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Merger: CO Votes NOT To Merge  
User currently offlineRJFlyer0891 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 21675 times:

This just came in from the Corporate Message Board, Official Announcement:

"April 27, 2008

EMPLOYEE BULLETIN NO. 6



Dear Co-worker,

We want you to know that our Board of Directors met today and has unanimously supported management’s recommendation that, in the current industry environment, the best course for Continental is to not merge with another airline at this time.

Our recommendation, and the Board’s careful and considered decision, followed a comprehensive review of our strategic alternatives, assisted by our senior officers and advised by Continental’s outside financial and legal advisors. The Board very carefully considered all the risks and benefits of a merger with another airline, and determined that the risks of a merger at this time outweigh the potential rewards, as compared to Continental’s prospects on a standalone basis.

We have significant cultural, operational and financial strengths compared to the rest of the industry, and we want to protect and enhance those strengths -- which we believe would be placed at risk in a merger with another carrier in today’s environment. We will, however, continue to review potential alliances and our membership in SkyTeam. We are considering alternatives to SkyTeam as we carefully evaluate which major global alliance will be best for Continental over the long term.

While some would prefer to see Continental pursue a merger, we strongly believe we have made the right decision – one that is in the best interests of our stockholders, co-workers, customers and the communities we serve.

Every U.S. carrier, including Continental, is under enormous pressure from record high fuel prices, a slowing U.S. economy and a weak dollar. In today’s harsh environment, we must continue to adjust our business model to ensure we successfully navigate through these difficult times, so that in the future we can once again grow and prosper. As we take actions, we will communicate them to you as soon as possible. In the meantime, we must all continue to concentrate on what we do so well: delivering clean, safe and reliable air transportation every day.

Even in these tough times, we have great strengths. We have an enviable position in the New York market, a powerful hub in Houston, and hubs in Cleveland and Guam. We have a solid trans-Atlantic route network, which has recently been enhanced by our access to London Heathrow. We also have a great Latin American network and a growing portfolio of routes to India and Asia. We fly the youngest, most fuel-efficient fleet and have the best new aircraft order book among the major network carriers.

Most importantly, we have our Working Together culture, and we will ensure it remains intact. We’ve achieved our industry-leading customer service reputation because of you – our co-workers. We will all work together to get through these tough times.

We are both proud to be on your team."

268 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 21696 times:

and there was singing and dancing throughout a.net land.

Culturally, any kind of merger would be very hard to pull off with CO.

They can make it but it won't be easy. But then nothing in life is.

[Edited 2008-04-27 14:46:20]

User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21636 times:

Thank God someone is making decisions based on sanity. This is good news.

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3464 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21582 times:

Say hello to United/US Airways. Glad to see CO will remain independent.

Jeremy


User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21585 times:



Quoting RJFlyer0891 (Thread starter):
We will, however, continue to review potential alliances and our membership in SkyTeam. We are considering alternatives to SkyTeam as we carefully evaluate which major global alliance will be best for Continental over the long term.

So the "SkyTeam" days seem counted? Who will CO go for? Star or OW?


User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21532 times:

YYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am the happiest camper right now!  Smile And yes, thank goodness there is still some sanity out there!

User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21531 times:

I am glad to hear that actually. People on this board have jumped on the merger bandwagon and think that it is the panacea to all the airlines' problems. The logistical nightmare of a merger with airlines like CO and UA would create additional costs and would take YEARS for a combined entity to see benefits from the merger. That will not exactly help an airline in the meantime while fuel is at 120 a barrel.

User currently offlineJaysan From India, joined Apr 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21529 times:

I don't see a UA/US merger and I don't think AA/UA will dance into the night as well, what are your thoughts? How will M&A play out...

User currently offlineRJFlyer0891 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21534 times:

Yes, the cheers can be heard throughout the building right now at 1200 Smith St. in Houston!!!!

User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2823 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21464 times:

Again, everyone rejoicing will soon realize that it's either a few large carriers now, or just Southwest in the future. Watch UA for Southwest inflicted damage soon.

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21474 times:

UA/US will most certainly merge. AA and CO will probably stay alone. 2 mega airlines, one very large, and one medium sized network airline plus several LFCs. will be an interesting US airline market.

User currently offlineCOFreqFlyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21385 times:

Simple enough. YAY!!


The Proud Bird with the Golden Tail
User currently offlineTN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21383 times:

This is a very good thing. In a couple years I think people are going to realize mergers aren't necessarily the panacea many think they are, and CO will likely be stronger as a result. They just went up a notch on my respect ladder.

User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21385 times:

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 9):
Again, everyone rejoicing will soon realize that it's either a few large carriers now, or just Southwest in the future. Watch UA for Southwest inflicted damage soon.

From the sounds of this board, it sounds like Southwest will continue dropping the hammer on Frontier in DEN - would they do the same to UA there?

UA/Tilton may want to/be primed to merge, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will. We've also heard that AA is/was talking w/US - if something progresses between those two, what would that mean for the merger-seeking UA then?

Edited for grammar.

[Edited 2008-04-27 15:03:31]

User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21344 times:

This statement still doesn't mean that they aren't talking with United. With Continental's days in Skyteam numbered, that really leaves only Star and Oneworld. CAL and AA have considerable overlap in route structure, therefore if CAL wants to leave Skyteam, it appears Star is the next best alternative. If CAL wants to join Star, then something would have to be worked out with United....

User currently offlineJaysan From India, joined Apr 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21340 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 10):
UA/US will most certainly merge. AA and CO will probably stay alone. 2 mega airlines, one very large, and one medium sized network airline plus several LFCs. will be an interesting US airline market.

Intersting... What does UA have to gain from this? I know they would gain presence in the NE however they had presence and opted out of it so again what can they posiablly gain? CLT?


User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21285 times:

Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Thank you CO!!! I’m so happy they are not going to merge with UA! I also look forward to CO and AA working out some alliance agreement. Since I am in Dallas, this is great and hey I might fly AA now, be the first time since 2000.

I hope UA and US Air merge.  devil  I’m sure AA and CO will be watching and waiting!



Worked Hard. Flew Right. Farewell, Continental. Thanks for the memories.
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3679 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21273 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 10):
UA/US will most certainly merge. AA and CO will probably stay alone. 2 mega airlines, one very large, and one medium sized network airline plus several LFCs. will be an interesting US airline market.

That's a shame, I was hoping for a merger. Now, could we see a threesome UA/US/B6? I think that could be the solution for the merged airline to be as large as the merged DL/NW.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5147 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21275 times:

If CO leaves Skyteam, which I'm not decided on if thats a high likelihood or not, I'd assume they may form an alliance with American and One World. In Houston I guess that might mean we see some 757s to DFW, ORD, and MIA. Maybe IAH-SJU on CO would go to 753 or 739.


Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9264 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21236 times:



Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 4):
So the "SkyTeam" days seem counted? Who will CO go for? Star or OW?

Talk was if CO/UA didn't happen CO/AA will make an Alliance. Welcome to Oneworld CO.

Quoting Jaysan (Reply 7):
I don't see a UA/US merger and I don't think AA/UA will dance into the night as well, what are your thoughts? How will M&A play out...

UA/US say your wrong. UA has US will be next if CO doesn't want to merge.
DL/NW
UA/US(would UA-US be larger than AA?)
AA
CO



yep.
User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21175 times:

Reuters is a bit slow with this, only updating UA (and CO) possibilities an hour ago. Bloomberg is on it, though.

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8254 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21170 times:
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An alliance with AA and/or BA is the best outcome to enhance and preserve Continental's independence.

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4643 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21189 times:

Careful what you wish for however....

CO is agreat airline with a great reputation in the industry, but if DL/NW merge and UA/US merge. CO will be at a HUGE disadvantage when it comes to global netowork reach once all is said and done. CO would be an extremely distant # 4 in terms fo the legacy airlines in the US which could be severely detrimental to their business and competitive position globaly (this is not a domestic industry!)

Im not saying CO/UA should merge, im sure they could easily see what a dog with fleas UA is, but i also dont know if stand alone is the best option for CO.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21178 times:



Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 13):
We've also heard that AA is/was talking w/US - if something progressed between those two, what would that mean for the merger-seeking UA then?

UA is also talking with US, supposedly UAs talks are rather far along with them as well.

An interesting curve ball from CO, guess we will see how this all shakes out in the next few months.



Semper Fi - PowerPoint makes us stupid.
User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5850 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21117 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 3):
Say hello to United/US Airways. Glad to see CO will remain independent.

why would they want the baggage that comes with UA?  Wink



a true friend is someone who sees the pain in your eyes, while everyone else believes the smile on your face.
25 N844AA : I think this is the key paragraph in so many ways: The next couple weeks will probably be as interesting as the last couple weeks have been. There's s
26 Cubsrule : There is almost nothing that US does at CLT that UA could not do at IAD, and plenty of things that work at IAD (service to GRU, EZE, KWI) that would
27 Jaysan : So what would drive a UA/US merger? I don't see the benifit of a UA/US merger...
28 RJdxer : What, if anything is UA saying?
29 PDXCessna206 : There is too many airlines in the US. Something has got to happen soon.
30 LHR777 : Well, I can say that I'm very happy about this sound business decision. I only changed my a.net signature line about 24 hours ago! Although I'm sure U
31 PDXCessna206 : Is there a chance that AA and CO would merge? If the industry gets worse? Don't flame me. ..........Eeeep.
32 CO777ER : I wonder how the stock market will take this news?
33 FUN2FLY : What a great move by the CO management team to come out and let all its employees, shareholders and fliers know that they are not merging. I'm sure th
34 CALMSP : [quote=RJFlyer0891,reply=8]Sun Apr 27 2008 16:50:04 your local time (28 minutes 24 secs ago) and read 632 times: I'm not so sure..................I wa
35 RJFlyer0891 : LOL....looks like you were the only one to notice, I never seem to remember where I work.....
36 DeltaL1011man : UA wants a Southeast hub. DL/NW are together so there goes ATL. Next up............CLT and if i had to guess A32S to replace the 737s PHX/LAS/PHL all
37 United1 : At this point nothing, however thats not all that surprising given that its Sunday afternoon in Chicago and that UA generally doesn't comment on anyt
38 AirTranTUS : US would lose it anyway. Great news to see CO remaining independent.
39 Allstarflyer : Maybe UA wished CO said something else. If CO is so well-run and UA so poor, and if UA is heading into financial dire straits, CO could just be looki
40 Cubsrule : IAD is a better "southeast" hub than CLT by just about any measure.
41 RedTailDTW : Heck, I don't even like CO that much but I am very glad this isn't gonna happen. Although I never fly CO, I do not want to see another legacy's brand
42 Halls120 : Really? Why do you say that?
43 Falcon84 : I think Larry is being a shrewd here, as well as taking a calculated risk. I think he's betting on that UA simply cannot make it alone, and that a US/
44 Ikramerica : We agree. Here's what I think is going on: CO said that they were not interested in merging anymore because they see UA's business as failing, and di
45 MX757 : OUTSTANDING! Not one of us in MCO wanted anything to do with United! I'll bet a steak dinner that CO management knows something about all this merger
46 Jacobin777 : Lots of "ifs" there. UA has tons of cash to last years, and that's not including their attempts to do some extra cost-cuttings such as eliminate old
47 Allstarflyer : Don't get me wrong, though (especially UA guys like FriendlySkies and United1 ), I'm all for Tilton putting UA ahead of the game. But I've brought to
48 N844AA : Hadn't it been reported last week or the week before that CO and UA had entered into confidentiality agreements as part of the merger negotiations? M
49 AT : Would the Delta + Northwest combo be bigger than a American + CO one? In that case, if the govt sanctioned the former, would/could it prevent the lat
50 Citation501SP : Excellent News!!! Looks like CO, AS, and myself will sit on the fence and watch the schoolyard fights with merger mania going on. On a Serious note it
51 Kohflot : I don't think CO wants the NRT operation. The 787 and 777 make NRT a rapidly-vanishing hub. What they need is a good west-coast hub, more widebodies,
52 Ikramerica : That's a sucker bet. Anyone who bets against you owes you a steak! CO finally saw UA's books after all the talk, studied them this week, and realized
53 United1 : I'm sure that they do, however like I said UA doesn't generally comment on events that are in motion. Also just because CO backed out of this round d
54 ANstar : I think it will be Oneworld.... CO already have a FF relationship with QF and the latest news is AA and BA are courting them.
55 FriendlySkies : Tilton needs to leave. He hasn't done anything useful since they came out of Chapter 11. I have no idea how to fix the labor issues at UA, but having
56 Spokemd : So is CO going to wait till UA makes a second trip into bankruptcy and just buy the pieces it wants?
57 LHR777 : Latest news from who/where? If that's the case - awesome!
58 Falcon84 : Wrong. Dead wrong, I believe. Yes, the 777 and 787 makes long-haul flying easier, but to have that gem under the CO name would mean a booming busines
59 Falcon84 : That's what I see happening. I think CO looked at UA's books, and how poorly it's doing and said "why do we want to buy all of this crap, when we can
60 CALMSP : while the NRT hub has lost its appeal the past few years with the ability to hit more of the cities in SE asia non-stop, it still offers something tha
61 Commavia : I can't imagine why. Narita as a hub is losing its value and competitive viability by the day - as evidenced by what's happened to United's (and, for
62 Post contains links ANstar : There is a Washington post article http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2008/04/27/AR2008042701493.html
63 Lightsaber : Great news for CO. Their money would be better spent buying 77L's than wasted in a merger. Or with other Asian hubs finally exceeding NRT's scale (pe
64 Kohflot : UA and NW have been steadily trimming their Asian flights from NRT in the past 10 years, so how would CO have any more success at it? What destinatio
65 Ikramerica : Yep, which is what some of us were saying. Until that point, it's all just talk. But once CO saw the books and got their investment banking consultan
66 United1 : What I don't understand, and what I've never understood, about dredging up things that happened in the 80's (excepf for Avolar- I'll give you that wh
67 ORD Boy 2 : this is very very bad news for UA, I think Tilton frankly has been to focused on selling versus trying to repair this carrier. He needs to go!
68 Cubsrule : UA management in the past, say, 10 years has done many things right. They've developed arguably the strongest network of any legacy. They've worked h
69 Allstarflyer : And perception to a lot of people (sometimes more than I know for me, even) becomes reality. Maybe your suggestion that Tilton go (and I've seen you
70 RJFlyer0891 : What the heck, I'll add some more speculation here.....the new rumor I'm hearing is a possible CO/AS merger/buyout with CO joining Oneworld or forming
71 N844AA : Most definitely. This is what's so surprising to me. I can't believe that they would be so out of touch ... yet ... here we are.
72 United1 : Totaly agreed that is one of the ways that this current perception can change.
73 CrAAzy : I thought UA's 5th freedom rights were non-transferable at NRT if the slots and gates are sold, or was that NW? On topic: This is a very good move on
74 Ikramerica : There would have to be negotiations on this topic, but the NRT rights have been transfered before. Basically though, any airline would have to prove
75 United1 : Wait a second, there is nothing in the press release to indicate that UAs books are crappy or that UA is out of touch. CO made a decision that it was
76 Nwa747-400 : WOOOOHOOO!!!! Keeping CO My CO!!!!
77 Ikramerica : Which is what I've been proposing all along, for years. AS fills in much CO's domestic holes. (In theory CO could also look at taking over HA and the
78 Falcon84 : There is on the former: $537 million first quarter loss. I'd wager that is a major reason why CO decided to not merge-how poorly UA's finances curren
79 TWAL1011 : I think this "looking at the books and ran" theory is hysterical. Both carriers were way past that and were ready to seal the deal. The issue came dow
80 Post contains images UnitedTristar : UA has ALWAYS had very week first quarter results vs other network carriers because of the customer base. Rest assured that UA is fine. Thats awesome
81 Falcon84 : And you know this how? I think the book-lookng happened very recently, and the first quarter results sealed the no-deal on this one. That was the nai
82 Ikramerica : I read other news articles today that referenced "sources" that said as much. Sorry to break it to you, but between the books just being opened to CO
83 Jcavinato : Glad to see rationale thought and decision making here.
84 Falcon84 : "Weak" is what CO lost. A half BILLION in losses is disastrous, especially for a carrier wanting to merge and looking for a white knight. Truth is UA
85 Falcon84 : And the vote was unanimous. That tells you something.
86 TN757Flyer : I think I posted this in an earlier thread and not sure if a reply was ever posted. What has significantly changed that would let this merger pass DO
87 N844AA : Well, sometimes, it isn't. I have no idea if that's what happened here, or how often surprises happens generally. But even with big, sophisticated, r
88 Ikramerica : Uhm, no, they weren't. They had both agreed in principle that the idea had merit, but if they were ready to seal the deal, they would have done so al
89 United1 : I love it...... Dont forget that you are one of them.... See thats the problem you think, you don't know. Feel free to post them, I have no issue wit
90 Post contains links Mariner : For what it is worth, the New York Times disagrees with you. It's subscription, but I'll quote the relevant paragraph: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04
91 United1 : Only that CO made a decision...not the reasons behind it.
92 TWAL1011 : Ha - you sound like the armchair CEO. Anyways, as will be reported tomorrow - United and Continental could not reach financial terms. They were very
93 UnitedTristar : only that the board supports management...thats expected. -m
94 CrAAzy : Agreed. I just don't see how this would benefit CO, AA, or BA at all. There's too much CO overlap in Latin America and the Carribean with AA and I ca
95 Falcon84 : {quote=United1,reply=89]Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 81): Gotta love armchair CEO's. Dont forget that you are one of them....[/quote] I don't think any suc
96 WorldTraveler : I think you are right. One of the suggestions was that DL consider doing the same thing.... but that is risky, esp. since it is very likely that US l
97 United1 : Which is quite a bit more probable and logical then all this "UA is going down so why not just wait it out nonsense".
98 Commavia : It really wouldn't. AA and Continental do virtually nothing for each other. If USAirways does end up merging with United, the two will likely have to
99 RJFlyer0891 : I completely agree with you, AS+CO is the last merger involving a major airline that makes any sense whatsoever. We(CO) badly want/need a west coast
100 United1 : It's a bit more complicated then that, so a loss of 400M was expected and projected into UAs stock price by the analysts, however because the amount
101 Cubsrule : The administration? Seriously, WAS was the problem, and I'm sure UA/US could find a taker for 200 or so DCA slots.
102 UnitedTristar : personally I think this is just CO playing hardball to get better terms. DL/NW had tons of "the merger is off" comments on it and look where they are
103 Cle757 : Can you say CLE-AMS in 2009!....I think I can speak for everyone in CLE, Thank you BOD!!!
104 Klkla : Two things that crossed my mind: 1) How will investors and wall street react to this tomorrow? There is a lot of outside pressure for airlines to merg
105 CODC10 : It's incredibly doubtful that Bethune will return in anything more than a consultant capacity in a mega-merger that does not involve Continental. He'
106 Klkla : UA's Tilton just issued a statement (from AP): "Our strategy is consistent. Consolidation is underway -- ensuring you have the right partner is everyt
107 CatIII : Imagine, a CEO concerned about the culture of his employees and respecting the work his employees have done in creating a strong stand alone plan. Wi
108 CatIII : No. DL never had a BOD UNANIMOUSLY vote against consolidation.
109 Post contains links STT757 : First let me say while the thought of CO's management running a combined CO/UAL and their strategic assets was tantalizing, CO's decision today I thin
110 United1 : US/DL wasn't rejected unanimously?
111 CatIII : I should have clarified. I meant that the BOD never unanimously rejcted consolidation with NW (or rejected it at all for that matter). I think that's
112 United1 : Oh agreed I think at this point a UA/CO merger is pretty much dead, but God only knows what tomorrow will bring.
113 Enilria : I think CO's announcement is camouflage for their reaction to United's financial state. I believe they are really still in the game for a different me
114 CatIII : I have a sneaking suspicion that CO will eventually hook up with a young all-Boeing fleet carrier HQ'ed in SEA...
115 PVG : 1) I don't see UA/US Air merging. US Air too messy to begin with. 2) CO/AA could make a move to buy UA and share the spoils. 3) UA may raise some cash
116 Ikramerica : Well, AA can't happen (it wouldn't pass anti-trust due to IAH+DFW and EWR+JFK). US makes no sense for CO. So as true mergers go, CO is going to "go i
117 Falcon84 : Kellner didn't say that. He said CO is NOT pursuing a merger at this time. Flat out. I still think AS is on CO's radar, but I think CO just does not
118 Gigneil : While I am pretty sure that Kellner and Smisek are smart people, I think this public announcement is very short sighted. First, if they do merge, all
119 RJFlyer0891 : You answered your own question there......"reports" of a 99% done deal....no one knows how close they were except the people doing the negiotiating.
120 Aloha717200 : Absolutely positively fantastic!!!! This is the best news I've heard in a while. Glad that CO came to this decision!!! I hope that UAL remains indepe
121 CALMSP : you mean CLE-FRA???
122 STT757 : CO offered $400 Million for US's DCA slots during their 2000 attempted merger with UAL. Not happening.
123 RJFlyer0891 : Says who? Says who? The way I see it, as I've said time and time again, these large mergers i.e., DL/NW, UA/US, etc. will end up being disastrous, I
124 Mariner : Whereas I think it is an excellent thing. They have defined, for the benefit of their staff and, more particularly, their shareholders, their strateg
125 CatIII : I'm not so sure about that. I think they look at Delta spending the next 2 to 4 years trying to put together a merger in which everything could come
126 Cubsrule : With gridlock at EWR (CO) and JFK (AA), either carrier could use a reliever airport with a fantastic local market... DCA wouldn't be a hub per se for
127 Gigneil : Every intelligent analyst in the business. Not to mention all the economists. Even everyone with common sense. The rest of it is just wishful thinkin
128 Commavia : I doubt United would have a problem with messy. Tilton has been pleading for someone to take United off his hands for months, and Dougie and The Temp
129 Falcon84 : Like they will even consider that! That's not short-sightedness, that's just ignoring the children. How so? This doesn't mean they're out of this gam
130 RJFlyer0891 : Funny I know about a dozen analysts here at CO that beg to differ...as well as lots of other people with common sense...and you happen to know EVERY
131 Commavia : Then so be it. I think that some airline managers (at Continental, and hopefully American, too) have finally recognize that consolidation and merging
132 Continental180 : Thank you continental!!
133 Mariner : Hmmm? Wall Street hates the Delta/MWA merger. Look what it did to the stock prices. mariner
134 Hiflyer : Obviously the CO board was not in favor of the 'final' terms with UA...negotiations being what they are and NONE of us in the room with the 10 members
135 CatIII : I was just thinking that I wonder how Wall Street will react tomorrow. I have a feeling the DL/NW stock will continue to go down on the news od CO's
136 COewrAAtysAZ : I am so glad to see that our company has really thought this one through, and kept our CORPORATE CULTURE in mind. Have you heard any of the other airl
137 Shanderawx : That is great news for us in Houston. Let the other losers form their own lollapaloser.
138 Ikramerica : Exactly. There is no reason that the industry must consolidate into 3 major carriers + small players. AA will lose it's Largest carrier designation,
139 Gigneil : Oh come on now, sir. You know quite well why. Their terms are stupid. Merging and keeping superfluous jobs and hubs is not something they would be in
140 Commavia : I must say - not to sound fatalistic, but I truly have doubts about the long term survivability of United and USAirways - I'm not sure if both of the
141 FreequentFlier : How exactly is their announcement of a merger "morally bankrupt"? It will be interesting to see how Wall Street interprets this: I'm very curious to
142 LTBEWR : CO's Board made the right decision for them for now. Their press statement says it all. Mergers and takeovers are huge headaches that they are best to
143 COalways : Im Sooooo Excited that my FAVORITE Airlines is going at it Alone and will continue to shine and let DL/NW rot them selves out in back service and inte
144 BOStonsox : While I liked the DL/NW merger, the others aside from CO/UA make no sense to me. CO/AA? US/AA? US/UA? Merger mania is making me sick. I wonder where C
145 United1 : Tilton has been discussing mergers for years, not that he wants to give up his job or have someone take UA off his hands. Probably but I think that h
146 Post contains links CIDflyer : Well this certainly is a new wrinkle in merger maina, I really thought CO/UA was a set thing but now its not going to happen. Sounds like CO wants to
147 Cubsrule : So they're faced with what seems like an easy choice in my book: make the market happy but incur the government's ire (= no merger) or make the gover
148 United1 : That might make the most since for them in the long run they don't seem thrilled with Skyteam, depending on how these talks went with UA (meaning on
149 RJ777 : Let's look at this from a historical perspective Since 2001: Chapter 11 Bankruptcy filings: CO: 0 AA: 0 (Yet) United: 1 Delta: 1 NW: 1 US Airways: 2 N
150 WorldTraveler : it will happen. If it doesn't Open Skies will be revoked - the EU will see to it. Part of the reason DL wanted to do a merger now is because they kno
151 Cubsrule : This might count as a small miracle given the subject matter and your general optimism about the merger, but I think you're overstating the challenge
152 Fly4zip : I'm so happy! Thank you Continental. I've worked for Continental for over 25 years and very happy to being employeed by them. It hasn't always been go
153 United1 : Take a look back a little bit further and see how CO got to that point, UA has the record for the longest BK in US airline history guess who has the
154 TWAL1011 : As you said, this is historical, Since 1983: Chapter 11 Bankruptcy filings: AA: 0 UA: 1 DL: 1 NW: 1 CO: 2 US: 2 [Edited 2008-04-27 19:32:57][Edited 2
155 ContinentalAUS : This is AWESOME. Great news- glad to hear CO will remain independent and one of my favorite airlines. Had me worried!
156 Ikramerica : In terms of domestic competition, it's the country. In terms of viable airlines for business travelers, it's the country. because via alliances and c
157 CALMSP : ........doubtful. We are looking to grab another LHR slot for EWR before opening one for CLE. But if we can grab two slots, then yeah, I can see CLE-
158 BOStonsox : Maybe they will start their own alliance with Emirates, Virgin Atlantic, AeroRepublica, and EVA. Those are airlines they already codeshare with who se
159 Mariner : That may be true. The fact remains that Wall Street hates that merger. So far, we have no reason to suppose that others would be better organized. I
160 Brucek : What if US will not, or is not allowed (US anti-trust has alraedy come out againstb this in 2000) to merge? Is UA in a position to commence a hostile
161 Commavia : And I'm sure that is a trade-off Washington would be happy to make. But I highly doubt Open Skies will be revoked anyway - that's just an empty threa
162 TWAL1011 : I think the real reason Continental's board voted no is they love being number four! We're number four! We're number four! DL/NW - 1 UA/US - 2 AA - 3
163 Falcon84 : Perhaps. It could mean more like CLE-LHR and CLE-FRA. CLE-CDG could be kept, but we'll find out. Advanced bookings on that one have been pretty good.
164 William : I would love to hear your insightful opinion Southwest.
165 Post contains links CatIII : He has between 6.6 million and 12.8 million reasons he wants to give up his job and have someone take UA off his hands. http://www.financialweek.com/
166 Max Q : Size is NOT everything in this business, good management and treating your employees well is, what has size done for UAL !? Let everyone else merge, l
167 Thomasphoto60 : WOW.......I am speechless. Thanks for sharing those insights and pearls of wisdom,. Thomas
168 BriGuyinHou : Airlines have lost a lot of money over the years trying to be all things to all people. Continental's strategy of concentrating its flying to and from
169 HNL-Jack : Give me a break! Do you honestly believe that? I've participated in merger discussions and you better know what's in the books before you even exchan
170 United1 : " target=_blank>http://www.financialweek.com/apps/pb...23210 Yup and thats mostly in stock in UA, which means that in order for him to make a penny o
171 SHUPirate1 : Just out of curiousity, does anybody here realize that United only has 11 flights a day from Tokyo? Two each to Chicago-O'Hare and San Francisco, and
172 CatIII : From the article (fair use): The perks are in addition to any gains the UAL officials would reap selling their stock in a merger. As a group, United'
173 UAL-Fan : THANK GOD! United would have destroyed everything that is good about Continental. I am so very happy for both the employees and customers of Continent
174 Falcon84 : So you're smarter than all of us. I'll stand by what I said. 1. CO just recently looked at UA's books, withing the last 90 days and 2. UA's first qua
175 United1 : Fair Use United CEO Glenn Tilton, who steered the airline out of bankruptcy, would make the most: $6.6 million in a change of control in which he sta
176 COalways : But with Poor service there might not gain some of these corporate realationships just take a look at US/HP. Mergers are sometimes not greener when t
177 Estabulla : Newbie here...quick question. A common theme seems to be that CO will or is planning to leave Skyteam. Is there any particular reason for them to do s
178 HNL-Jack : And, would you mind sharing with us where you get this information, or is it just a conclusion you've reached all on your own?
179 CatIII : We have differing viewpoints on this. I maintain that he has incentive to merge the company. Agree to disagree?
180 TWAL1011 : I love all this "look at the books" talk. Did they go up to the dusty attic and pull out secret 10-column ledgers from the vault? It must be the "secr
181 United1 : Lol, I will agree with you on that hes got incentive to merge UA...what I was commenting on originally was another poster who said that he hes desper
182 United1 : They are probably more then welcome to stay in Skyteam if they wanted to however, and this is total speculation seen on here, with the Anti Trust Imm
183 PDXCessna206 : Money spread way too thin. Airlines are doing drastic things to keep their prices lower than the many others. I know that is capitalism, however.
184 Post contains links Jacobcal : The headline on Fark.com/business has the best quote! Dear Unite​d Airli​nes,​ it's not you, it's me. Wait.​.​.​.​no,​ it IS you. BFF,
185 CuriousFlyer : I am glad they will not merge with UA, CO deserves to keep their unique qualities that make them the best US airline. As for leaving SkyTeam, it is a
186 CatIII : Desperate? Agreed...he's not desperate. Although, he may be anxious...
187 AirFrnt : Bold prediction: Southwest may chase UA out of Denver. Even bolder prediction: Continental has made the decision to wait for UA To go bankrupt on it'
188 MasseyBrown : I don't think the big UA numbers would have been a surprise, but I bet CO was horrified by DEN and ORD details and the clear understanding of how muc
189 United1 : Most companies (smart ones at least and CO is) dont base their business plans on hopping that their competitors fall apart. They can have plans in pl
190 AirFrnt : WN and AA both made plans to take advantage of their competitors failing in the 80s. It helped slingshot both to where they are now. Unless, in a UA
191 AznMadSci : Keep CO, My CO!!!
192 United1 : Absolutely you make contingency plans for what ifs, take the US government for instance did you know that they have a contingency plan in place for w
193 Burkhard : Congratulation to the CO employees, CO share holders, CO passengers. There are hard times with a lot of work in front of you, but CO is in a better sh
194 Beaucaire : I'm glad finally one person mentions LH and their relationship with United.. LH need a strong and viable partner in the US.Their investment in Jetblu
195 HNL-Jack : Well said!
196 AgentXE1225 : I too am THRILLED that the merger got axed! But what, if anything, will this mean for ExpressJet, especially those of us d.b.a Continental Express? Ev
197 1821 : How about CO merging with OA??????????? OA need all the help they can get lol
198 VictorKilo : ....and in their investigation if they should merge with another carrier, they would re-run each of those contingency plans for the merged carrier, a
199 Rbgso : Finally a sane statement. We have been fed a load of oral flatulence lately how high oil prices will force airlines to merge. Not true, and thankfull
200 Post contains links Hiflyer : Noticed that one analyst this morning has already downgraded CO but left UA rated higher.... http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080428/airlines_ahead_of_the_bell
201 EXAAUADL : Smart move on their part. They see that UA is their only real potential partner. This leaves desperate UA to form a merger with US...UA/US will be a d
202 EMB170 : I like the way you think. Question is, can any of our friends at HA enlighten us as to HA's cost structure? Is it in line with what CO currently has,
203 AA1818 : With UA so eager to merge, it almost appears as if they are seaching for a way out. Might it not be profitable to the shareholders for UA to be split
204 MasseyBrown : Ask Mesa. On the advantage of a Oneworld alliance, I wish they had a European hub in addition to overcrowded, delay-prone LHR. (MAD is a little too f
205 EMB170 : or CLE-LHR/MAN...
206 Jacobin777 : A small bit of trivia. According to the "Faber Report" on CNBC a few minutes ago, the Corporate HQ of the merged company would have been in Chicago.
207 BOSSAN : HEL certainly isn't too far south! Too bad about ZRH. BUD is in a reasonable location for Central and Eastern Europe, but doesn't have the O&D for mu
208 EMB170 : EU revoking Open Skies? Puh-lease...they can't even get the Italian Government to stop bailing out AZ time after time after time... Moreover, many co
209 Hiflyer : A lot of news articles implied that a lot had been worked out over the months between the two carriers....from Board positions to location of senior
210 N844AA : During advanced (and frequently not so advanced) negotiations, things are said/disclosed/exchanged that aren't made public in the normal course of bu
211 Beaucaire : SN unfortunately for them have a general-manager without strategy neither ball.s. They should have joined an alliance for ages but lack of particular
212 TWAL1011 : Haha the truth hurts. Continental always has to defend that it deserves to be considered. We're number four!
213 TWAL1011 : Of course it would have been. I mean it is Chicago and United. Sorry Continental is not United and Houston is no Chicago. Continental is headed for T
214 MasseyBrown : For decades UA's premier services at their best have seemed to be on a par with what everybody else was doing 5-10 years earlier. It has always made
215 Socalfive : This is exactly what I predicted in previous threads and prayed for in private. Continental continues its tradition of quality leadership keeping its
216 LAXdude1023 : And the mystery of why CO backed out continues to get deeper. I told you Kellner and company would never move to Chicago. I think UA tried to call th
217 ExFATboy : I'm very happy about this decision, as I had severe doubts about a CO-UA tie-up. Well, in all fairness I'd point out that only UA's management has sai
218 Hondah35 : If Tilton could keep his mouth shut for 2 minutes, UA might be able to find a suitable merger partner. As it stands, his quotes are so tinged with des
219 Post contains links United1 : Absolutely they do and I'm sure that UA and CO both ran the numbers, however just to clarify my answer was not directed twords a merger situation rat
220 Post contains links Jacobin777 : . From the report, it was stated that basically L.K. was going to practically run the entire operation along with most of CO's senior management. Tou
221 MasseyBrown : Nice, but once again they're followers, not trend-setters.
222 ExFATboy : I may have some doubts as to whether UA is viable as a stand-alone carrier, but I have those doubts about some other carriers too. But Tilton is the
223 EXAAUADL : This is the most ridiculous post Ive read in sometime......DL isnt not eating CO's lunch in NYC. DL has launched some good international points, but
224 CALPSAFltSkeds : What a sorry post. The guys down on Smith St. were thinking the exact same thing (with the opposite opinion) until you got to the TWA land comments a
225 United1 : Following who? Foreign carriers sure, but there competitors are US based and no US carrier has a F&J seat to match what UA is installing. Oh I think
226 Pbb152 : Hey genius, UA is the one headed for TWA land. Then CO can be #3. Let's put a friendly wager on which airline between UA and CO goes under. I've seen
227 Fly4zip : TWAL1011, you need to grow up.
228 Ikramerica : DL J seat is just as nice. AA has had an F suite for 10 years (and UA has had a pod, too). AA's suite is roomier than the F product UA is installing,
229 AirNZ : [quote=Commavia,reply=161]And I'm sure that is a trade-off Washington would be happy to make. But I highly doubt Open Skies will be revoked anyway - t
230 Ikramerica : ? The treaty does not say: "we will implement Cabotage at a later date." It says that we will resume talks and the EU has the right to try to back ou
231 United1 : The one that they are planning on installing on the 767 in a year or so is...
232 Commavia : This isn't the thread for it, and this argument has gone on, back and forth, over and over, so many times here on A.net that it's not even necessary
233 MasseyBrown : If that represents UA's corporate thinking, no wonder they're behind. I'd say their competitors are not just US airlines, but any airlines selling ti
234 United1 : Your right they should be able to however, with the state that the US airlines are in right now, none of then can afford to swap all F&J seats out fo
235 MCOflyer : Thank goodness. Leave CO alone or merge them with someone who will not bury them. Hunter
236 Ikramerica : Not to mention that this vaunted foreign carriers often only update some aircraft anyway. They have so called "regional" aircraft that they get away
237 STT757 : I'm sorry but DL even post merger with NWA is never going to "eat" CO's lunch in the NYC market, CO handles more than double the number of passengers
238 RJFlyer0891 : Numbers don't lie.......and did I mention ?
239 Rockinflyer : Best thing for UA (and probably US) is to dismantle them both. Sell off the desirable assets to AA/CO/DL-NW who can do the "heavy lifting". Theres a
240 MasseyBrown : How is a passenger going to feel who gets the new F on his outbound flight , followed by one of the "vintage aircraft" on his return? The perceived d
241 ExFATboy : True, but at the same time they come across as not believing the company is viable in its current form. So if they can't find a merger partner, that
242 United1 : I think that we are just going to have to agree to disagree to disagree on this one, we are both interpreting Tiltons words in two different ways.
243 HNL-Jack : UA has never indicated they were willing to sell off parts of the airline. What's been discussed is selling such non-flying activities as MP, outsour
244 CALTECH : I'll second this. Apologies to all current United employees, but United would be the last airline Continental should merge with, what with Uniteds' c
245 COalways : Pay Back is a B@t^h now look who's the cream of the crop and look at United they cant even stand on one leg. United new slogan should be Here Today,
246 Burnsie28 : So here is my thought on this, if NW/DL merge and UA/US merger, I can see Continental biting themselves because they may just get destroyed.
247 RL757PVD : As i said in post # 22.. They will need to do something to offset being an extremely distant # 4. While they havea good existing network, as everyone
248 NorCal : Assuming all of the mergers gets approved, and assuming that UA/US don't destroy themselves first. Those two airlines are arguably the weakest airlin
249 MCOflyer : Amen, I do not want to see that. I am in the bet with the steak dinner MX757 and CALTECH. Hunter
250 Socalfive : That's all BS, these airlines are going to be forced into downsizing during this economy, we're already seeing the beginnings of that and CO won't be
251 COalways : I luagh at some of these Mergers they are a quick fix for now but can they bite the bullet and exceed for many many years to come? I really cant see C
252 RL757PVD : If everyone downsizes, Co included (your words, not mine) then they will be just as distant, but everyone will be smaller. think of it from a globabl
253 N844AA : Their current program of organic growth might just be that. I think CO appears to be right-sized right now, or at least as close as any of the networ
254 CALTECH : Would this be the same as when Continental was destroyed when AA/TWA merged ? Seems as though Continental and Southwest made it through just fine bac
255 Nuggetsyl : Why do a few people assume that continental will downsize? Yes this year and possibly next you will see a small decrease in domestic capacity because
256 Cubsrule : Interesting analogy... it's worth noting that in 2008, AA is significantly smaller than the sum of the parts, as is US/HP. That's a trend I expect DL
257 MasseyBrown : Of the potential "big three", DL/NW may actually have a chance of making 1+1= something more than 1.6. US/UA isn't a merger, it's a suicide pact. As
258 SHUPirate1 : Just an FYI to everybody, according to their article in this month's Continental Magazine, Continental has the highest percentage of mainline capacity
259 COalways : In this day in Age CO will be the first Legacy to have more international destinations and flying then they do domestic!
260 Ikramerica : Again, I can generally get anywhere I want to go on CO except in the west, where you have to go to IAH and backtrack. It's a great company if you are
261 United1 : Just for fairness sake, US has around 200 aircraft on order as well.
262 Nuggetsyl : This i did not know. What are they getting???
263 United1 : 4 A359s RR Powered 18 A358s RR Powered 25 A332s PW Powered? 37 A321s IAE Powered 51 A320s IAE Powered 9 A319s IAE Powered 15 A318s (these keep gettin
264 RJFlyer0891 : Do you know how many, if any of the Airbus narrowbodies were original HP orders that were transferred over?
265 United1 : I'm not sure actually, I know that US/HP ordered something around 75+ Airbus narrowbodies as well as 10 A332s back in October of 07. Figuring out who
266 TN757Flyer : Somewhat off topic here but not really. Despite the "official definition" of a legacy airline, isn't it time for people to start including Southwest
267 Cubsrule : Given that WN is the only carrier that has succeeded without the hub and spoke model (and I realize that some of the other 'legacies' employ the mode
268 Post contains links Mariner : Southwest CEO Kelly has effectively ruled out any merger, at least for now: http://www.baltimoresun.com/business...al-bz.delta24apr24,0,4366794.story
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