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User currently offlineLasflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 14 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4568 times:

I recently flew AA overseas. While collecting the meal trays, I noticed the F/A's taking off uneaten rolls which were individually packaged. They were also taking the individually sealed water cups off separately. Later, next to the galley, they set up a service station -- with the rolls and water. While the practice is somewhat disgusting and cost-saving, is it violating any sanitary standards?

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

No more disgusting than reusing pillows without washing them, or blankets. That practice likely spreads more disease than the off chance somebody wiped snot on the outside of an uneaten roll package.


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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

Are you sure they were the same rolls? Anyway, if they were the same, that is pretty nasty.


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User currently offlineLIA310 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Mar 2008, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4508 times:



Quoting Lasflyer (Thread starter):

Since the water and rolls were sealed, whats unsanitary about re-serving them ? Would you rather them throw away the rolls and water ? Instead I would be giving the F/A's a handshake for not wasting the rolls and water ! There's too many hungry ppl all over the world now to be wasting food and especially water  flamed 


User currently offline787onfinal From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

How is that nasty? Even if there are the same the were wrapped. Have you ever given some one you didn't know a piece of gum It was wraped. In the airline business today you have to get every penny out of it.

[Edited 2008-04-27 15:26:43]

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4480 times:

I am going to stick a sealed twinkie down my shorts, then give it to you. Will you eat it?

The point is, you don't know what the people did with the rolls, if they have filthy hands or wiped their nose and then grabbed them, etc., so putting them back in a pile for others to take, then open and use those same hands that just touched the contaminated wrapper with to eat with, means you are easily propagating the transfer of disease from mouth to mouth via a vehicle, the wrapped roll.



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User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4443 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
I am going to stick a sealed twinkie down my shorts, then give it to you. Will you eat it?

The point is, you don't know what the people did with the rolls, if they have filthy hands or wiped their nose and then grabbed them, etc., so putting them back in a pile for others to take, then open and use those same hands that just touched the contaminated wrapper with to eat with, means you are easily propagating the transfer of disease from mouth to mouth via a vehicle, the wrapped roll.

I 100% agree with you !! I know i would never reuse anything off a passengers tray !! After seeing how a lot of trays come in i could think of nothing worse than eating anything off that tray sealed or not !!!



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User currently offlineGosimeon From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

There's nothing wrong with this, it would be a waste to throw it away unconsumed.

The products haven't been opened; what's the problem?

If somebody picks up a loaf of bread in a shop, and then changes their mind, does that disgust you?

 Wow!


User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1987 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4297 times:

That makes me ill. I'm bringing a bagged meal next time.

User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4144 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
The point is, you don't know what the people did with the rolls, if they have filthy hands or wiped their nose and then grabbed them, etc., so putting them back in a pile for others to take, then open and use those same hands that just touched the contaminated wrapper with to eat with, means you are easily propagating the transfer of disease from mouth to mouth via a vehicle, the wrapped roll.



Quoting Nzrich (Reply 6):
I 100% agree with you !! I know i would never reuse anything off a passengers tray !! After seeing how a lot of trays come in i could think of nothing worse than eating anything off that tray sealed or not !!!



Quoting Gosimeon (Reply 7):
The products haven't been opened; what's the problem?

So how about this for thought.... fast food chains usually have a bowl with foil packages of ketchup. What about those? Do you use them? Have you ever thought that there are people that put excess packages back?


User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4105 times:



Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 9):
So how about this for thought.... fast food chains usually have a bowl with foil packages of ketchup. What about those? Do you use them? Have you ever thought that there are people that put excess packages back?

Yes but in most fast food outlets you get rid of everything on the try into the rubbish and after being in a few the staff do the same when cleaning tables so yes i would rather take that ketchup !! If you have been a flight attendant and seen the state of the trays when they are returned believe me you would not touch anything on that tray sealed or not ..

A high percentage of people just throw their used napkin on their tray over everything .. Now where has that napkin been nose mouth and now on that package which is then reused to give out for snacks later now would you want to touch it ???? Let alone after unwrapping it then putting those fingers on the sandwich and straight into your mouth .. I wonder how many bacteria would be on it after its been sitting out of refrigeration for hours ..



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4081 times:



Quoting Nzrich (Reply 10):
A high percentage of people just throw their used napkin on their tray over everything .. Now where has that napkin been nose mouth and now on that package which is then reused to give out for snacks later now would you want to touch it ???? Let alone after unwrapping it then putting those fingers on the sandwich and straight into your mouth .. I wonder how many bacteria would be on it after its been sitting out of refrigeration for hours ..

At first I thought it was not a bad idea but when I read the above post and gave it some serious thought I have to agree it is kind of disgusting to think about. I think that I am going to have a shower now after thinking about this post.



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2386 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4008 times:



Quoting Lasflyer (Thread starter):
I recently flew AA overseas. While collecting the meal trays, I noticed the F/A's taking off uneaten rolls which were individually packaged. They were also taking the individually sealed water cups off separately. Later, next to the galley, they set up a service station -- with the rolls and water. While the practice is somewhat disgusting and cost-saving, is it violating any sanitary standards?

It is common practice here at AA for flights with a meal.

It is not something that the company states to do. In fact there is no such mention of doing this in any AA policy.

Now, the reason most Crews do this is because there is nothing else that AA provides passengers in between meals. So when passengers come back for a "snack", this is what is on offer.

While I agree that it is not the most hygienic practice, at least these Flight Attendants are taking the time to do something extra. Making something out of nothing since AA does not offer much to begin with on their longhaul flights.



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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 733 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3952 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
The point is, you don't know what the people did with the rolls, if they have filthy hands or wiped their nose and then grabbed them, etc., so putting them back in a pile for others to take, then open and use those same hands that just touched the contaminated wrapper with to eat with, means you are easily propagating the transfer of disease from mouth to mouth via a vehicle, the wrapped roll.

It does not bother me in the least.

Humans are dirty creatures. Everything in our lives is full of germs yet we still shake hands, touch door handles and use public toilets. The wrapper is designed to keep the food fresh and clean.

Personally it breaks my heart to see food thrown away. If it can be fed to another hungry person that is good. If not it should be fed to an animal, but it should almost never be put in the trash.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineSKORD From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3905 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Reply 13):
It does not bother me in the least.

I totally agree with AJMIA. We now live in a society where people are completely paranoid about hygiene. We are immune to many germs, bugs and diseases because we HAVE been in contact with them and built up immunity. And Well done AA Crew... its nice to hear they actually use initiative in order to provide a slightly better service.


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3332 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

I'm with the camp that says it doesn't bother them. I'd be thankful for the opportunity for a snack mid flight...

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3860 times:
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It's very tacky and frugal. Shame on you AA. I feel for all of you who work the cabins on AA. It just seems to get worse and worse.

User currently offlinePhatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

I don't blame LasFlyer or others who do not agree with what AA is doing. It's an unsanitary procedure. Perhaps AA can change it so they can offer the roll and water as a seperate item rather than putting it on the tray

Quoting SKORD (Reply 14):
We now live in a society where people are completely paranoid about hygiene.

Since most US companies only give 2 weeks of sick time, people are conditioned to avioding falling ill.


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

I guess some people aren't worried about putting their hands and mouth were others, that possibly were sick, have touched.


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User currently offlineKL642 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 350 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

Anyone that thinks this is disgusting should feel free to call their city's health department and tell them about it. I personally think that as long as the rolls and water cups are sealed there isn't a problem.
Alex


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3701 times:

I hate to be the barer of bad news but I have seen this on most major airlines and according to Health and Saftey rules is NOT illegal.

If it is a early am departure customers get on and just want to sleep so they leave there tray. They then wake up wanting more food. As long as the items are individually wrapped and not tampered with there is nothing stopping the airlines using them in as you call it service stations. If the items where not wrapped that is or sealed that is another thing entirely

I know that at BA the problem of customers sleeping through the first service and wanting something to eat well before the second service or even just getting hungry because they can't find anything else to do on a 12 hour day flight was such a problem a third mid flight service was added on daylight sectors from BLR/DAC/CCU/PEK/PVG/MRU/CPT and a few others that I have forgotten in WTP and WT.. The third service was a sandwich, a biscuit and a water cup let in a small box. This meant pax receive a hot Breakfast and on the tray there is OJ, Fruit, Cheese, Crackers, Bread, Danish and a Hot meal. ( Which we are recommended to get all customers to eat) , the midflight snack box ( the 3rd service) and a Bar and hot meal 2 hours before arrival in London.

There is also 4 what we call tuck boxes with chocolate bars, crisps and savoury snacks loaded on all these flights also on flights over 9 hours. Also on longer far east services such as NRT/SIN/HKG/BKK/PVG and PEK. Cup noodles are loaded. On flights from CCU and DAC in particular the caterers load a trolley full of samosas and sandwiches for the galley as extra snacks on top of all previously mentioned in WTP and WT cabins. Often this is not enough. We couldn't carry anymore food but the most annoying thing is the amount dumped on the floor and put into hand luggage . All because the customer knows that it is there and if they don't have something the don't think they have received the full service from the carrier.

In WT and WTP on flights where cup noodles aren't used they can be reused as they are sealed containers but all the other food is usually consumed by the customers onboard. With very little wastage.

On BA customer in CW of course benefit from the club kitchen range and First benefit from the eat anytime menu.


User currently offlineLasflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

Thanks to everyone for the feeback. The flight in question was NRT-DFW. It was about 12 hours. There were three meals served: hot lunch, mid-flight snack and continental breakfast. On the outbound, a basket was set up with cookies and the snacks served with drinks (American now charges for alcohol on long-haul). I was sitting towards the back and noticed plenty of snacks left on the return. Couldn't the crew have put those out instead? At least they were not on someone elses tray.

User currently offlineKevinDCA From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 105 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

First of all, it is NOT AA policy to recycle things off the meal trays and use them as mid-flight service items, so all of you saying "shame on you AA", forget about it, it's the individual fa's doing this on their own initiative. They're just trying to offer perfectly good food or water that would otherwise be thrown away. There are more crews than not who wouldn't even think of doing this.

User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

Well I used to eat desserts off First class meal trays that appeared untouched. Big grin


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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3213 times:
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[quote=KevinDCA,reply=22]First of all, it is NOT AA policy to recycle things off the meal trays and use them as mid-flight service items, so all of you saying "shame on you AA", forget about it, it's the individual fa's doing this on their own initiative. They're just trying to offer perfectly good food or water that would otherwise be thrown away. There are more crews than not who wouldn't even think of doing this.
I apreciate what your thoughts KevinDCA, but it is a shame that FA management doesn't watch this. It's not appropriate to serve food to someone else that has been on someone else's tray period. I've seen too many things happen as an RN and these are just my thoughts period. I don't care if it's packaged or not packaged.


25 TG992 : You'd better not fly your own airline's longhaul then, since it's a common practise for us to take unused sealed cheese and crackers off used trays t
26 TristanHNL : Working in healthcare, I am a bit of a germophobe. But at the same time I hate seeing food go to waste...The solution: open the package and never let
27 FRAspotter : Doesn't really bother me. Considering some of the really dirty surfaces we humans touch every day without thinking about it, this issue seems pretty
28 Nzrich : Yeah im sure it does but i can tell you i have never done it !! I could not serve something that was on someones tray and been returned .. As for sna
29 LHR777 : What's to say the caterer didn't shove that sealed twinkie down his shorts before placing it on your tray? Out of sight, out of mind, right? The same
30 BrianDromey : One of our lecturers began a lecture with "You are all filthy creatures, totally disgusting" why? Because on the human body 90% of all cells are micro
31 Enginebird : Well, how about individually wrapped sandwiches (or candy, or drinks or whatever...) from your local 7/11 or store 24? I see people all the time who
32 Boeing777/747 : AA.... Amsterdam Airlines???
33 Rscaife1682 : I 100% agree with you !! I know i would never reuse anything off a passengers tray !! After seeing how a lot of trays come in i could think of nothing
34 Intermodal64 : The seats, blankets, pillows, armrests, magazines that we touch with our hands before eating are probably all dirtier than the wrapping of a sealed cr
35 EXAAUADL : If they are packaged, this isnt nasty at all.
36 AA767400 : Because the company said that it did not promote a "Professional image". Now, anyone who has flown on AA knows that most of their aircraft, and servi
37 AA767400 : We do put out left over snack boxes for passengers to have. But sometimes there are not any left to put out, especially out of NRT where they cater t
38 Davescj : I agree. And a great service it is too!! Flying CW, it is nice to be able to get something light when you want. I have heard stories. I'll leave it t
39 QQflyboy : What's more amazing is the people who are freaked about these sealed rolls get on airplanes at all. If you really have issues with this practice, you
40 L1011Lover : Huh??? Well then I really don't understand how you can buy thingsfrom a store??? Or better yet eat something that was preapared in a reastaurant kitc
41 L1011Lover : It's a common practice on almost every airline... not only AA... and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it... As long as the things are wrapped a
42 Pnwtraveler : Beginning to sound a lot like Howard Hughes who went through boxes of kleenex everyday because he wouldn't touch anything unclean. He eventually becam
43 Davescj : And you don't even want to see a restaurant kitchen. Having seen a couple.......I'll take the sealed roll, thank you. Dave
44 OA412 : I've seen DL FA's do this too and I found nothing wrong with helping myself to it when I got a bit hungry mid flight. I don't see what's so disgusting
45 LACA773 : No but that's why you wash it when you get it home not to mention if you buy organic and what's in the ground. The bottom line for me is, I find it fr
46 Contrails : As long as the items are wrapped and intact it wouldn't bother me. I don't find it particularly unsanitary. After all, I'm in a sealed tube with 100+
47 DC10Widebody : WOW People chill out, they are sealed...so unless you planned on licking the outside of the wrapper I don't see what the problem is! You do know there
48 GT4EZY : I've dropped packaged breadrolls on the cabin floor before and put them on the tray again.....in front of passengers. Why? Because they are packaged a
49 L1011Lover : I really don't understand what the fuzz is all about. Taking unused, sealed and wrapped things off used trays has been a common practice on almost ev
50 Crjjetboy : I think it is a great jester. Back when we used to have food service on our flights on the last leg back home I would take the uneaten pre packaged sa
51 DTWAGENT : If a resturant did something like this. The health department would be all over their backs and fine them. They are made to throw out all left overs.
52 SKORD : Good Grief! This is ridiculous! Get over yourselves people! This stuff is sealed, un-touched by human hands, and just as safe as it was when it left t
53 Longhornmaniac : Couldn't have said it better myself! Cheers, Cameron
54 SKORD : Thank you Cameron, at least there is 1 other sensible person here!!
55 Nws2002 : Frugal is a GOOD thing! Any business needs to be as efficient as possible in order to maximize profits. Additional catering increases costs, turn tim
56 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : Pinkies up....What the hell is the difference between a packaged roll and buying a packaged candy bar in a corner store. Never mind a candy bar...what
57 SKORD : Well said.... hysteria isnt in it! However... Not many comments recently about how "revolting. disgusting , shocking, horrifying etc etc tec blah bla
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