I can see the airline charging Tango customers, but Plus customers??? AC nickel and diming customers, I keep losing respect for them.
Bear in mind please that they are just following suit, as is generally the case with the airline industry. I believe there were five US airlines that beat them to the punch on this one. As oil continues to skyrocket - so do ways to offset the cost. Hold on to your hat, I'm sure Westjet is next.
Gpbcroppers63 From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 516 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5865 times:
I do realise that it's hard for you guys in North America to come to terms with all of this but in my opinion you've all had it far too good for far too long. Here in Europe, most of us are used to one bag weighing 20kg as being the standard. On many airlines over here (FR, U2, BE, EI for example), you have to pay to even check in one bag so count yourselves lucky. Oil prices are going up dramatically and until the airlines over there can raise their fares, they have to come up with other ways to offset this cost. Get used to it guys because it's not going to get any better!
According to one of my colleagues, my problem is that I'm addicted to travel!
FlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5850 times:
Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 1): Sigh... I get so sick of threads expressing anger at airlines for "nickel and diming," when it's beyond clear that they are just responding to customer wishes.
Customers want the lowest base fare. They've expressed that repeatedly and consistently, by refusing to buy tickets from any airline that tries to include more services and charge accordingly.
And the entitlement of what passengers think they should get for free drives me nuts too. They seem to think it's their right to be able to bring two bags for free, or to get this for free or that free, simply because it was once free before.
They don't seem to realize that paying $225 and having to pay $25 for the second bag is the same thing as paying $250 and having the option to check two bags. The nice thing is, if I don't check a second bag, which I almost never do, saves me money.
VonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4624 posts, RR: 38 Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5623 times:
Personally I prefer the "nickel and dime" approach because it's more fair to each individual passenger. Instead of raising everybody's fare the fares can stay low and pax can pay for each individual service. Much better. I rarely check a bag at all let alone two, so I'm glad I won't be paying for somebody else's baggage.
I think the new payment scheme at Air Canada is revolutionary and I love it.
Bakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 335 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5174 times:
Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 4): They don't seem to realize that paying $225 and having to pay $25 for the second bag is the same thing as paying $250 and having the option to check two bags. The nice thing is, if I don't check a second bag, which I almost never do, saves me money.
You can't be serious if you think that because of this they will adjust the price of a ticket to reflect your example.
VonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4624 posts, RR: 38 Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5124 times:
Quoting Bakersdozen (Reply 15): You can't be serious if you think that because of this they will adjust the price of a ticket to reflect your example.
No, but if they can increase revenue by pax paying for services they actually use it'll lessen the need to raise fares. So it keeps the base fares relatively low, the more you demand from the airline the more you pay. Instead of everybody paying the same fare regardless of how much they cost the airline. Somebody with no checked bags should not have to pay the same as a passenger with 140lbs worth of shit.
FlyingSikh From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 36 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5015 times:
I just flew Air Canada from Fort McMurray to Montreal via Toronto. I get to Montreal and my 1 bag seemed to magically vanish.
I was in Montreal for 4 days for UFC 83, end up flying back to Fort McMurray on West Jet (which btw was an awsome expeirence as always, friendly crews, excellent service, great aircraft)
Air Canada is one of the worst airlines I have ever flown. Most civilized international and domestic carriers shoot these guys out of the water. It will be a great day in Canada when West Jet becomes fully international.
WildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2489 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4893 times:
I'm curious how this change will affect the baggage allowance for Elite FF's. Presently we are allowed to check 4 bags. If it will decrease to 3, I'm still OK. If it goes down even further, then, well, Mr. Visa will have some work to do during check-in.
Pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2141 posts, RR: 12 Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4882 times:
A friend who was traveling for a month left packing to the last minute. I knew he probably would and showed up early to give him a ride to the airport. I looked at what he had laid out to pack. Forget going for a month - he had enough clothes for a year. Despite the fact that the place he was going had full and free laundry facilities for him to use. I can pack in my sleep so showed him how I packed so that majority of it took up the least space and was wrinkle free. I was able to boot up my laptop and showed him my packing lists that I use all the time. His mouth fell open. I talked him into leaving a lot back and still needed one large and one medium suitcase. He could have easily done it in the large suitcase with a sports duffel bag also packed inside in case he bought a lot of stuff, and still had extra room. This isn't a working trip and is going to a hot climate.
People have no clue how to pack and are disorganized so over pack all the time. I echo the sentiment that why should I pay for higher fares because people like my friend don't think and lug all sorts of extra crap. I think $25 is quite reasonable.
I sat beside one of those people who love to hate AC my last trip back from YVR to YYZ. He bitched about everything despite being upgraded to J class ( I was upgraded as well). He asked why I flew AC instead of Westjet, so I explained my reasons and that I thought it is great there is a choice. He then asked what I thought the worst thing about flying AC was? My pointed but polite answer was, "Well to be honest, traveling with people who enjoy hating AC." The woman across the aisle guffawed loudly so obviously had been eavesdropping. After an hour he quietly apologized and said his whole family was like that and his Dad had been a CPAir pilot and was retired. After another hour we actually talked about a few interesting things and the flight didn't turn out nearly as bad as I feared.
Al From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 593 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4850 times:
Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 21): I'm curious how this change will affect the baggage allowance for Elite FF's. Presently we are allowed to check 4 bags. If it will decrease to 3, I'm still OK. If it goes down even further, then, well, Mr. Visa will have some work to do during check-in.
It doesn't affect us at all. There is a grid and explanation of the new policies on their (AC's) website under travel advisories.
WildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2489 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4850 times:
Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 20): Only now, the guy with 140lbs of shit will have to pay an amount more appropriate to the cost of hauling him and all of his shit.
Please, check your data before posting... The guy hauling 140 lbs in two bags would already pay $ 50 + taxes (as long as he's not Elite or Super Elite). And the guy hauling 100 lbs in 3 bags would pay $ 125 + taxes.