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Cedar Rapids To Get Nonstop To LGA Thanks To Eagle  
User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3533 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3838 times:

Starting July 2 with an ER3, according to the Cedar Rapids Gazette:

http://www.gazetteonline.com/apps/pb...S/131617901/-1/rss01&rssfeed=rss01

Apparently this will be the 12th non-stop destination from CID, but the first non-hub airport served by any carrier. Plugging in the dates into AA.com, the times sure aren't conducive to what a biz traveler would want:

4864
CID - LGA, 1:35 PM CST - 05:05 PM EST

4862
LGA - CID, 11:15 AM EST - 1:10 PM CST

It pretty much sounds like the most inconvenient schedule ever. You basically have to lose a whole day's worth of business to allow for the traveling - taking the whole afternoon to get to NYC and then having to leave late morning to get back to CID, not to mention the fact that it would be impossible to get there and back in the same day non-stop (and really inconvenient if you connect in ORD or STL for one leg).

I don't see this flight doing very well ... thoughts?


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

Already posted;
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/3955800



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3825 times:



Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
It pretty much sounds like the most inconvenient schedule ever

designed to fail


User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

Thats a whole lot of fuel to move 37 seats between 2 points. Fares are going to have to be high just to offset the fuel costs. High fares mean seats will fly empty, or at a loss. Then throw in the competitive response from NWA, and this will turn into another FNT.

User currently offlineDbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3801 times:



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
Already posted;

Wow, you sure didn't waste any time pointing that out.

Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
It pretty much sounds like the most inconvenient schedule ever. You basically have to lose a whole day's worth of business to allow for the traveling - taking the whole afternoon to get to NYC and then having to leave late morning to get back to CID, not to mention the fact that it would be impossible to get there and back in the same day non-stop (and really inconvenient if you connect in ORD or STL for one leg).

I don't see this flight doing very well ... thoughts?

Eric, you're looking at this all wrong. It allows you to get into NYC early enough to go out in Manhattan, close the bars at 4am..and you enough time to recover the next morning before your flight back to Iowa. But seriously, I think this route has a chance.

Eagle seems to be killing Pinnacle on the LGA flight out of DSM. There have been several times I have been on the NW flight DSM-LGA with less than 10 passengers on board. Remember..Eagle is using a 35 seat ERJ so it won't take much to get decent loads on it. Also, the departing flight from LGA leaves at a rather slow time at LGA so it shouldn't be extremely delayed returning to Iowa.


User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

CID-LGA, not sure of the market. The times they are running it, I can say no that does suck, unless you are a shift worker and commute. That doesn't make a lot of sense. Sounds like someone lobbied to get a straight NY flight that maybe fits their needs, or they set it up just so it would fail. Someone got paid good money to come up with that idea though.


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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3845 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Wow, those times are great for......noone. You can't even make a same day roundtrip to NYC.

Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
I don't see this flight doing very well ... thoughts?

I agree with you there.


User currently offlineDbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3767 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 5):
CID-LGA, not sure of the market. The times they are running it, I can say no that does suck, unless you are a shift worker and commute. That doesn't make a lot of sense. Sounds like someone lobbied to get a straight NY flight that maybe fits their needs, or they set it up just so it would fail. Someone got paid good money to come up with that idea though.

Or could it be that AA only had a slot available for those times and had to put it to use somewhere or risk losing it. Maybe they're testing this route and this is the only slot they had available.


User currently offlineCrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 802 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3748 times:
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Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
4864
CID - LGA, 1:35 PM CST - 05:05 PM EST

4862
LGA - CID, 11:15 AM EST - 1:10 PM CST

Looks like it's timed more for international connections than anything else.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3722 times:



Quoting CrAAzy (Reply 8):
Looks like it's timed more for international connections than anything else.

that would be nice if LGA actually had any.


User currently offlineCharlipr From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2005, 340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3711 times:



Quoting CrAAzy (Reply 8):
Looks like it's timed more for international connections than anything else

That is a CrAAzy thing to say, unless they are banking on people tranferring to JFK!!!


User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3711 times:



Quoting CrAAzy (Reply 8):
Looks like it's timed more for international connections than anything else.

That does make sense. If you have enough people hopping in intl flights from CID that could work. Then again I've never been to CID. That's one of the routes I missed when I flew for Trans States. Does Trans States still have the STL-CID run?

Quoting Dbo861 (Reply 4):
Eric, you're looking at this all wrong. It allows you to get into NYC early enough to go out in Manhattan, close the bars at 4am..and you enough time to recover the next morning before your flight back to Iowa.

Or people from NY can come in and party in CID. Once again, never been there. But I have been to Iowa. I do have family there, but we always somehow meet in VA or SC. No one seems to want to got to IA for some reason. Just kidding, it's just that most of the family is on the East Coast and it's easier to meat at my parents' house in VA or my great aunt's house in SC.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11840 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3696 times:

Every is saying this route's timing will kill it - but let's not forget that Eagle's LaGuardia-Madison-LaGuardia flights have been around for several years with virtually the same schedule as this and have done okay.

If Eagle can capture enough of the O&D market that is willing to travel at off-peak times, which I don't think is impossible, it may just survive. If not, it will just end up being another flight to Raleigh!


User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3663 times:

Hmm sounds like Rockwell Collins needed a trip to New York. But what bad times.

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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3533 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3656 times:



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
Already posted;
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...55800

The times weren't though - which is a very relevant issue to this new flight.



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User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

Timings suck. As does AA's choice of destination. Maybe something like SBN or FWA could have been a better choice?
LGA-FWA would complement existing AA flights to ORD and DFW. And LGA-SBN would mean AA's return to the region, which has zero flights to the northeast.


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3533 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3605 times:



Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 15):
As does AA's choice of destination. Maybe something like SBN or FWA could have been a better choice?
LGA-FWA would complement existing AA flights to ORD and DFW. And LGA-SBN would mean AA's return to the region, which has zero flights to the northeast.

Why would South Bend or Ft. Wayne be better? It's not like Cedar Rapids has any flights to the region either.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11840 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3602 times:



Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 15):
And LGA-SBN would mean AA's return to the region, which has zero flights to the northeast.

I doubt AA/Eagle would ever start a new RJ destination with just a single RJ flight to a city other than DFW or Chicago.


User currently offlineJamman From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

I'm all for new services to CID (I travel there several times a year) but its something out of the twilight zone, although someone surely must have run the numbers on it and looked at the amount of people currently connecting through ORD to NY.

[Edited 2008-04-28 14:34:50]


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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9500 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3535 times:



Quoting BP1 (Reply 13):

Rockwell Collins folk can afford to go for more than just a day.


Also, it's not just Cedar Rapids they can pull from ... but also Waterloo and Iowa City.



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3845 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3514 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 11):
That does make sense. If you have enough people hopping in intl flights from CID that could work.

Are they adding Int'l flights to LGA ?

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 16):
Why would South Bend or Ft. Wayne be better? It's not like Cedar Rapids has any flights to the region either.

They're closer, so you burn less fuel. Other than that I dont see a big difference.


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3488 times:



Quoting Dbo861 (Reply 4):
Remember..Eagle is using a 35 seat ERJ so it won't take much to get decent loads on it.

Remember though, that loads are irrelevant. It's yields that matter. They could fill the plane 35/35 daily and lose money hand over fist with this route. It's a toss-up, really. If they price it right (meaning low enough to get people to pay the premium for a non-stop, but high enough to at least break even), it'll obviously stay. It could also be a placeholder for another route or something. Who knows. Good luck to AE!


User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3475 times:



Quoting Dbo861 (Reply 4):
NW flight DSM-LGA with less than 10 passengers on board

The most I have ever had on my flight was 9... I am surpized NW dosent axe the route, but then again, I am not suprized what NW does any more at this pont. It would take CH7 liquidation for NW to shock me at this point. Anything to keep the chokehold on the heartland..



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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3433 times:



Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
Apparently this will be the 12th non-stop destination from CID, but the first non-hub airport served by any carrier.

yes this will be the 12th destination from CID. I don't know if we can say the first non-hub airport by any carrier, G4 does serve IWA and SFB, which I would classify as non-hub airports as well. Plus isn't LGA considered a focus city by AA? There potentially could be a few limited connections to be made there too.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
Already posted;
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...55800

might have already been posted but the subject of RDU seemed to take over that thread, plus there were no times listed in that thread.

Quoting Xtoler (Reply 11):
Does Trans States still have the STL-CID run?

yes Trans States still runs 3x daily ERJ's as American Connection to the AA hub in STL.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 19):
Also, it's not just Cedar Rapids they can pull from ... but also Waterloo and Iowa City.

very true, not only will this CID flight serve the Cedar Rapids/Iowa City market locally, this flight could also pull up from Waterloo, and also Dubuque and the Quad Cities.

I really wouldn't underestimate the potential of this flight, its not like we are in the backwoods or anything. The Cedar Rapids/Iowa City corridor immediate combined population is now up to about 400,000, plus lots of industry here in CR (Rockwell Collins, AEGON, ADM, PMX, etc) and also the University of Iowa in Iowa City could help fill this flight.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23223 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3325 times:



Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 23):
I really wouldn't underestimate the potential of this flight, its not like we are in the backwoods or anything.

 checkmark It seems to me that if Des Moines (520,000 people) can support 2 airlines to LGA, CID can certainly support one.



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25 STLGph : Cedar Rapids has the whole "technology" corridor thing going on.
26 Post contains links Planespotting : That's right - as I'm sure you know, I-380 is the "Iowa Technology Corridor." Does every state have a "technology corridor?" I think Illinois does to
27 STLGph : they better hurry, Council Bluffs is kicking them in the butt these days.
28 Planespotting : That's true - but ... we can't really say that G4 is in the same class as the other airlines ... like, G4 doesn't use LAS as a connecting airport at
29 Soxfan : Unless I'm reading the schedule wrong, can they really turn around the plane in 25 minutes (1:10>>1:35)? Or, is it designed so that a different plane
30 Planespotting : Turning around a 37 seater in 25 mins isn't so bad - but the flights probably depend a lot on what base will be flying it. I'd imagine these flights
31 MtnWest1979 : What times would that be in EDT and CDT? Seriously, did they pick this route out of a hat? Good luck.
32 STLGph : Des Moines. Drake Relay aftermath including a shooting death. boyfriend says it was accidental, named as a suspect, but no charges filed. makes good
33 Super80DFW : They definitely need to move the CID-LGA flight to the early morning if they want it to business attractive.
34 STLGph : business attractive enough is nonstop. i'm sure AMR did enough novel homework on their own to see where a great deal of people are traveling to and f
35 MtnWest1979 : Amazing they pick now to begin the route. If they didn't deem it necessary last summer with a lot cheaper fuel, why do they think its a good thing now
36 Planespotting : Ahh Des Moines - I haven't been there since January, and probably won't be back until state fair time, now that the gf moved to Elk Grove Village. Bu
37 Super80DFW : You do have a very good point. I just thought that they would pick the time of day that most other business oriented flights are scheduled around.
38 PSU.DTW.SCE : How many people from CID are doing solely a day trip to LGA? Remember that there are a ton of connecting options over ORD to LGA. Not to mention all
39 STLGph : a lot of New York La Guardia routes are there because of block tickets bought in advance by companies. i'm sure there are a few Cedar Rapids companie
40 FlyingJHawk : If you live in the Cedar Rapids area and have business in NYC, why not take a non-stop flight versus connecting through ORD? While the times may not b
41 Planespotting : No one's doubting that a flight to LGA from CID wouldn't be useful - it's just that the times don't really make it a convenient flight for a business
42 MSNtriathlete : Living in MSN, I can attest to the fact that it's sometimes worth flying at an inconvenient time just to get a nonstop. With everything that can go wr
43 STLGph : there's a lot of travel between Cedar Rapids and New York/East Coast that is consultant-based or project-based. not a lot of day trips going on there
44 PSU.DTW.SCE : As STLGph says, this notion of the need to cater to the "one-day business trip crowd" from CID is being grossly over-stated. There is not an enormous
45 CIDflyer : Makes sense. This would, then, be the first flight by a legacy to a focus city outside their normal CID-hub routings. In the Gazette article in idica
46 Knope2001 : Something significant which I missed is that in addition to 7x to O'Hare and 2x to St Louis, AA* flies*six* daily nonstops to DFW. What does that have
47 Planespotting : Great post - nice job putting CID into perspective like that. That 6-daily to DFW is a big deal - by comparison, Des Moines, which has a higher catch
48 Knope2001 : I must admit I was totally surprised to see 6x CID-DFW and was rather sure that it was a typo in the press item I saw. I figured it was 6 daily fligh
49 Cubsrule : It's actually interesting to compare CID and MKE; MKE sees less service to DFW but more service to STL. I assume this is because AA* dominates YX* (a
50 CIDflyer : Very good post. Just wanted to clairify, on STL, CID is now up to 3x (except Sat) on the CID-STL route as well (departures at 7:20am, 10:00am and 5:0
51 STLGph : One small little detail should have been hit on more ... Do you think more people are traveling Cedar Rapids to La Guardia than are traveling La Guar
52 Knope2001 : I would guess it's more CID-originating, but that's oky a guess based on NYC being a tourist mecca and CID generally not. Business is a tougher call.
53 STLGph : Tourists will take the connecting flight because it has the lowest price
54 Milesrich : Rockwell Collins, formerly Collins Radio, headquartered in CID, has several facilities in the DFW area, and probably is the largest single user of the
55 Acey559 : There was an article in the paper here in the Quad Cities about us trying to get a nonstop to DC because the First Army is moving its HQ to the Rock
56 CIDFlyer : I am wondering if having AirTran in the MLI market holding the yields down with lower fares hurts the chances of them getting a DC flight. Certainly
57 Acey559 : It's a possibility that FL might be holding things back a bit. It seems like Bruce Carter doesn't do much without consulting FL before anyone else. Of
58 Planespotting : I'd say the biggest problem with MLI is that there are quite a few airports with jet service within 90 mins of the QCA (CID, DBQ, PIA) not to mention
59 Acey559 : I see your point. It kind of stinks because there are so many options like you mentioned. I like Bruce and think he's a nice guy, and I can see why F
60 Milesrich : As a Quad City native, I can tell you that if FL did not serve MLI, the yields might climb and the service would deteriorate. Perhaps with $4.00/gal g
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