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SEA-MKE On 717?!?  
User currently offlinePHXMKEflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 291 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5131 times:

I noticed on flightaware that YX sent a 717 today on the SEA run! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MEP903 Were the loads so light that they could get away with it weight wise or did they have some good head/tail winds?? I thought the 717 didn't have the range.  confused 

your thoughts/comments...

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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22866 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

The 712 in YX configuration probably has the range for MKE-SEA if winds aren't too bad... and if loads are light (it is Saturday), that obviously helps too.


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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4964 times:

I dont know. I always they thought they use a MD-80.. I can see a 717 on the SEA-MKE with the tail winds but not going MKE-SEA. Maybe an error on flightaware. I seen the same thing flilght you are discussing and wondered the same thing.

Regards,

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22866 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4942 times:

Looks like it wasn't a flightaware error...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MEP904

Interesting flight path, BTW.



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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1134 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4808 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
Looks like it wasn't a flightaware error...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MEP904

Interesting flight path, BTW.

Yes, quite interesting path. One thing i did notice though is that the next flight for tomorrow was previously a 712 as well, but now is an MD-88. Could be error after all.



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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4707 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
Interesting flight path, BTW.

Could it be they rode the jetstream all the way back??

Regards,

Mark in MKE



I love the smell of Jet fuel in the Morning
User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1036 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4704 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 4):
Could be error after all.

Wow, that will be the first time that's happened on FlightAware  banghead 


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22866 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4452 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 4):
Could be error after all.

No, it'll show 712 (or whatever the aircraft type was) for the next flight until that flight actually takes off. That bug has been around for a while.



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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2340 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4341 times:

The route is about 100 nm beyond the range of the basic gross weight 717. Unless YX have the 717-200IGW? I don't think Boeing made it available.


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User currently offlinePHXMKEflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4303 times:

They are sending the 712 again today on the route; currently enroute http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MEP904 very interesting

User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4090 times:



Quoting PHXMKEflyer (Reply 9):
They are sending the 712 again today on the route; currently enroute

I seen that again. I am starting to believe that they can run that. Maybe a way to cope with light loads and reduce fuel burn.
I bet YX wishes they had the busses instead of 717.

Regards,

Mark in MKE



I love the smell of Jet fuel in the Morning
User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2893 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4027 times:

It looks to me like they are down a M80. This morning's MKE-LAX ran about 90 minutes late, using the M80 which normally would do MKE-SEA-MKE. Having one M80 chartered by Hillary's campaign, plus both Brewers and Royals hitting the road after ending homestands today, probably gave them less spare back up than normal.

MKE-SEA is over 200 miles longer than MKE-PHX, which ran okay with the 717 this winter. However it's likely they had to bump passeners or freight one or both directions for the 717 to make it without a fuel stop.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22866 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4015 times:



Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 11):
It looks to me like they are down a M80.

Have they taken care of the wiring issue that gave AA fits? I feel like they had grounded some planes, but it wasn't clear if it was resolved (remember that AA thought they had resolved the issue only to be told by the FAA that they had not).



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2893 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3965 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
Have they taken care of the wiring issue that gave AA fits? I feel like they had grounded some planes, but it wasn't clear if it was resolved (remember that AA thought they had resolved the issue only to be told by the FAA that they had not).

Yes, it is complete. When AA had their second, most recent round of groundings, the FAA's steped-up inspections did not find trouble with Miwest M80's. However Midwest still decided to return all their M80's to Milwaukee for detailed internal inspection that night and the next morning.


User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3964 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
Have they taken care of the wiring issue that gave AA fits

I beleive that was solved in one day. Maybe a day and a half. I remember seeing that on the news.

Regards,

Mark in MKE



I love the smell of Jet fuel in the Morning
User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

I flew that route on Midwest last year several times i the fall. I do not remember the plane; but, the passanger loads were light.

I asked if that was normal and was told that while summer is packed, that spring and fall run light. It is obvious that winter was lighter yet as Midwest suspended the route for the winter.

So, perhaps they are using a 717 if the loads are as light as they were last fall.


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7483 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3694 times:

Doesn't Hillary have one of their MD80's ?


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User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3645 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 16):
Doesn't Hillary have one of their MD80's ?

Yes she does!


User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1134 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3606 times:



Quoting MKENut (Reply 17):
Doesn't Hillary have one of their MD80's ?

Yes she does!

Eww...  Wink



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

It looks like YX is doing charters for the NBA's Hornets also...

Detailed Flight Information:
Midwest Airlines Flight 8452 to New Orleans, LA
Airline Midwest Airlines
Flight Number 8452
Departure City (Airport) Dallas, TX (DAL)
Departure Time 04/28/2008 12:41 AM
Arrival City (Airport) New Orleans, LA (MSY)
Arrival Time 04/28/2008 01:34 AM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type MD81
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived

I didn't see any MSY-MKE flights in the database so I'm not sure where she went after arriving MSY at 1:00am this morning...


User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3509 times:

I just wonder if most routes that YX flys the MD80 on will be dropped? It seems out of touch with reality to keep flying them and losing money. If only management would have decided on a more fuel efficient A/C two years ago, YX would not be in this predicament. It also would have not put them in the position of a hostile takeover.  Sad

User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1134 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3385 times:



Quoting MKENut (Reply 20):
It also would have not put them in the position of a hostile takeover. Sad

That was last year, not this year. DL management has already stated they have no interest in a takeover, or assuming further control of dad-to-day ops. after the merger is final.



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User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3341 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 21):
That was last year, not this year.

The hostile take over was last year and it was expensive for both sides, but hurt Midwest the most.


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3340 times:



Quoting MKENut (Reply 20):
I just wonder if most routes that YX flys the MD80 on will be dropped? It seems out of touch with reality to keep flying them and losing money. If only management would have decided on a more fuel efficient A/C two years ago, YX would not be in this predicament. It also would have not put them in the position of a hostile takeover. Sad

Who says YX is losing money on the MD-80s? Sure, they're older and less efficient ... but to make a blanket statement saying YX is losing money on all their MD-80s routes is a bit preposterous. Just like any other route with any other aircraft, there are those that perform well and make money for the company and those that don't.



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2893 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

Allegiant continues to be solidly profitable with an all-M80 fleet. Although they sell a lot more of their air fares bundled with vacation packages than does, say, Northwest or American, the bulk of their revenue and expense is from flying the M80.

25 MKENut : I'm not so sure we can compare Allegiant to Midwest Airlines. Allegiant is a travel agency first that just happens to have planes to charter their ow
26 Knope2001 : I think people are generally surprised to learn that Allegiant is indeed an airline, not a tour company which happens to fly some planes. Their annua
27 MKENut : I agree with your detailed assessment... I believe Midwest Airlines should stay with the MD80 until they can take delivery on new A/C. I know it take
28 TVNWZ : I can see a scenerio where YX orders NO new aircraft, but sticks browsing the used plane lot.
29 Legacytravel : Look on board for a pant suit. Maybe we can sell it on Ebay. Mark in MKE
30 MKE22 : Where do you see them getting the aircraft from, what kind, and when then?[Edited 2008-04-28 15:44:23]
31 Knope2001 : Right now I think all airlines are battening down the hatches to weather the current storm. Until either fuel drops in price or the industry adjusts
32 2175301 : I suspect that within a year that Midwest (and other airlines) will have opportunities to modernize aircraft with late model used and perhaps even som
33 Wjcandee : Refleeting with new "fuel-efficient" aircraft dramatically raises the mortgage on the house, if you will. Yes, you will pay something less per mile f
34 TrijetsRMissed : I still think the MD-90 would be a good fit for YX. Relatively modern and fuel efficient, with cheap acquisition costs. YX does not need the transcon
35 TVNWZ : I think that odd ball fleet would up maintainence costs. Why switch out one cost for another. As Knope points out, slightly used from just about anyo
36 2175301 : So, what is the ideal replacement plane that is likely to be on the used market in the next year or so... The MD-90 has already been mentioned - which
37 Knope2001 : The longest likely is MKE-SFO, wihch is close to 1850m, plus decent fuel reserve for notorious SFO weather holds. The likely best options are the 737-
38 MKE22 : I've heard many say that more seats like 150 might be too many, and I kind of agree. But couldn't they just remove a row or 2 of seats for more leg r
39 TVNWZ : The former may be a little hard to come by, but the later should be easier.
40 2175301 : Next question: How many planes would they need to replace? I did a little looking and was directed to a FAA site that claimed the following: Midwest E
41 Post contains links MKENut : Midwest has not had a DC-9 in the fleet for sometime now. I usually look on wikipedia.org website for fleet information on airlines. I believe these
42 Cubsrule : The FAA's site lists MD-81 and -82s as DC-9s, so it's going to be 4 -88s and a total of 9 -81s and -82s... I can't help you with the breakdown of tho
43 Knope2001 : Their M80's have mostly 143 seats, so the A320 and 738 are not out of line. Smaller aircraft are easier to fill, but cost per seat mile is usually mo
44 TrijetsRMissed : What does that have to do with anything? YX operates only two types, what difference does it make if one of them had less than 150 airframes in the p
45 Sideflare75 : 803,804,805 -81's came from JAS 808,809,810 -82's came from JAS 812,813,814 -81's came from SAS * 812 has been sold and is currently in the hangar wi
46 Pilotfox : Anyone heard any rumblings about Skyway taking over ground handling for some NW stations? NW corporate was here last month observing Skyway ground han
47 MKE22 : Don't look too much into it, because it won't be too long before NW and DL are 1, can't forget that. Maybe DL will just have SkyWest take over NW gro
48 JBo : What about Northwest Connect? Since Skyway is now in the business of contract ground handling, I would not be surprised if more airlines don't take n
49 Pilotfox : I was thinking they may take over ground handling for NW in small ops in WI where only YX and NW fly. It would be a start for NW to start cutting cost
50 Post contains links Knope2001 : Air Wisconsin does ground handling for more than two dozen United destinations and some Northwest destinations in spite of Air Wisconsin not flying UA
51 AirframeAS : I thought that Midwest has been using the 712 into SEA for a quite awhile now.....
52 Knope2001 : 717 from MCI M80 from MKE The 717 does not have the legs to reliably do MKE-SEA without serious risk of fuel stop or severe weight penalty.
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