El Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2 Posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 752 times:
For couple of weeks now i heared this rumor, but I couldnt believe it.
Taken from Globes, The israeli business newspaper:
El Al Israel Airlines to buy fourth Boeing 777!
El Al has decided to buy its fourth Boeing 777. “Globes” was the first to report El Al’s plans two weeks ago. El Al announced today that it expects to receive the plane in summer 2002. The company will receive the three planes purchased earlier in March.
Another airline that had ordered Boeing 777-200s, identical to the planes El Al ordered, canceled the order a few days ago, which enabled El Al to receive the planes instead.
The fourth Boeing 777 will cost $100 million, excluding peripheral costs for spare parts and engines. Boeing’s official price for the 777 is $150-170 million. The main reason for the special price is Boeing’s worry that El Al will buy from its European competitor, Airbus, which is seeking to enter the Israeli market. No Israeli commercial airline – El Al, Arkia, IsrAir or Aeroel Airways – has yet bought from Airbus.
I'm not so sure about the price that was mentioned..... seems very strange.....!
Anyway, this news makes me really happy! GO EL AL!!!
El Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 591 times:
Also to mention,
El Al's CEO said last week that the airline is looking for leasing 4 777-200 including the new order, to replace all the ageing 742's in a year.
He also said that the airline is still considering the A332 to replace the 767.
LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 501 times:
Another 777 for LY, great news!
Anyways, El Al 001 mentioned that LY wants to lease 4 772's (minus the new order), I was wondering why, when the other 2 772's will arrive, LY will have 5 742's, 2 747-258 convertibles, 4X-AXF and 4X-AXH, 2 747-245F's, 4X-AXK and 4X-AXL and a 747-271C reg. 4X-ICL, leased from Cargolux and operated as a freighter with the "CAL" titles. Those 742's are either freighters or convertibles, so it wouldn't make sense to replace those with pax configured 777's, considering the fact that cargo ops are fairly important to El Al.
Anyways, the new 777-258ER's have smaller capacity than the 742's they are replacing so LY will probaly need more a/c to make up for the loss in capacity and to possibly start new routes, so that makes sense.
BTW, I love the new livery and I will love seeing an A330 wearing them! I read that LY was going to order A330's, but when the latest Mid-East crisis began they decided to delay any decisions.
El Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 457 times:
I must correct you a bit....... sorry..!
El Al wants to phase out all pax 742's in a year.
After the 2nd and 3rd 777's are in service the company will operate 1 747B (4X-AXQ), 2 747C (4X-AXH, AXF) and 2 747F (4X-AXK, AXL)
There are now 2 747-271 operated by C.A.L who has nothing to do with El Al anymore, El Al doesnt own C.A.L, it just that C.A.L (Cargo Air Lines) used to lease LY's 747 (mostly on Shabbat), but no more!
The next 2 777 will be delivered this FEB and the next one in May.
The point is that the airline wants to retire the 742 fleet, they look for more 777 because its so comfortable for pax and VERY proftible vs. the old 742.
In addition, I read somewhere that a trip from TLV to NYC and back costs LY in the 742, 230,000$ while the same trip on the 772 will cost only 150,000$!
Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 372 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 427 times:
Yes! the livery is simple and sophisticated, I love the flowing Ribbon, but they should remove the flag from the fuselage, it makes the titles look too clustered, besides theres the flag on the tail so its enough, two flags dosent make sense as far as design and aesthetics are concerned
LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10 Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 414 times:
Hey! What's up?
Thanks for the correction, El Al 001!
The reason I said all those things is that I thought that LY was going to replace 4X-AXB, AXC and AXQ with the new 777's (I thought that AXA was already retired, maybe replaced with the 744 delivered in 1999), I guess not.
Anyways, about CAL, since its a/c are have Israeli registration, I asume that they are an Israeli company based in Ben-Gurion airport (BTW, I saw 4X-ICL in Ben-Gurion last August, It arrived at about 5:30 AM, and taxied past the terminal to the cargo apron), is that right? Who owns them? Who flies and maintains their a/c? Maybe they pay El Al to use their crews and facilities? How long is their lease for the a/c?
P.S. What do you think about El Al possibly getting some A330-200's?
El Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 392 times:
Let me clear up the 742's status at LY:
AXA, Left LY's fleet in the end of summer 1999, it is being stored in TLV - only fuseleg left.
AXB, Left LY's fleet in the end of summer 2000, it is being stored in TLV - without engines.
AXC, In service, Soon to be retired, replaced by a 777.
AXD, Left LY's fleet 2 month ago, sold to Hydro Air, Africa.
AXF, In service.
AXH, In service.
AXK, In service.
AXL, In service
AXQ, In service, To be retired in late 2001.
AXZ, Left LY's fleet in 1999, was broken-up in TLV.
About C.A.L, Its a private airline who flies 2 747's to Europe and NYC, it has it's own crew and maintence is done by the Israeli Aircraft Industry.
C.A.L doesnt have any links with El Al now.
As for the A332.... Who knows???!!! try to look for it in the search engine!