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CO Tells CLE Mayor Hub Will Grow  
User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1099 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7011 times:

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=88241


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User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 200 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6967 times:

Continental needs Cleveland if they wish to remain number four!

User currently offlineBriGuyinHou From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6748 times:



Quoting TWAL1011 (Reply 1):

Wait a minute -- I'm not sure where you are getting this number 4 from. Continental has 3 hubs, IAH, EWR and CLE. So that makes them #3, right?



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User currently offlineLoggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6724 times:



Quoting BriGuyinHou (Reply 2):
Wait a minute -- I'm not sure where you are getting this number 4 from. Continental has 3 hubs, IAH, EWR and CLE. So that makes them #3, right?

Number 4 largest U.S. carrier...



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User currently offlineMSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6729 times:



Quoting BriGuyinHou (Reply 2):
Wait a minute -- I'm not sure where you are getting this number 4 from. Continental has 3 hubs, IAH, EWR and CLE. So that makes them #3, right?

It is the fourth-largest airline in the U.S. based on revenue passenger miles.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18683 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6705 times:

Now, what CO needs to do is to go after another major's hub.

CO offers a superior product, both domestic and international, to most other US airlines. Thus, if they start to go after someone else's hub, they might very well take it. They don't have much to gain from going after any NW hubs, but UA and the DL hubs make great sense. They could also move into the West Coast and try to gain a foothold at SAN, LAX, or SEA.

If they want to stay independent, they're going to have to fight for it, I think.


User currently offlineFlyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6694 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
They could also move into the West Coast and try to gain a foothold at SAN, LAX, or SEA.

With what space will they form a hub?


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5997 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6494 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):

Trying to make a hub in those cities would be suicide.

SEA, you just said they would have nothing to gain by going into a NW hub, but SEA is. Also, with the AS/QX there you just build into a city with a whole hell of a lot of codeshare. Not to mention SEA is not cheap to operate from with them paying off the bill for terminal A.

LAX, they have had a hub there before and dropped it. They do have a hangar there but the gate space is tight. Also LAX is just a mess right now. There would be a lot of happy CO employee's to see a hub there again, I assure you that.

SAN, low yield market! No airline has a hub there now and most likely never will.

CO needs to stay concerned on where they are, where they will slowly go to and stay ahead of all other carriers while doing it. Starting a new hub where you fly lots of flight with no LF and yields would be suicide at these oil prices. Just my opinion.

ASSFO



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User currently onlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6358 times:

There are 4 Hubs EWR,IAH,CLE and Guam ........

User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6278 times:

Yeah Guam, but the size of the Guam hub is miniscule to those on the mainland!
Can anyone see Continental opeing up a hub in a Western city that DOESN'T currently have a hub? Such as Albuquerque, San Jose or Sacramento?

[Edited 2008-04-28 19:46:41]

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6256 times:

Kellner is in CLE on Wednesday for the CEO Exchange. I wonder if he'll give any further growth plans?

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9074 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6249 times:



Quoting BriGuyinHou (Reply 2):
Wait a minute -- I'm not sure where you are getting this number 4 from. Continental has 3 hubs, IAH, EWR and CLE. So that makes them #3, right?

No CO has 4 hubs
IAH
EWR
CLE
GUM

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):

What DL hubs would they go after?
ATL? ok good luck with that one they have what 3 gates there? And that would be all they would get. DL and FL would kill CO on any route if they really wanted to. DL has a HUGE FF base here plus its one of Atlanta largest company's and supports the city very well.
CVG? point?
JFK? point?
SLC? better chance for space in Atlanta.

What UA hubs?
DEN? ha please been there done that and LOST.
ORD? no slots or space
IAD? no space
SFO? same
LAX? same as DEN. they gave DEN/LAX up along time ago. But it would make alot of people happy to see hubs in LAX and DEN but it wont happen.

happy CLE will get to grow more and not be lost to ORD.



yep.
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16691 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6238 times:

LAS and LAX both get 757-300s from CLE this Summer.


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5062 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6203 times:



Quoting Noise (Reply 9):
Such as Albuquerque, San Jose or Sacramento?

Doubtful, the only western hub I could see them opening is DEN should something unfortunate happen to UA or F9. SEA could happen if they merge with AS of course but I won't even speculate on that. CO doesn't have the aircraft to open a new hub right now anyway; they are fine fortifying their strengths first before going on an offensive.



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User currently offlineBriGuyinHou From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6112 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 11):
No CO has 4 hubs
IAH
EWR
CLE
GUM

Yes I know, I was just trying to fight an ignorant comment with one myself.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6104 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
LAS and LAX both get 757-300s from CLE this Summer.

LA$ always has a 753, on the 9am bank. LAX and IAH, the last two summers, and again this summer, get 9am 753's as well. They're always packed. I think CO should fly the 753 again to SEA, as it was always packed, too.


User currently offlineGreenair727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 544 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6060 times:

If CO switches alliances as they've suggested they might, to OneWorld or Star Alliance, what international cities do we think will be announced next (not counting CDG)? If they join OneWorld, LHR, NRT, HKG? If Star Alliance, then FRA, LIS, SIN?

User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6039 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):
I think CO should fly the 753 again to SEA, as it was always packed, too.

They are, and I believe they continue onto ANC. I'm flying the 753 on both IAH-SEA and SEA-IAH. Also, SEA is packed during the summer because of Alaskan cruises that leave out of the Port of Seattle. After summer, it slows down a bit. It's always funny to see how open the 17:30 departure is compared to how packed the 11:59 red eye SEA-IAH.

It would be interesting to see if CO increases or maintains flight schedules from IAH, EWR, and CLE. I do know when all CO gates are occupied, flights have been known to arrive and depart from the S-Concourse, but cannot remember if it's a "CUTE" gate or a NW gate.

On a slight tangent with SEA, I wonder if DL would now move to the S-concourse opening up the 2 gates in Concourse A.



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User currently onlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2715 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6014 times:



Quoting Noise (Reply 9):
Can anyone see Continental opeing up a hub in a Western city that DOESN'T currently have a hub? Such as Albuquerque, San Jose or Sacramento?

SJC: I've thought about this one once the new terminal is open at SJC. I'm just not sure it's worth it since AA has a large presence there, plus the UA hub at SFO, and large WN operation at OAK. Maybe could work, but not worth risking the cash in the present economic conditions.

SMF: Unless it can draw significant traffic from the bay area it isn't large enough to support a true hub. Perhaps the population of the SMF area plus people driving in from the central valley and Northern California could support a focus city. At least the facilities might be there with the new terminal approved.

ABQ: Way too small for a hub, even CLE sized. Also doesn't get them much in the way of traffic flows that the don't already have. It's just as easy to send people from the East coast through IAH. The traffic from smaller cities in the Rockies and West coast just aren't enough to justify a hub in ABQ. Two other problems. First, WN owns ABQ, with over 50% of traffic and would be very difficult to dislodge as the incumbent. Second, there isn't nearly enough available gate space for even a small hub. A second terminal would need to be built.



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User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5979 times:



Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 18):

Thanks for the input. The reason I asked is because it seems to me CO lacks that presence it needs in the west if it wants to properly compete with the likes of NW, UA, DL and now US as they all have a presence in the west. Continental's hubs are concentrated in the east and I was thinking about them opening a "Southwestern US" hub at ABQ similar to what US has at PHX. Either that, or a Pacific North-South hub at SJC or SMF. It seems SJC would be able to draw the most people and ABQ being the most geographically isolated. Any ways, this is probably me just dreaming but I wonder about CO sometimes and why they haven't been searching for a hub out west.


User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5937 times:

With fuel prices rising and CO losing money I cannot see CO growing Cleveland at this time.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5796 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 17):
They are, and I believe they continue onto ANC.

Not out of CLE, which is what I was referring to. We ran it one summer, and it was packed.

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 20):
With fuel prices rising and CO losing money I cannot see CO growing Cleveland at this time.

One problem with that statement: CO IS growing CLE at this time. The process started last fall.


User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 812 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5562 times:



Quoting Greenair727 (Reply 16):
If CO switches alliances as they've suggested they might, to OneWorld or Star Alliance, what international cities do we think will be announced next (not counting CDG)? If they join OneWorld, LHR, NRT, HKG? If Star Alliance, then FRA, LIS, SIN?

I don't expect much of anything to happen if/when CO switches alliances. In OneWorld, LHR makes sense (or perhaps BA would open it). If they go with Star, FRA makes some sense, but it's a real stretch for CO's 752's. That said, perhaps a 762 could be freed up with the arrival of 787's. I don't see CLE ever getting service to Asia, except maybe NRT on a 787.

Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 17):
I do know when all CO gates are occupied, flights have been known to arrive and depart from the S-Concourse,

What airport are you talking about?


User currently offlineCOalways From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5167 times:

Just ignore him hos only 1
[quote=Greenair727,reply=16]If CO switches alliances as they've suggested they might, to OneWorld or Star Alliance, what international cities do we think will be announced next (not counting CDG)? If they join OneWorld, LHR, NRT, HKG? If Star Alliance, then FRA, LIS, SIN?[/quote

I was thinking the same thing that they are going to have to switch up there international flying to that alliance Hub. There were rumors that they wanted to start up flights in the future to PRG, ICN, MOW and those are all SkyTeam Hubs and now if there going into Oneworld they already fly to alot of OneWorld Hubs they could just add in IST etc.....


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4991 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
Not out of CLE, which is what I was referring to. We ran it one summer, and it was packed.

Gotcha  thumbsup 

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 22):
What airport are you talking about?

SEA

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
CO IS growing CLE at this time. The process started last fall.

How are those new flights doing?



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25 LACA773 : 9 [ Alias1024: Update for you. AA no longer has a large presence @ SJC! They haven't had one for several years now. They are a mere bleep @ SJC compar
26 Ikramerica : If fuel prices stabilize (not go down, just grow slowly), CO will be making money shortly. If fuel prices continue to go out of control, everybody is
27 Sac : The SJC hub was started out with Continental-West, one of Franks many companies. We had a hourly shuttle between SJC and LAX. Started out with the 733
28 SANFan : I sure don't remember CO ever flying between SAN and SJC, nor do I believe CO-Lite or CO-West or whatever, ever served SAN. I must have slept through
29 LACA773 : BB, no I'm sorry you must have slept through it! I flew thru their hub on several ocasions. They had a great operation going until they took over Peo
30 COERJ : I've always thought PDX would make a great hub for Continental. Besides AS, no airline has a very large presence there. It would make a great departu
31 Post contains links EWRCabincrew : SJC was a focus city, if anything. Not a hub. We had no base there for pilots or cabin crew. We did fly a shuttle between LAX and SJC (as well as flig
32 LACA773 : Thankyou for the clarification EWRCabincrew. I apreicate it. I was not aware they didn't have any cabin crew based there. Best LACA773
33 Jacobcal : Dude, what is your deal with number four? Are your 4' feet tall... 4" inches, maybe??? What gives? CO rocks and you know it! I hope to God you dont w
34 Post contains links ABQ747 : ABQ definitely couldn't support a full-blown hub, but we could probably be a decent-sized focus city for CO. Gate space at the current terminal is ve
35 Noise : Good to see, although that info looks very dated! I wasn't suggesting that ABQ would be a full-blown hub like what PHX is for US Airways, but rather
36 Greenair727 : Anything interesting from Kellner's CLE visit today?
37 Alias1024 : I'm well aware of the master plan for ABQ. However it would take several years to get the thing built, between getting the financing set up, full blo
38 LACA773 : [quote=Alias1024,reply=37]I'm aware of the pull down of the SJC hub after 9/11. However I think their previous hub and their continued operation of th
39 Xms3200 : I thought this topic was about CLE growth, how did we navigate all the way to SJC and ABQ?????
40 CIDflyer : my thoughts exactly! Focusing back on CLE, would they continue to expand to more midwest markets out of CLE? I believe they recently added markets ou
41 Falcon84 : Perhaps when fuel prices come down, those could be some good CO Connection cities. But until the prices come down, I don't see secondary cities like
42 FUN2FLY : I think that makes sense. Due to the merger, many of those cities are fortress NW locations that will see some changes w/DL. I also feel that the lan
43 Falcon84 : It was a positive visit. He mentioned AMS an awful lot without saying anything. The new FIS, according to Larry, is out of consideration for now. It
44 MasseyBrown : I believe CO is looking for cities with higher than average RASM and enough traffic to support a reasonable ERJ load. The ERJ's probably make more -
45 CALMSP : just got back from an event in PTY............the new mag is on board. I imagine some of our CLE friends will frame this months inflight mag as it has
46 Ncflyer : You have to figure CLE-CDG will be a goner if sky team alliance falls out of the picture, no? I don't get why IND can afford a $1B airport, why DTW ha
47 Mbm3 : If skyteam falls out of the picture, look for CDG to be moved to BRU to support the new oneworld hub that supports a growing Brussels Airlines......
48 Jimbobjoe : Anything hinted at regarding CLE-SJO?
49 MasseyBrown : I don't think the state offered much more than future tax concessions dependent on employment levels. They had to save their actual cash for Skybus.
50 AC888YOW : As an outsider who has transited through CLE recently I'll just say this: If the CLE hub is to grow, I hope the airport authority has plans to sink so
51 Mnevans : Nope not at all. I think anyone who has ever flown through CLE can come to that conclusion. I've been in a lot of other airports that have been worse
52 Falcon84 : It'd be nice to see CLE/CO improve Concourse C, no doubt. But while the relationship between CO and the city have gotten much better since the last y
53 FUN2FLY : What happened to the $60+mm promised for facility improvements? There was talk of a Terminal D connector, few extra gates, more check-in to the south,
54 Highflier92660 : Sometime way back when Cleveland Hopkins C Concourse was filled with United Boeing 737-200's, 727-200's and DC-10's somebody made the observation tha
55 Joeman : UA pulled out of CLE and then an at the time shakey CO built up. Until the CO expansion proposed in the fall, CLE was often on the verge of a hub clo
56 N766UA : And C isn't even bad. It's narrow, but it's nicer than alot of the terminals out there. I mean, look at JFK, LGA, BOS, or DTW (for the time being). S
57 Ncflyer : Is LHR access via so many new airports, including EWR and IAH on CO, going to hurt CLE-LGW flights. I know they are only seatmaps, but the advance boo
58 Cle757 : LGW loads pick up in late May and early June
59 Cle757 : It looks like CLE-YQB on Saturdays is going to stay year-round now, it usually just operates during the spring/summer.
60 Davescj : I don't mind changing planes in CLE. As a rule, the agents are friendly and helpful (more important to me than many other things). Also, I find the te
61 STT757 : How much did the D concourse cost?
62 MasseyBrown : From CO's 1999 10-K: "Continental has commenced the expansion of its facilities at Hopkins International, which expansion is expected to be completed
63 STT757 : Not bad, perhaps they could replace Concourse C with an identical concourse to concourse D. Something similar to D although a little more robust to ac
64 Ncflyer : $156MM, and they couldn't scrounge up a few million extra to build a tunnel straight to the terminal. Penny wise, pound foolish.
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