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New TA LAX-PTY Nonstop?  
User currently offlineB-787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 273 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

I have been hearing rumors of a new TACA LAX-PTY nonstop starting August 1st, can anyone confirm?


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4465 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

I haven't heard nothing at all.
TA is deploying daily TA 670 PTY-SJO-SAL-LAX and the southbound as TA 671 LAX-SAL-SJO-PTY.
TA allocates all their flights connecting their hubs at LIM, SAL or SJO as well as its focus city placed at GUA.
It's extremely weird if they would decide to dispatch a new flight avoiding at least one of the mentioned stations.
Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22864 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3486 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 1):
It's extremely weird if they would decide to dispatch a new flight avoiding at least one of the mentioned stations.

...and on a route where they would have to contend with CM, no less.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6089 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3337 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
...and on a route where they would have to contend with CM, no less.

this would be financial disaster....doesn't DL do this route too or have they ceased this.



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

The only way I can see TA flying LAX-PTY is if TA wants to fly LAX-PTY-LIM - something which seems very unlikely.
If TA wants to link LAX with LIM without flying via SAL or SJO, IMHO a LAX-MGA-LIM would come before a LAX-PTY-LIM.



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22864 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3260 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 3):
doesn't DL do this route too or have they ceased this.

Just CM, but still... unlike some other Central American communities (i.e. Belize), I don't believe there's a large Panamanian population in Los Angeles.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6089 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3161 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
(i.e. Belize)

Well there are no LAX_BZE flights either.....DL didn't give their 6 week trial period time to work.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3084 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
I don't believe there's a large Panamanian population in Los Angeles.

Actually there's, It's Panama 3rd largest community in the U.S.A., while it's not as large as other Centralamerican, for sure there are more Panamanians in L.A. area than Costaricans. By the way the reason Panamanian communities aren't as notisable as other Latinos in the U.S: is because sometimes they fall under Caribbean or Black and not under Hispanic.



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22864 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3027 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 7):
Actually there's, It's Panama 3rd largest community in the U.S.A.,

But are we talking about a few hundred people or thousands? Certainly there are other Latino populations that are so centered in Miami and New York that the third largest population is pretty miniscule.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Albeit a little old (2002)I have a document that shows 12,122 folks from Panama in the greater Los Angeles metro area.

This compares to 359,673 from El Salvador, 211,458 from Guatemala, 64,414 Nicaragua, 46,744 Honduras, and 12,252 from Costa Rica.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4465 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

The current CM PTY-LAX is likely capturing passengers from other stations involved into its network. These flights are not transferring solely the O&D traffic though.
For instance, CM is doing extremely well into PTY-MCO and probably its success is guaranteed for the sizeable connections at PTY.
With that being said, the possible TA PTY-LAX as non-stop might not work conveniently there.




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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
This compares to 359,673 from El Salvador, 211,458 from Guatemala, 64,414 Nicaragua, 46,744 Honduras, and 12,252 from Costa Rica.

As a matter of fact, traffic between SAL-LAX is larger than SAL-MIA.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4006 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2936 times:
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How does CM do on their LAX-PTY flights? Is it safe to assume they do very well with all the many connections available thru PTY?

User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2857 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 11):
How does CM do on their LAX-PTY flights? Is it safe to assume they do very well with all the many connections available thru PTY?

Is a dedicated B737-800 service. Once, just after CM started the route, CM was flying 5 weekly, but for years now is daily. Wish CM will add LAS and SFO (or OAK/SJC?  Wink ) to its destinations.



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2844 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 10):
For instance, CM is doing extremely well into PTY-MCO and probably its success is guaranteed for the sizeable connections at PTY.

I was surprised to see the last time I took this flight that most of the passengers were O&D, but it was during Panamanian summer (JAN-MAR)


User currently offlineBentley55 From Panama, joined Mar 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2815 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 12):
Is a dedicated B737-800 service. Once, just after CM started the route, CM was flying 5 weekly, but for years now is daily. Wish CM will add LAS and SFO (or OAK/SJC? ) to its destinations.

What are Copa's new routes expected to be? Has there been any new info on flights to Europe? Any rumors on new aircraft to support continued expansion?

If CO joins OneWorld, would Copa leave SkyTeam?


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2797 times:
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TACA should buy bigger planes then A320's for the distances they travel to Lima and deeper South America from the USA. Miami to Buenos Aires on an A320 with 2 stops is not an appealing plan.

User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6089 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2756 times:



Quoting Bentley55 (Reply 14):

If CO joins OneWorld, would Copa leave SkyTeam?

Probably would follow CO and help cement OW as the Alliance of the Americas.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4465 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2656 times:



Quoting Bentley55 (Reply 14):
If CO joins OneWorld, would Copa leave SkyTeam?

CO is not to merge with another carrier at this time.
Based on this landscape, CM would most likely remain into SkyTeam group.




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Quoting Bentley55 (Reply 14):
What are Copa's new routes expected to be?

The regulators of the airline have rather announced more flights on existing stations in short-term. The most recent addition was CM PTY-SAL on April 27th.
The following news release states that two new destinations would be added into its entire network during the 2008. The first issue was Port of Spain on March 10th.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-dominance-in-central-america.html




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Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 15):
TACA should buy bigger planes then A320's for the distances they travel to Lima and deeper South America from the USA. Miami to Buenos Aires on an A320 with 2 stops is not an appealing plan.

TA has firmly ordered 12 additional 320s and three new 319s.
The autonomy of the 319 is larger that the 320. With that being said, the possible TA LIM-MIA would work better with 319 instead. NK does LIM-FLL everyday with 319.
TA is not centered in markets such MIA-EZE as [MIA-SJO - SJO-LIM and LIM-EZE]. This arrangement is unattractive compared with EZE-MIA as non-stop. Its fortress at EZE is rather focusing in those flights through LIM and targeting operations within South America as well as their key airports in Central America.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2564 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 12):
Is a dedicated B737-800 service. Once, just after CM started the route, CM was flying 5 weekly, but for years now is daily. Wish CM will add LAS and SFO (or OAK/SJC? ) to its destinations.

CM is really stretching the 737-800 capabilities on LAX-PTY (it's a 6+ hr, 3000 mile haul on that route). Unless CM used a different type of aircraft, I don't think they could make SFO. They could make LAS, however, as that is actually closer than LAX by about 100 miles.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22864 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2538 times:



Quoting Travelin man (Reply 18):
CM is really stretching the 737-800 capabilities on LAX-PTY (it's a 6+ hr, 3000 mile haul on that route). Unless CM used a different type of aircraft, I don't think they could make SFO.

CM has plenty of 73G routes that are well within the range of the 738, so those other aircraft are certainly available.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4465 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2456 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 11):
How does CM do on their LAX-PTY flights?

Some pictures about the accurate performance in such route:

Panama City to Los Angeles. One-way trip.
....Filter period........Frequencies.....Available seats.......Passengers.........Load factor
......July 2007................31...................4805....................4576...................95%
...August 2007...............31..................4805....................4419...................92%
September 2007............30...................4433...................3211....................72%
..October 2007...............31..................4650....................2838...................61%
Source: US DOT.




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Quoting Travelin man (Reply 18):
CM is really stretching the 737-800 capabilities on LAX-PTY (it's a 6 hr, 3000 mile haul on that route).

CM flies everyday PTY-EZE using the 738 as well, adding that PTY-EZE is farther than PTY-LAX.
PTY-EZE: 2879 nm**
PTY-LAX: 2616 nm**




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Quoting Travelin man (Reply 18):
Unless CM used a different type of aircraft, I don't think they could make SFO.

CM flies PTY-MVD with 73G which lies 2941 nm**
As a matter of fact, PTY-MVD is farther than PTY-SFO that are spaced 2885 nm**

** According to the Great Circle Mapper. Distances have been measured purely as straight line. This information may not be accurate or current and is not valid for navigation or flight planning.




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Quoting Travelin man (Reply 18):
They could make LAS

CM is getting troubles in order to load planes into PTY-IAD 5x weekly.
I cannot understand why the performance for PTY-LAS would be arguably better than PTY-IAD.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22864 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2449 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 20):
I cannot understand why the performance for PTY-LAS would be arguably better than PTY-IAD.

I would think that ORD would be CM's next US city (it helps that it's a good bit closer to PTY than any of the west coast cities....right about 2000 nm). Heck, with 737s they could go to MDW.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4465 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2379 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 21):
I would think that ORD would be CM's next US city

CO makes flights on behalf of CM in this route: CO ORD-IAH and then CO IAH-PTY.
Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2337 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 17):
CO is not to merge with another carrier at this time.
Based on this landscape, CM would most likely remain into SkyTeam group.

There is no doubt that CO is leaving SkyTeam, its a question of when, they have been completely shut out with the mega merger. CM has publically stated that they will follow CO to any alliance.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 17):
Probably would follow CO and help cement OW as the Alliance of the Americas.

True, AA, LA, CM and CO, that is a HUGE dominance, wonder if BA would start PTY flights?


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22864 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2303 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 22):
CO makes flights on behalf of CM in this route: CO ORD-IAH and then CO IAH-PTY.

But by that logic, there's no need for CM to serve any U.S. cities (save perhaps MCO and MIA), right?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
25 Mt99 : Well there aren't many US cities currently served by CM. Which is not bad thing, a previous link relating to TACA - says that growth to North America
26 Cubsrule : Certainly not. All I said above was that IF CM expands in North America, Chicago is a likely next target (more so than LAS).
27 2travel2know : I could probably be the same reason why CM is doing well in MCO rightnow?
28 SJOtoLIR : IMHO, new US destinations involved on COPA's network must guarantee a combination of a respectable O&D traffic mainly from the US bound and/or weak c
29 Cubsrule : It's pretty much a matter of geography, isn't it? Houston is a good connecting point to PTY from anywhere west of the Mississippi. As you go east, it
30 Yellowtail : It would definitely seem like a logical no brainer, especially considering BA lack of presence is S. A....AA might not be happy though. .might also l
31 2travel2know : What would it be easier for OnePass passengers? Southamerica-IAH immigration and customs, change of terminals IAH-LAS with CO or Southamerica-PTY-LAS
32 Dacman : Interesting route and another TACA (TA) flight here at Los Angeles (LAX) nice to see. Guess I'm getting old though as I get tired of having to get my
33 SJOtoLIR : I rather meant a mix of both geographical issues and marketable commodity. For example, CO can cater passengers as PTY-IAH and then IAH-LAX, but the
34 CM767 : We will see a second frequency to LAX before those destinations, I would not be surprised if ORD will be the next destination in the US, when? no ide
35 SJOtoLIR : Sorry for disagree guys, but the fictitious CM PTY-ORD could be compared with the current performance for CM PTY-IAD 5x weekly, where CM is not gettin
36 Cubsrule : ...so what's the next US destination?
37 SJOtoLIR : The regulators of the airline have not announced nothing official yet. IMHO, the future of the Central American airlines would be focusing in those U
38 Cubsrule : ...almost certainly not. We may not see one next year, or the year after. But Latin America is growing and CM is growing. We'll certainly see another
39 SJOtoLIR : Yes, CM has added several new destinations within the last 12 months: PUJ Punta Cana: July 15th 2007. IAD Washington: July 15th 2007. GDL Guadalajara
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