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How Soon Until American Drops JFK-STN?  
User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5471 times:

Tick tock, tick tock - with EOS now out of the picture, and that is unfortunate as their service was fantastic and certainly something to write home about, when will American Airlines pull out of JFK-STN? Will AA be out by the end of summer, or by the end of May? Or will AA simply say that due to fuel prices they are dropping their JFK-STN flight(s) effective .....????

When will the JFK-STN flights be dropped by AA? We all know AA pointed its guns right at EOS and now with EOS out of the way, look for an increase of fares on JFK-LHR by the double a's and for the dropping of JFK-STN within weeks.

Just a prediction.

American Airlines they really are "Something Special In The Air"

Cheers,
BP1


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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4278 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5456 times:



Quoting BP1 (Thread starter):
When will the JFK-STN flights be dropped by AA? We all know AA pointed its guns right at EOS and now with EOS out of the way, look for an increase of fares on JFK-LHR by the double a's and for the dropping of JFK-STN within weeks.

Well, I don't know about JFK-STN, but I doubt that fares on JFK-LHR are going to go up much if at all. Remember there is a ton of competition on JFK-LHR from BA, VS, and DL, and throw in CO from EWR for good measure as well. EOS going under isn't going to mean Jack for the JFK-LHR market. That being said, JFK-STN was popular with business travellers (I think EOS would have survived if Oil had stayed below 100 dollars), and may be a hidden cash cow for AA. That being said, they did pull out of LGW, which is an airport that many passengers seem to prefer over LHR, so who knows. I will give it until the fall sometime.


User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5405 times:

The clock is ticking !!!!!

User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5297 times:



Quoting BP1 (Thread starter):

I remain very skeptical as to what AA will do. I suppose at the end of the day it's all about $$$. If the route is successful enough (i.e an above average route) then I think AA will stay the course. After all, what's better than having a virtual monopoly on a route (STN counts as NOT being London!). However, if it is a marginal route and not a money earner, I see no reason for AA to stay the course at STN other than to drive out a new competitor.

Can the 763s be used more effectively elsewhere? If not they might very well stay at STN!
Furthermore- not really a deal breaker, but when I was at STN in March and in the temporary AA Business Class lounge, I was told that a permanent lounge is underway, so that might be telling?! Can anyone confirm this?

AA1818



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User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5094 times:

STN is very profitable for AA on this route (iread on JetNet Q&A a while back). EOS aside, AA found a good niche there. The EOS model works great when the economy is great, its not so great right now and I would suspect AA will hold their own and continue the service with a perfect combo of Coach/Economy. As with everyone else on here...IMO.

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8374 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5076 times:
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I suspect AA will keep the route and even add the second daily flight, especially for reward travel. There is demand for this area of London from JFK and why kill a good thing if it makes money and opens up seats on the 777 to LHR to more expensive passengers.

User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

I'm asking this as I don't know London geography.

Is STN close enough to make it worth while for biz contracts? I'm sure AA has contracts to fill the J and F cabin NY to London, esp LHR. Would STN be any more suitable for those traveling for biz? If so, then a STN route might make a great deal of sense.

Second, if STN isn't a major biz destination, it could also be a route to the UK that AA could be more liberal on mileage redemptions, saving LHR as a premium route. Thoughts?

Dave



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User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5022 times:

Why would AA want to spend money just for AAdvantge AAward travel redemption?

BP1



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5016 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 6):
Would STN be any more suitable for those traveling for biz?

30 mins by train to London Liverpool Sterrt Station and from there you can connect to the tube to most anywhere in central London in 10-45 minutes depending on destination etc. STN is very advantageous to people who live outside of London, but near enough to commute eg. Cambridge, Letchworth, Hitchin, Ely, Stevenage etc. These 'sub-urban' folks can get a train and in 35-40 minutes be at STN, or vice versa, and these 'towns' are much smaller, so once at the train station you're a hop, skip and a jump away from home. STN is not much more convenient than LHR for Londoners unless you want to avoid the crowds.

Hope that helps.

AA1818



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User currently offlinePITIngres From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1144 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4978 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 6):
I'm asking this as I don't know London geography.

Is STN close enough to make it worth while for biz contracts?

Think of it a little bit like IAD vs BWI for getting to DC. (Although I have a notion that STN is closer to London city center than BWI is to DC, and London has a better developed train/metro system than DC does IMHO.)

It's not so much distance from city center, it's more about which side of the city you want to get to or from. If you are really going to London center, LHR is a little bit closer and quicker, but then you have to deal with LHR itself. If you aren't going to center, you'll probably prefer the airport on the side of the city you want: LHR for west, LGW for south and southeast, STN for northeast and east. On the map, the M25 ring road makes it all look so simple, in real life it's as bad as the DC Beltway if not worse.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4971 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 1):
JFK-LHR from BA, VS, and DL

And if you're lucky you can get seats on AI's wonderful new 77W's on that route. Much better than boring 767's and 772E's!



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4261 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4942 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
I suspect AA will keep the route and even add the second daily flight, especially for reward travel. There is demand for this area of London from JFK and why kill a good thing if it makes money and opens up seats on the 777 to LHR to more expensive passengers.

While I would like to believe this, I can't help but think AA could use that 757 somewhere else. After all, if CO couldn't make EWR-STN work, then why should I think AA can do it better?

Prove me wrong AA, but I don't expect they'll be on this route much past the end of summer.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4840 times:



Quoting BP1 (Reply 7):
Why would AA want to spend money just for AAdvantge AAward travel redemption?

Not necessarily for reward travelers, but JFK-STN will be an outlet for lower fares and rewards, rather than Heathrow, especially since they pulled one of their frequencies to launch the 2x DFW-LHR and 1x RDU-LHR.

Quoting Richierich (Reply 11):
While I would like to believe this, I can't help but think AA could use that 757 somewhere else. After all, if CO couldn't make EWR-STN work, then why should I think AA can do it better?

767-300 actually. CO flew EWR-STN pre-911 and they dumped the route around that time. Different market, different airport. Stansted pre-911 was a growing budget airport, Stansted today is not only that, but business travelers are discovering the benefits of Stansted's location.

The impetus for AA to launch the Stansted service surely came because of Maxjet (and to a lesser extent EOS) and Silverjet, but the market for business travel is there, and AA was smart to be the only US major to serve STN.

Quoting Richierich (Reply 11):
Prove me wrong AA, but I don't expect they'll be on this route much past the end of summer.

The schedules will do it for me Big grin. American is adding a second daily frequency in August.


User currently offlineRichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

Hi

I would like to think that AA will keep their service into STN. However if fuel keeps going up in price" or stays high" I think it will be one of the first routes to go.

Which is a pitty because not everyone wants to fly from LHR. I know that lots of people think that STN is to far out of London but remember a large number of people who work in the city live to the north east and east of London due to direct rail and tube links. (not everyone lives in south or west London)

I hate LHR and would pay more to travel from STN or LCY (be it via another point). Home to STN takes 25-30 mins, home to LHR 2 hours by tube.

(Think of it this way my parents live in Belfast, N.Ireland and it takes them less time to drive to Dublin, Ireland rep. airport that it takes me to get from E18-LHR)

But maybe STN-NYC is a market for a smaller 757 sized aircraft.

[Edited 2008-04-29 10:15:32]

User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4646 times:

One thing that STN has that LHR doesn't: Ryanair. As legacy fares to secondary European cities go up and the value of the US Dollar goes down, more people are looking to connect to LCCs once they get across the Atlantic.

User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2363 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4580 times:



Quoting BP1 (Thread starter):
American Airlines they really are "Something Special In The Air"

While I agree that AA's track record is not the best when it comes to giving routes time to breath. As well as routes that were put in place in order to protect their markets. I also know that AA is not alone in these practices.

As for the remark, it is pretty sarcastic, and anti-AA. The thread is pretty much, "I hate AA, and how long till they pull another route?". And not being bias here because I think threads like these about any airline are venting threads for people who don't care for a specific airline. In this case AA.



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4261 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4536 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 12):
767-300 actually

My bad, sorry.

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 12):
The schedules will do it for me . American is adding a second daily frequency in August.

Just before September, when trans-Atlantic traffic drops off? Seems odd to me - we'll see. I'm still skeptical.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8542 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4417 times:
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I see AA keeping the service.

STN is not really in London, it location works well for the East Anglia part of the country & North London - which is a real treck from LHR.

In addition, STN does not have AF, KL & LH running shuttle flights into their hubs to fee their long haul flights, AA is on a winner and I think they know it.

M



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User currently offlineCraazy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4380 times:
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Quoting AA1818 (Reply 3):
Can the 763s be used more effectively elsewhere? If not they might very well stay at STN!

MIA-MXP  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4297 times:



Quoting Craazy (Reply 18):
MIA-MXP

Totally, completely, 100% agree.


User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4287 times:

I wanted to reply to this:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 15):
As for the remark, it is pretty sarcastic, and anti-AA. The thread is pretty much, "I hate AA, and how long till they pull another route?". And not being bias here because I think threads like these about any airline are venting threads for people who don't care for a specific airline. In this case AA.

I actually like AA. If it was not for AA, I would not have been blessed enough to get involved in this business, my family would not have been handed millions of dollars years ago for a tragic accident in Chicago the sad memorial day; my father would not have been promoted into a position within a non-aviation company, that due to #191, was now vacant and changed the course of my life forever.

I actually think what AA did by starting up JFK-STN was smart. Although it was fuel pricing that did Eos in, American did what they do and that is what a free market economy is all about. No one else copied them. I remember back in the late 80's when there was talk at ORD of UA doing an ORD-STN flight but it never happened.

So, let us just see if AA drops JFK-STN and if so, then that is also the free market society with an American twist.

Cheers,
BP1



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4230 times:



Quoting Craazy (Reply 18):
MIA-MXP

hmmm...Maybe they shouldn't start the second daily flight and should start MXP. They could run each with 1 763. Who knows?!

AA1818



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4261 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4218 times:



Quoting BP1 (Reply 20):
I actually like AA. If it was not for AA, I would not have been blessed enough to get involved in this business, my family would not have been handed millions of dollars years ago for a tragic accident in Chicago the sad memorial day; my father would not have been promoted into a position within a non-aviation company, that due to #191, was now vacant and changed the course of my life forever.

Care to expand? I am not familiar with your personal bio.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4190 times:
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Quoting BP1 (Reply 7):
Why would AA want to spend money just for AAdvantge AAward travel redemption?

BP1

To keep their travel from DFW/ORD/JFK/MIA - LHR open for revenue travel.

This has been discussed on this site quite often.


User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Look up AA191 on 25 May 1979.

I really do not dislike AA. What they did was competitive on the JFK-STN city pair.

BP1



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25 DC10Widebody : What does a DC-10 crashing outside of Chicago in 1979 have to do with JFK-STN in 2008?
26 CrAAzy : Would be a good head to head comparison for a while, although I'm not sure of the long term economic impact of keeping STN open for 1 flight in the s
27 Teneriffe77 : One that cambridge has is a lot of $$$$$ (I know some of those people) and minimum travel time to heathrow from cambridge is 1.5 hours no matter which
28 Super80DFW : Well, I guess AA's JFK-STN must be working due to the addition of a second daily flight. What are the chances of seeing a DFW-STN flight on a 763, and
29 BP1 : Sure at net/net J fares and 2 for 1 upgrades at discounted economy levels the corporate community will love it, but will giving away the store make mo
30 LH417AF025 : Airlines do not add routes to schedules for mileage redemption purposes. When you call and they tell you there are no more seats available for a mile
31 ElmoTheHobo : I said that Stansted would keep reward travelers away from Heathrow, I didn't say they were adding it for Reward travelers. They would rather divert
32 KennyK : I would suggest it would be in the best interests of AA to keep STN and even increase the frequency. STN has taken 3rd busiest UK airport slot from Ma
33 FXramper : Arpey called, they got a spot for you at hq. The RDU-LGW was a perfect example of how this worked at AA and non-rev travel to the UK. Blocked seats o
34 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : Go to AA.com. AA is accomodating (showing them AA) passengers on cancelled EOS flights. Interesting way of sucking up new customers and at the same ti
35 Atmx2000 : Perhaps it is time for CO to revisit the EWR-STN route.
36 Burnsie28 : When did AA upgrade this route to a 763 from a 752?
37 Cubsrule : I don't see it. CO seems to focus their 752s on comparatively underserved city pairs (with the notable exception of LGW), and they certainly have oth
38 AA1818 : Where on the AA website is there something about EOS and STN? I'm on the A website and there's nothing special about STN or EOS. It was never a 752.
39 LH423 : If I recall, the reasoning there was that the 2nd frequency was supposed to begin sooner but was pushed back with AA's pilot shortage. I'm not convin
40 Commavia : Well, I personally think the route is going to stick around. I think its fundamentals are fairly strong - as it serves two niche markets that are now
41 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : Right Under "AA News and Offers" Assistance For EOS Airlines Customers Attention Passengers Affected By The EOS April 28, 2008 Suspension Of Service
42 AA1818 : Cheers, but it's still not there for me. I clicked " see all news" too and nothing about EOS. Thanks for posting the info though! AA1818
43 Arsenal@LHR : Not entirely correct, STN is only useful if you live in and around north/north east London. For a passenger living anywhere else in London it is quit
44 Burnsie28 : Did they start service to LTN at one time with a 752
45 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : Anytime! Its apparently filtered to customers in the NYC area and wherever EOS had flown. Makes sense.
46 Commavia : No, American has never flown regularly-scheduled service to any London-area airports besides Gatwick, Heathrow and Stansted. Gatwick began in May 198
47 David_itl : Nope the only "regional" offering have been- MAN (had the 757 back in 1995 to JFK and then it was used for the recentlly departed BOS service) where
48 Davescj : Good question. I looked today on American's website, Nov still 763. I think it could be a good route for them. Dave
49 BigGSFO : You mean "AA was absent from Stansted until this past year...", right?
50 Teneriffe77 : STN may be right in the middle of Essex but it isn't too hard to get to compared to some other british airports. One of it's biggest plusses is the ra
51 Commavia : Yes, I meant Stansted. Sorry.
52 Smeg : I for one, wish that there were more routes from Stansted! Stansted is actually very well positioned for the business traveller. I used to always thin
53 Barnesy2006 : After looking at the loads recently i haven't seen below 150 pax in about 2 weeks with average's around 185. If the route is profitable with good load
54 Commavia : While I agree that strong loads are generally a good sign, and they also don't even account for what I've heard have been exceedingly strong cargo lo
55 Cubsrule : ...and one needs look no further than to AA 173/174 (RDU-London) for an example of that. There's so much more that goes in to the equation than just
56 LH417AF025 : awesome. can't wait to start... how is the ramp going?
57 777STL : Actually on AA, if you're an Executive Platinum elite, there's an undocumented perk - you can actually request them to open an award seat for you and
58 GlobeEx : Having lived right around the corner of STN I think it is a great airport (at least far better than LHR) and in my personal opinion if you start or en
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