Jasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 613 posts, RR: 2 Posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7835 times:
Hi guys,
I am trying to figure out if I can do a redeye flight from the East Coast to the West Coast on UA flight.. does anyone know what the latest flight I can catch on UA from the East Coast that will take me to California early in the morning the day after? (not midnight arrival)
Jaybird From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 116 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7821 times:
Coastal redeye flights run eastbound - west to east. Not the other way around. When you fly west you're flying into earlier time zones - it works against you.
HAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2467 posts, RR: 53 Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7789 times:
Most East-West flights (i.e. JFK-LAX) are scheduled at about 6:15 block time. Since the west coast is three hours behind the east, your clock time on arrival is about 3:15 after you left. Therefore, if you left at midnight, you'd arrive at LAX at 3:15am. For a 7am arrival, you'd have to leave at about 3:45am, and I don't know anyone who schedules flights at that time of the night, except maybe FedEx or UPS.
HAL
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N104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 889 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7397 times:
Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 3): Thanks for the replies guys.. I was hoping I could get a later flight than UA009 BOS-SFO that departs at 9PM and arrives at 1241am.
Or try UA 171 it leaves at 0600 and arives at 0923 if you want to get there in the morning
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Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10192 posts, RR: 62 Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7397 times:
Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 3): Thanks for the replies guys.. I was hoping I could get a later flight than UA009 BOS-SFO that departs at 9PM and arrives at 1241am.
Your best bet would probably be US through LAS - they have a departure out of BOS after 2000 that connects to a 2359 LAS-SFO flight, getting you there at 0140.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21488 posts, RR: 24 Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6834 times:
Quoting HAL (Reply 2): Most East-West flights (i.e. JFK-LAX) are scheduled at about 6:15 block time. Since the west coast is three hours behind the east, your clock time on arrival is about 3:15 after you left. Therefore, if you left at midnight, you'd arrive at LAX at 3:15am.
In propeller days east coast to west coast redeyes were common as the longer flight time offset the time zone issue. Even in the early jet years some carriers had a few late departures from the east coast, often with intermediate stops, that arrived at LAX/SFO in the middle of the night.
For example, in 1962 TWA had a daily 707 JFK-ORD-LAX-SFO that departed JFK (then IDL) 2300, arrived ORD 0005, LAX 0230, SFO 0418.
In 1955, TW had a daily nonstop L1049G Super Connie IDL-SFO departing IDL 2330, arriving SFO 0505. Another L1049G operated IDL-MDW-LAX departing IDL at 0030, arriving MDW 0235 and LAX 0620. Both of those flights had sleeping berths available in first class at a surcharge. In the same timetable TW had about 5 other daily overnight east coast to west coast flights with various intermediate stops. UA and AA schedules were probably fairly similar.
Jasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 613 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6809 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7): n 1955, TW had a daily nonstop L1049G Super Connie IDL-SFO departing IDL 2330, arriving SFO 0505. Another L1049G operated IDL-MDW-LAX departing IDL at 0030, arriving MDW 0235 and LAX 0620. Both of those flights had sleeping berths available in first class at a surcharge. In the same timetable TW had about 5 other daily overnight east coast to west coast flights with various intermediate stops. UA and AA schedules were probably fairly similar.
That's a long flight! During those days I supposed they cruised at flight level < 30,000, noh? But with meals and friendlier crew I don't think I would mind taking these flights.. How much did it cost them to fly from DC to LAX in the late 50's?
I tried looking up the photo of Super Connie but I can't seem to find one. Do you have a link to it's photo? or is it called something else?
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21488 posts, RR: 24 Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6693 times:
Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 8): Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
n 1955, TW had a daily nonstop L1049G Super Connie IDL-SFO departing IDL 2330, arriving SFO 0505. Another L1049G operated IDL-MDW-LAX departing IDL at 0030, arriving MDW 0235 and LAX 0620. Both of those flights had sleeping berths available in first class at a surcharge. In the same timetable TW had about 5 other daily overnight east coast to west coast flights with various intermediate stops. UA and AA schedules were probably fairly similar.
That's a long flight! During those days I supposed they cruised at flight level < 30,000, noh?
20,000 ft. was a more typical maximum crusing altitude for propeller aircraft, possibly slightly higher but not much.
Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 8): How much did it cost them to fly from DC to LAX in the late 50's?
TWA includes their fares in the 1955 timetable mentioned above. DCA-LAX (and SFO) one way then was $98 coach (then called "Tourist" class) and $149 first class, plus 10% federal tax. (Fares from NYC were $99 and $158.) There were no other taxes/fees/fuel surcharges then. Round trip was twice one way except there was a 5% discount in first class only. There was also a special coach excursion fare for $160 round trip (plus 10% tax) valid Monday-Thursday only (maximum stay 30 days). That fare was the same from NYC/PHL/BAL/DCA to both LAX/SFO.
Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 8): I tried looking up the photo of Super Connie but I can't seem to find one.
There are many photos in the database. Just look for Lockheed in the Aircraft Type box on the search screen and then scroll to "Constellation/Starliner". All the Connie models are in the same section. Here are a few Super Connies, including the final and longest-range model, the L1649A Starliner (last photo).
VC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 960 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4956 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7): For example, in 1962 TWA had a daily 707 JFK-ORD-LAX-SFO that departed JFK (then IDL) 2300, arrived ORD 0005, LAX 0230, SFO 0418.
In 1955, TW had a daily nonstop L1049G Super Connie IDL-SFO departing IDL 2330, arriving SFO 0505. Another L1049G operated IDL-MDW-LAX departing IDL at 0030, arriving MDW 0235 and LAX 0620. Both of those flights had sleeping berths available in first class at a surcharge. In the same timetable TW had about 5 other daily overnight east coast to west coast flights with various intermediate stops. UA and AA schedules were probably fairly similar.
W-O-W! Fascinating! Thanks for providing this info.
Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 10):
What is that spherical thing that is attached at Qantas' wingtip?
Looks like an extra fuel tank.
I woulda said it looks more teardrop-shaped, but Jasp25 is right--it was a "tip tank." Rather attractive piece of kit on the Constellations, I've always thought.
Jasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 613 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4741 times:
Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 12): I woulda said it looks more teardrop-shaped, but Jasp25 is right--it was a "tip tank." Rather attractive piece of kit on the Constellations, I've always thought.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4665 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9): TWA includes their fares in the 1955 timetable mentioned above. DCA-LAX (and SFO) one way then was $98 coach (then called "Tourist" class) and $149 first class, plus 10% federal tax.
That's only $1650 RT in coach and $2375 RT for F adjusted for inflation.
Today, unrestricted Y on the same route is $1880 on UA, and F is $3000 on some flights, $2100 on others (not sure why...)
But you do get there a lot faster.
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21488 posts, RR: 24 Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4077 times:
Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 12): Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 10):
What is that spherical thing that is attached at Qantas' wingtip?
Looks like an extra fuel tank.
I woulda said it looks more teardrop-shaped, but Jasp25 is right--it was a "tip tank." Rather attractive piece of kit on the Constellations, I've always thought.
The wingtip tanks were a distinctive feature of the L1049G, although they frequently operated without them (they could be removed fairly easily). On most routes that weren't at the limits of the 1049G's range the tip tanks just added unnecessary weight. Note the AF and AI 1049Gs in the photos don't have them installed.
The final L1649A Starliner was designed to be able operate nonstop between the U.S. west coast and Europe. It didn't have tip tanks but had a completely new wing with much greater span (150 ft. vs. 123 ft.on earlier Connies/Super Connies). The new wing also carried almost 50% more fuel (9600 gal.) than the 1049G without tip tanks (6545 gal.). With tip tanks the 1049G held 7750 gal.
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1887 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4041 times:
When I read the title I thought this was about UA stopping transcontinental flights and I was wondering what was going on. I guess not. So where are you leaving and where are you going to? I doubt there would be any red-eye flights going east to west though. You probably have to get up earlier to catch an early morning flight.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3880 times:
Quoting Msypi7185 (Reply 17): Or you could fly WN. Some of their routes, by the time you make 5 - 7 stops you may be able to arrive in the early morning..
WN doesn't do scheduled overnight flights.
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Jawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3381 times:
Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 3): Thanks for the replies guys.. I was hoping I could get a later flight than UA009 BOS-SFO that departs at 9PM and arrives at 1241am.
Just to be a nit pick, that is the JFK-SFO flight. The latest BOS-SFO flight is I think at 18:10 .
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1887 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3350 times:
So are you leaving BOS? Why not check out AA, DL, or (your best bet) B6? They will have plenty of flights for you to take.
N702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3281 times:
Quoting Msypi7185 (Reply 17): Or you could fly WN. Some of their routes, by the time you make 5 - 7 stops you may be able to arrive in the early morning.
Ummmm....those days are long gone. Most coast-to-coast flights require just two legs on WN these days. Or maybe you already knew that.....
Jasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 613 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3156 times:
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 22): So are you leaving BOS? Why not check out AA, DL, or (your best bet) B6? They will have plenty of flights for you to take
I am taking JFK-LAX at 7P. I tried to find the latest flight as much as possible from AOO-FAT with the most miles I could get. I will consider AA, DL, and B6 on my next flight but right now I am a few segments short from being an elite member of UA miles so that's why I am taking their flights.
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