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User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1455 times:

I just got back from ROC. I was surprised to find all security screeners were from a private company. There was not a TSA agent in sight. I'm no fan of the TSA, but isn't the whole point of their existance to create a uniifrom prescence at all airports nationwide?


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22303 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1449 times:



Quoting Bok269 (Thread starter):
I'm no fan of the TSA, but isn't the whole point of their existance to create a uniifrom prescence at all airports nationwide?

The private screener program was a pilot program that began shortly after the TSA was constituted. SFO and MCI also have private screeners... the point was/is to compare their work to TSA screeners... I suspect they're better by most objective measures, but I'd be curious to know what you thought of ROC. I've not been there.



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User currently offlineNicksair From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 484 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1427 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
The private screener program was a pilot program that began shortly after the TSA was constituted. SFO and MCI also have private screeners... the point was/is to compare their work to TSA screeners... I suspect they're better by most objective measures, but I'd be curious to know what you thought of ROC. I've not been there.

I went thru ROC about 2 weeks ago, the screeners i had were excellent and VERY VERY friendly.. probably among the more friendlier ive encountered in the aviation system here in the US.

Nick



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User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1412 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
but I'd be curious to know what you thought of ROC.

I saw no difference between TSA and the private guys. Some were very unprofessional, others were decent. A few were courteous. They set up a secondary screening point at our gate, and from what I could see those searches were mediocre at best.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22303 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1406 times:



Quoting Bok269 (Reply 3):
I saw no difference between TSA and the private guys.

Very interesting; the consensus around here seems to be that the SFO screeners are excellent (and FWIW, my experience confirms that).



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1387 times:

My home airport is MCI and I find that the security folks there are generally nicer than the TSA folks. Always a bad one, and always a good TSA one, but in general...

User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5343 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

Yeah, unfortunately, IMO anyway, as useless as the TSA as an organization is, the TSA does have a bad rap (maybe rightly so), and to be honest, as somebody who flies 4 times every week, from various airports, I can't remember the time I had a 'bad' or rude TSA guy.

In my case of course, but it true for many, the TSA rarely has a chance to be rude to me. They check my ID/pass, and perhaps ask if I have any liquids in my bag. That's about it. In fact, if I had to fill in a survey, I'd say the TSA on average were very polite.

Now on the other hand, ask me how many times a gate agent was rude! I could tell you a story from every trip, and I had my worse one ever last Friday.

Now, if you think the contract security guys are better - they probably should be. Check out how much they charge us, the taxpayer, for their services, and you'll agree.

Jimbo



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22303 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1363 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 6):
Now, if you think the contract security guys are better - they probably should be. Check out how much they charge us, the taxpayer, for their services, and you'll agree.

Wasn't the original theory of the privatization experiment that the costs were to be similar? It's been 5 years, so I may be remembering wrongly.



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5343 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1350 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):


Quoting Bond007 (Reply 6):
Now, if you think the contract security guys are better - they probably should be. Check out how much they charge us, the taxpayer, for their services, and you'll agree.

Wasn't the original theory of the privatization experiment that the costs were to be similar? It's been 5 years, so I may be remembering wrongly.

I guess perhaps the other way of looking at it then, is "Wow, what the heck is the TSA doing with all that money"  Wink

Jimbo



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22303 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1338 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 8):
I guess perhaps the other way of looking at it then, is "Wow, what the heck is the TSA doing with all that money"

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I flew into STL really late, maybe 2230 or 2300, a couple of months ago. As I exited, I noticed that there were 6 screeners sitting around apparently supervising the exit. The checkpoint was closed. I was glad to see my money hard at work...



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4467 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1340 times:

I fly to ROC about six times per year, and haven't seen a difference between the private McNeil security personnel there and the TSA personnel I've encountered elsewhere. Most TSA people I deal with at most airports are polite and professional, some friendly, and once in a while a grouch. Though I haven't seen a grouch at ROC yet. I've never waited more than 10 minutes for security at ROC.

Now, if you think the contract security guys are better - they probably should be. Check out how much they charge us, the taxpayer, for their services, and you'll agree. Jimbo

Where does one find figures for the cost of operating individual airport security stations? Where are the figures that back up this statement?

Jim


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