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SURPRISE: El Al To Buy Fourth Boeing 777!  
User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 754 times:

Hello everyone!

For couple of weeks now i heared this rumor, but I couldnt believe it.
Taken from Globes, The israeli business newspaper:

El Al Israel Airlines to buy fourth Boeing 777!

El Al has decided to buy its fourth Boeing 777. “Globes” was the first to report El Al’s plans two weeks ago. El Al announced today that it expects to receive the plane in summer 2002. The company will receive the three planes purchased earlier in March.

Another airline that had ordered Boeing 777-200s, identical to the planes El Al ordered, canceled the order a few days ago, which enabled El Al to receive the planes instead.

The fourth Boeing 777 will cost $100 million, excluding peripheral costs for spare parts and engines. Boeing’s official price for the 777 is $150-170 million. The main reason for the special price is Boeing’s worry that El Al will buy from its European competitor, Airbus, which is seeking to enter the Israeli market. No Israeli commercial airline – El Al, Arkia, IsrAir or Aeroel Airways – has yet bought from Airbus.

I'm not so sure about the price that was mentioned..... seems very strange.....!
Anyway, this news makes me really happy! GO EL AL!!!

Michael  Smile  Smile  Smile  Smile




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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 638 times:

In other news LY are going to phase out their 757 and 767-200s, two of the 757s will be leased to Israir Smile

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User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2259 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 621 times:

That really is one of the nicest liveries I've seen in a long time and I don't think I've ever seen a nicer looking 737.

User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32776 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 611 times:

Maybe now they can replace thier MIA-TLV one-stop with non-stop. Hopefully.


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User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 610 times:

Correction:

1 757 left service, now owned by Boeing.
1 757 will be leased to Israir.

The airline might phase out the first 767 this year, but it can be a 757 instead.

BTW, San Do'r, the israeli charter airline owned 100% by El Al, leases a 753 from Arkia.


User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 593 times:

Also to mention,
El Al's CEO said last week that the airline is looking for leasing 4 777-200 including the new order, to replace all the ageing 742's in a year.
He also said that the airline is still considering the A332 to replace the 767.

Michael.


User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 579 times:

The article said an airline cancelled it's 777 order. Which airline was that?

User currently offlineKLM747 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 669 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 551 times:

It's great to hear El Al buy some 777s. Now they can fly longer routes.

KLM747 Big grin


User currently offlineGanymed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 546 times:

BTW their new livery looks breathtaking on the Triples !

User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 542 times:

Well Said KLM747!

Not the best shoot though!

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User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 525 times:

I also love the livery!

User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 503 times:

Another 777 for LY, great news!

Anyways, El Al 001 mentioned that LY wants to lease 4 772's (minus the new order), I was wondering why, when the other 2 772's will arrive, LY will have 5 742's, 2 747-258 convertibles, 4X-AXF and 4X-AXH, 2 747-245F's, 4X-AXK and 4X-AXL and a 747-271C reg. 4X-ICL, leased from Cargolux and operated as a freighter with the "CAL" titles. Those 742's are either freighters or convertibles, so it wouldn't make sense to replace those with pax configured 777's, considering the fact that cargo ops are fairly important to El Al.
Anyways, the new 777-258ER's have smaller capacity than the 742's they are replacing so LY will probaly need more a/c to make up for the loss in capacity and to possibly start new routes, so that makes sense.
BTW, I love the new livery and I will love seeing an A330 wearing them! I read that LY was going to order A330's, but when the latest Mid-East crisis began they decided to delay any decisions.

LY744.



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User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 459 times:

Hi LY744!

I must correct you a bit....... sorry..!

El Al wants to phase out all pax 742's in a year.
After the 2nd and 3rd 777's are in service the company will operate 1 747B (4X-AXQ), 2 747C (4X-AXH, AXF) and 2 747F (4X-AXK, AXL)

There are now 2 747-271 operated by C.A.L who has nothing to do with El Al anymore, El Al doesnt own C.A.L, it just that C.A.L (Cargo Air Lines) used to lease LY's 747 (mostly on Shabbat), but no more!

The next 2 777 will be delivered this FEB and the next one in May.

The point is that the airline wants to retire the 742 fleet, they look for more 777 because its so comfortable for pax and VERY proftible vs. the old 742.
In addition, I read somewhere that a trip from TLV to NYC and back costs LY in the 742, 230,000$ while the same trip on the 772 will cost only 150,000$!


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 429 times:

Yes! the livery is simple and sophisticated, I love the flowing Ribbon, but they should remove the flag from the fuselage, it makes the titles look too clustered, besides theres the flag on the tail so its enough, two flags dosent make sense as far as design and aesthetics are concerned Smile


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User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 427 times:

Well airmale, one of the flags is a part of the logo and the other is to represent Israel, anyway, we had that even in the old c/s.
Michael  Smile


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 424 times:

Whats the shock and surprise that they have ordered a 4th 777 ????.

As said above they will get more 777's to replace 742's


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 416 times:

Hey! What's up?

Thanks for the correction, El Al 001!

The reason I said all those things is that I thought that LY was going to replace 4X-AXB, AXC and AXQ with the new 777's (I thought that AXA was already retired, maybe replaced with the 744 delivered in 1999), I guess not.
Anyways, about CAL, since its a/c are have Israeli registration, I asume that they are an Israeli company based in Ben-Gurion airport (BTW, I saw 4X-ICL in Ben-Gurion last August, It arrived at about 5:30 AM, and taxied past the terminal to the cargo apron), is that right? Who owns them? Who flies and maintains their a/c? Maybe they pay El Al to use their crews and facilities? How long is their lease for the a/c?
P.S. What do you think about El Al possibly getting some A330-200's?

Thanks again.
LY744.



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User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 394 times:

Hey LY744!

Let me clear up the 742's status at LY:

AXA, Left LY's fleet in the end of summer 1999, it is being stored in TLV - only fuseleg left.
AXB, Left LY's fleet in the end of summer 2000, it is being stored in TLV - without engines.
AXC, In service, Soon to be retired, replaced by a 777.
AXD, Left LY's fleet 2 month ago, sold to Hydro Air, Africa.
AXF, In service.
AXH, In service.
AXK, In service.
AXL, In service
AXQ, In service, To be retired in late 2001.
AXZ, Left LY's fleet in 1999, was broken-up in TLV.

About C.A.L, Its a private airline who flies 2 747's to Europe and NYC, it has it's own crew and maintence is done by the Israeli Aircraft Industry.
C.A.L doesnt have any links with El Al now.

As for the A332.... Who knows???!!! try to look for it in the search engine!

Michael  Smile


User currently offlineTca256 From Belgium, joined Dec 1999, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 383 times:

GO GO EL AL !!!!  Smile Behatslaha for the future with
the new brand B777's  Smile

regards,


User currently offlineAirbusDriver From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 380 times:

SURPRISE???

Israel is the 51 state of the US Boeing should thank the US governement.


User currently offlineTca256 From Belgium, joined Dec 1999, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 365 times:

Please...no biased politics here!  Smokin cool

User currently offlineUAL-Fan From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 355 times:

It's true! We American Tax Payers are keeping Israel afloat. A strong incentive to buy Boeing.

User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 351 times:

We American Tax Payers are keeping Israel afloat - a sheer rubbish. In 1992 American aid didn't exceed 3% of Israeli annual budget. I don't think it changed radically...

User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 345 times:

Hey El Al 001!
Thanks for the info!

About the A332, I just wanted to know if you would like to see an A332 in service with El Al (or any other Airbus).

And oh yeah, Go El Al!!!

LY744.



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