DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 21501 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6960 times:
Now, what CO needs to do is to go after another major's hub.
CO offers a superior product, both domestic and international, to most other US airlines. Thus, if they start to go after someone else's hub, they might very well take it. They don't have much to gain from going after any NW hubs, but UA and the DL hubs make great sense. They could also move into the West Coast and try to gain a foothold at SAN, LAX, or SEA.
If they want to stay independent, they're going to have to fight for it, I think.
Trying to make a hub in those cities would be suicide.
SEA, you just said they would have nothing to gain by going into a NW hub, but SEA is. Also, with the AS/QX there you just build into a city with a whole hell of a lot of codeshare. Not to mention SEA is not cheap to operate from with them paying off the bill for terminal A.
LAX, they have had a hub there before and dropped it. They do have a hangar there but the gate space is tight. Also LAX is just a mess right now. There would be a lot of happy CO employee's to see a hub there again, I assure you that.
SAN, low yield market! No airline has a hub there now and most likely never will.
CO needs to stay concerned on where they are, where they will slowly go to and stay ahead of all other carriers while doing it. Starting a new hub where you fly lots of flight with no LF and yields would be suicide at these oil prices. Just my opinion.
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Noise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1951 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6533 times:
Yeah Guam, but the size of the Guam hub is miniscule to those on the mainland!
Can anyone see Continental opeing up a hub in a Western city that DOESN'T currently have a hub? Such as Albuquerque, San Jose or Sacramento?
What DL hubs would they go after?
ATL? ok good luck with that one they have what 3 gates there? And that would be all they would get. DL and FL would kill CO on any route if they really wanted to. DL has a HUGE FF base here plus its one of Atlanta largest company's and supports the city very well.
SLC? better chance for space in Atlanta.
What UA hubs?
DEN? ha please been there done that and LOST.
ORD? no slots or space
IAD? no space
LAX? same as DEN. they gave DEN/LAX up along time ago. But it would make alot of people happy to see hubs in LAX and DEN but it wont happen.
happy CLE will get to grow more and not be lost to ORD.
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5300 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6458 times:
Quoting Noise (Reply 9): Such as Albuquerque, San Jose or Sacramento?
Doubtful, the only western hub I could see them opening is DEN should something unfortunate happen to UA or F9. SEA could happen if they merge with AS of course but I won't even speculate on that. CO doesn't have the aircraft to open a new hub right now anyway; they are fine fortifying their strengths first before going on an offensive.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6359 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 12): LAS and LAX both get 757-300s from CLE this Summer.
LA$ always has a 753, on the 9am bank. LAX and IAH, the last two summers, and again this summer, get 9am 753's as well. They're always packed. I think CO should fly the 753 again to SEA, as it was always packed, too.
Greenair727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6315 times:
If CO switches alliances as they've suggested they might, to OneWorld or Star Alliance, what international cities do we think will be announced next (not counting CDG)? If they join OneWorld, LHR, NRT, HKG? If Star Alliance, then FRA, LIS, SIN?
AznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3746 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6294 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15): I think CO should fly the 753 again to SEA, as it was always packed, too.
They are, and I believe they continue onto ANC. I'm flying the 753 on both IAH-SEA and SEA-IAH. Also, SEA is packed during the summer because of Alaskan cruises that leave out of the Port of Seattle. After summer, it slows down a bit. It's always funny to see how open the 17:30 departure is compared to how packed the 11:59 red eye SEA-IAH.
It would be interesting to see if CO increases or maintains flight schedules from IAH, EWR, and CLE. I do know when all CO gates are occupied, flights have been known to arrive and depart from the S-Concourse, but cannot remember if it's a "CUTE" gate or a NW gate.
On a slight tangent with SEA, I wonder if DL would now move to the S-concourse opening up the 2 gates in Concourse A.
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Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2858 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6269 times:
Quoting Noise (Reply 9): Can anyone see Continental opeing up a hub in a Western city that DOESN'T currently have a hub? Such as Albuquerque, San Jose or Sacramento?
SJC: I've thought about this one once the new terminal is open at SJC. I'm just not sure it's worth it since AA has a large presence there, plus the UA hub at SFO, and large WN operation at OAK. Maybe could work, but not worth risking the cash in the present economic conditions.
SMF: Unless it can draw significant traffic from the bay area it isn't large enough to support a true hub. Perhaps the population of the SMF area plus people driving in from the central valley and Northern California could support a focus city. At least the facilities might be there with the new terminal approved.
ABQ: Way too small for a hub, even CLE sized. Also doesn't get them much in the way of traffic flows that the don't already have. It's just as easy to send people from the East coast through IAH. The traffic from smaller cities in the Rockies and West coast just aren't enough to justify a hub in ABQ. Two other problems. First, WN owns ABQ, with over 50% of traffic and would be very difficult to dislodge as the incumbent. Second, there isn't nearly enough available gate space for even a small hub. A second terminal would need to be built.
It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems with just potatoes.
Thanks for the input. The reason I asked is because it seems to me CO lacks that presence it needs in the west if it wants to properly compete with the likes of NW, UA, DL and now US as they all have a presence in the west. Continental's hubs are concentrated in the east and I was thinking about them opening a "Southwestern US" hub at ABQ similar to what US has at PHX. Either that, or a Pacific North-South hub at SJC or SMF. It seems SJC would be able to draw the most people and ABQ being the most geographically isolated. Any ways, this is probably me just dreaming but I wonder about CO sometimes and why they haven't been searching for a hub out west.
DiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5817 times:
Quoting Greenair727 (Reply 16): If CO switches alliances as they've suggested they might, to OneWorld or Star Alliance, what international cities do we think will be announced next (not counting CDG)? If they join OneWorld, LHR, NRT, HKG? If Star Alliance, then FRA, LIS, SIN?
I don't expect much of anything to happen if/when CO switches alliances. In OneWorld, LHR makes sense (or perhaps BA would open it). If they go with Star, FRA makes some sense, but it's a real stretch for CO's 752's. That said, perhaps a 762 could be freed up with the arrival of 787's. I don't see CLE ever getting service to Asia, except maybe NRT on a 787.
Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 17): I do know when all CO gates are occupied, flights have been known to arrive and depart from the S-Concourse,
COalways From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5422 times:
Just ignore him hos only 1
[quote=Greenair727,reply=16]If CO switches alliances as they've suggested they might, to OneWorld or Star Alliance, what international cities do we think will be announced next (not counting CDG)? If they join OneWorld, LHR, NRT, HKG? If Star Alliance, then FRA, LIS, SIN?[/quote
I was thinking the same thing that they are going to have to switch up there international flying to that alliance Hub. There were rumors that they wanted to start up flights in the future to PRG, ICN, MOW and those are all SkyTeam Hubs and now if there going into Oneworld they already fly to alot of OneWorld Hubs they could just add in IST etc.....