.

Not waste, there is logic behind it.. ORD-CMI is so frequent mainly due to the fact the CMI (Flightstar) does contract MX on the RON aircraft (only phase checks). As for MSN, it might on paper be only 2:20 drive but add in the parking lot that I90 becomes past the Des Plains oasis it's a hassle. Same for MKE. There are very, very, very, very few O/D pax on those flights, it's mainly connections.

Vi



I reject your reality and subsitute my own
User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3859 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5242 times:



Quoting SkyguyB727 (Reply 12):
I remember when mainline AA flew that route in the late '90s, I believe, with specially configured F100s.

Funny you should mention that. At the bottom of this page is another link to a thread from 8 years ago.

April 19, 2000 - AA To Cancel DAL-AUS In Order To Start DAL-ORD/LAX

Deja vu

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11831 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5239 times:



Quoting SkyguyB727 (Reply 12):
I remember when mainline AA flew that route in the late '90s, I believe, with specially configured F100s.

Slight correction: the AA mainline flights DAL-AUS, which started with much fanfair back around 1999, I believe, were actually flown with ordinary MD80s and Fokker 100s in regular configuration.

AA operated 14 flights per day on the route initially.

It was only when AA decided to start flying outside the Wright Amendment area that it needed to use specially-configured Fokkers with 56 seats.


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3859 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5205 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 15):
the AA mainline flights DAL-AUS, which started with much fanfair back around 1999, I believe, were actually flown with ordinary MD80s and Fokker 100s in regular configuration.

Correct - except the service actually began August 31, 1998. Here's the old Dallas Business Journal article

I personally think this is good news for AUS. I've heard in the past that AA would like to add more flights at AUS but they're short on gate space. By eliminating the 8 daily AUS-DAL departures that should free up some gate space for AA. Hopefully any new AA service out of AUS will carry more than the handful of passengers per flight that the AUS-DAL flights did.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11831 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5195 times:



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 16):
I've heard in the past that AA would like to add more flights at AUS but they're short on gate space.

Yes, AA is very short of gate space at AUS, as is everybody. The airport is at maximum capacity.

AA made the decision after 9/11 to give up one of their gates, which was then turned around and given to JetBlue within a matter of months. Now, AA is forced to use another gate that is all the way at the end of the concourse - quite a distance from AA's other four gates.

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 16):
By eliminating the 8 daily AUS-DAL departures that should free up some gate space for AA.

I'm hoping they'll add back at least 1 or 2 MD80s to DFW. They're now down to just 15 mainline flights up to DFW - whereas just a few years ago it was 18. Now I understand that AA is shrinking, and that's fine, but even just 1 more flight to DFW would help - they are always full, and while the AUS-DAL flights were usually only 25% full, there will definitely now be more people moving onto those AUS-DFW flights.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23203 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5161 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 9):
I think that while this will definitely require higher per-flight fuel consumption, the unit revenue Eagle will get on DAL-ORD will far exceed anything they'll ever get on DAL-AUS or DAL-MCI up against more flights, bigger planes and better service on Southwest.

 checkmark And if they decide to start something (anything) else at DAL, this means the end of the ferry flights between DFW and DAL which get less attractive as fuel gets more expensive.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineMQTmxguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5101 times:



Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 4):
Eagle has some waste of a regional type routes like ord to champaign that takes about 2 hours to drive there or to moline/quad cities or to madison and milwaukee. Come on! The fares are hundreds of dollars too! at least on orbitz within 3-6 weeks of planned departure. For a 2 week advance purchase RT to Champaign (kcmi) to Kord, it costs about $800!
Does this make sense?

Lemme tell ya what I know, one of the RON aircraft I work on every night flies MQT-MKE-ORD. This flight is basically impossible to non-rev on to ORD as it is always full and often overbooked on the MKE-ORD segment (in addition the MQT-MKE segment has been doing very well ever since YX pulled out of here). GRB-ORD is also doing pretty well. So there must be value to operating these short hops. As noted above, it's all about the price vs. convenience



Well at least we can all take comfort in the fact that NW will never retire their DC-9s
User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 4078 times:



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 2):
Hopefully if the ORD flights do well then they can add places like MIA or LAX...


They don't have a Wright-legal aircraft capable of it without heavy restrictions unless they signed on with ExpressJet to bring 145XR's.

What are you talking about, XJT?? The route will be flown by Eagle aircraft currently in the fleet.

We were updated on this in an memo (a paper one) at work on Wednesday.

AA hasn't farmed out any AE flying yet.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23203 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 4076 times:



Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 20):
What are you talking about, XJT?? The route will be flown by Eagle aircraft currently in the fleet.

AA doesn't have the equipment to fly DAL-LAX or DAL-MIA. XJT does. That's all he was saying.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 3992 times:



Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 20):
What are you talking about, XJT?? The route will be flown by Eagle aircraft currently in the fleet.

We were updated on this in an memo (a paper one) at work on Wednesday.

AA hasn't farmed out any AE flying yet.

XE is the only regional to operate the 145XR. Nobody was saying that AA was going to use XE as regional feed. Just that MQ's 145's don't have the "legs" to operate those flights without restrictions.



Meanwhile, somewhere 35,000 ft above your head...
User currently offlineCrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 800 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3789 times:
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Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 20):
This flight is basically impossible to non-rev on to ORD as it is always full and often overbooked on the MKE-ORD segment (in addition the MQT-MKE segment has been doing very well ever since YX pulled out of here).

Glad to hear the MQT-MKE flight is doing well as it provides additional frequency and capacity for MKE-ORD bringing us up to 6 (MKE-ORD) flights a day now. Although this addition is probably why we lost our 5th MKE-STL flight, I'm praying for the day we get back up to where we were before the TWA acquisition (something like 8 or 9 ORD daily) since for the most part STL is crap when it comes to connection times.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23203 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3773 times:



Quoting CrAAzy (Reply 23):
Although this addition is probably why we lost our 5th MKE-STL flight,

That probably has to do with reallocation of ERJ capacity from STL to MIA.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
25 PSU.DTW.SCE : You could argue that the TSA flying that will move into MIA will be farmed-out Eagle flying. Granted its pull-down from STL moving to MIA to then mov
26 Cubsrule : Total MQ capacity is staying the same. That's a tough argument...
27 PSU.DTW.SCE : I agree. Its not as if Eagle is loosing any aircraft or net flying. I do know some of the Eagle folks though are claiming that MIA was "their" flying
28 Tornado82 : Thanks for explaining that. The point is that MQ's 145LR's would take horrible range/payload restrictions on DAL-MIA (because of lack of overwater to
29 Super80DFW : How is AA going to hold on to their 3 gates if they are operating 6 flights a day? Will WN have a problem with that?
30 Commavia : AA is actually only holding on to 2 gates - that's all they're allowed under the new agreement. And as for Southwest, I doubt they'll split hairs. Th
31 Super80DFW : So we wouldn't maybe see another airline at Love? I was thinking maybe UA or DL would be interested in it if it would be open.
32 Commavia : It would not be practically possible unless of the 3 airlines included in the "Five Party Agreement" agreed to sublease a gate to the new entrant - w
33 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Good news Commavia - The local NBC affiliate here in Austin had a story on this and they mentioned Even though the American Eagle service will be pul
34 Knope2001 : I like how the story describes the dropped Austin flights as service to Kansas City with a quick stop at Dallas Love. AUS-DAL was the target market, a
35 LoneStarMike : I know what you mean - ie all the gates are leased, but technically the airport is not at maximum capacity. The 2000 Competition Plan mentions 10 dep
36 Commavia : Honestly, JetBlue's present schedule is almost too much for one gate - there is just no way they'll be able to get 8 flights out of one gate after th
37 LoneStarMike : I think you've got your concourses mixed up Gates 15-25 (AA, B6, UA, US, CO, F9 and YX Express is the West Concourse. I'm talking about concessions i
38 Commavia : Sorry, been a long day already ... Once again - it's been a long day. I meant they badly want 19 back!
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