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Finnair HEL-JFK: MD11 To Be Replaced By A333  
User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9076 times:

According to the AY's timetable the Sat 29th of March 2009 will be the day when A330-300 replaces MD-11 on the their HEL-JFK-HEL route. So good old AY MD-11 is saying good bye to NY, after 17 years.

Finnair has been flying to JFK from 1969, with DC-8, DC-10 (1975) and MD-11(1992).
AY's MD-11 also served on the HEL-SFO route in the 1990's.

The first of their seven MD-11's is leaving the fleet in the end of this year, all will be gone by the spring 2010, the ordered eight A333's will arrive 2009-10. They also have five A343's, two of them arriving this year


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8091 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9062 times:
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The MD-11 had a good run , much longer then many other MD-11 from SWISS or Delta which had MD-11 for about 10 years.

User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2238 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9041 times:

Talk about a downgrade for spotters and enthusiasts. Yes, I know the A333 is more efficient, but still sad to see the plans set in stone. Even though it was inevitable, it would have been nice to see the A343 replace the majestic trijet rather than a twin. Of course, the quad is better utilized on other routes.


There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineDw9115 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 449 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8902 times:

What no the MD-11 is so much better then a plain A330.

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8874 times:

Well the day was going to come eventually. I'll certainly miss seeing the beautiful beast at JFK.

Photograph her while you can!


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However for Finnair this will allow them to introduce their new product on the JFK route which I am sure will attract more customers.



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8827 times:

So how many airlines are now flying scheduled transatlantic flights with A330s?

Air Canada
Northwest
US Airways
SAS
Aer Lingus
TAP
Swiss
Lufthansa (?)
Air France (?)
KLM (?)
bmi (?)
Turkish (?)
Brussels (?)
Air Algerie (?)

I'm sure this list is way out but there must be a good dozen or so flying A330s over the Atlantic every day.


User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8764 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 5):

Lufthansa (?)
Air France (?)
KLM (?)
Turkish (?)
Air Algerie (?)

yes

LH: JFK, EWR, ORD, IAD, MCO, DTW, DFW(sometimes), SEA, YYC, BOS, PHL

AF: JFK,DTW,SEA, and others (I'm drawing a blank)

KL: IAD, JFK, EWR, DTW, ATL, DFW

TK: JFK

Air Algerie: YUL

add 9W to the list

We all knew the MD-11's days were numbered but at least KL will still have theirs for a little while longer.


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8752 times:



Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 6):
add 9W to the list

Good point!

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 6):
LH: JFK, EWR, ORD, IAD, MCO, DTW, DFW(sometimes), SEA, YYC, BOS, PHL

AF: JFK,DTW,SEA, and others (I'm drawing a blank)

KL: IAD, JFK, EWR, DTW, ATL, DFW

TK: JFK

Air Algerie: YUL

Thanks!


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8735 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 5):
Brussels (?)

Brussels Airlines doesn't fly transatlantic.

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
Turkish (?)

They use their A340s for transatlantic flights.

Lufthansa, Air France, KLM, BMI and Air Algerie all use 330s transatlantic.


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8378 times:



Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 4):
However for Finnair this will allow them to introduce their new product on the JFK route which I am sure will attract more customers.

That's true, like they have plans to develop JFK-HEL-India connections. MD-11 is a handsome plane but I won't miss them personally.


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7387 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8350 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 5):
bmi (?)

Yes,to LAS,at least!



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User currently offlineDC10sRULE From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8059 times:

Just curious,

What are the loads like on JFK-HEL - won't the A333 add a fair number of seats to the equation??

Also, can anyone confirm if AY allows seat selection at time of booking or only at check in??

Thanks!
JA



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7977 times:



Quoting DC10sRULE (Reply 11):
Just curious

AY's HEL-JFK route hasn't been any gold mine, but recently the loads have been good, thanks to the weak dollar.
Their A333 will actually carry less passengers than MD-11, 282 v. 269. But their their widebody Airbuses have more C class seats, 36 v. 42. According to their press release the A333 cabins will be identical to A343.
Seat selection only at check in or is that changing?


User currently offlineUsair320 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7750 times:



Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 6):
AF: JFK,DTW,SEA, and others (I'm drawing a blank)

PHL, BOS?..........

US: PHL-FCO, MAN, FRA, LHR, MAD and CDG
CLT-FRA and LGW
NW: DTW- AMS, CDG, FRA and LHR
MSP-AMS and LHR
MEM-AMS
SEA and PDX ?-AMS


User currently offlineAH332 From Algeria, joined Mar 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7419 times:

Hi,

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
Air Canada
Northwest
US Airways
SAS
Aer Lingus
TAP
Swiss
Lufthansa (?)
Air France (?)
KLM (?)
bmi (?)
Turkish (?)
Brussels (?)
Air Algerie (?)

Don't forget QR to EWR via GVA.

Cheers,
Imad



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User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1280 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7419 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 8):

They use their A340s for transatlantic flights.

And the 332 on certain days to JFK

Leo



Happiness is V1 in Lagos
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7241 times:



Quoting Dw9115 (Reply 3):
What no the MD-11 is so much better then a plain A330.

Not for Y class passengers. Most Y seats on AY MD-11s are charter-type 10-abreast 3-4-3, much tighter than the usual 2-4-2 on almost all A330/340s except a few charter carriers.


User currently offlineRobbie86 From Sweden, joined May 2006, 526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6979 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 5):
SAS

SK uses the A330 on:

ARN-EWR
ARN-ORD
CPH-IAD
CPH-EWR



Next flights: ARN-LHR-IAD on BA 319/VS343 EWR-LHR-ARN on VS346/BA319
User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8204 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6928 times:



Quoting Usair320 (Reply 13):
NW: DTW- AMS, CDG, FRA and LHR
MSP-AMS and LHR
MEM-AMS
SEA and PDX ?-AMS

PDX-AMS: correct
And, +MSP-CDG


User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6786 times:

Air Transat also flys the 330 accross the pond, not sure what routes i know the have one based at YVR for the summer months

User currently offlineImpacto From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6663 times:



Quoting Usair320 (Reply 13):
Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 6):
AF: JFK,DTW,SEA, and others (I'm drawing a blank)

PHL, BOS?..........

IAH, SFO, YYZ, YUL??


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User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5896 times:



Quoting Andaman (Thread starter):
Finnair has been flying to JFK from 1969, with DC-8, DC-10 (1975) and MD-11(1992).

I flew on AY from HEL to JFK in February of 1993, but for some reason I remember flying on DC-10. Can it be true? If yes, were both type used simultaneously on the HEL-JFK route?

Leo.



A mile of runway takes you to the world. A mile of highway takes you a mile.
User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2300 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5710 times:



Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 6):
Air Algerie: YUL

Wow, How long has this been operating?



"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5641 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 10):
Quoting PM (Reply 5):
bmi (?)

Yes,to LAS,at least!

...and ORD...

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 17):
ARN-ORD

ARN-ORD is also operated with an A340, seen it quite a number of times.



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5626 times:

Thanks to all who added to my knowledge of scheduled A330 services across the Atlantic.

I asked because it may be that the A330 is now the most popular twin on such routes. There was a time when it was 767 territory beyond any argument but those days appear to be over. And is the 777 used more than the A330 over the pond? I honestly don't know which is why I ask.

My impression is that the A330 is now used more than the 767 but that the 777 is used more than either.

I wonder how it will look in ten year's time!

Will there be any 767s still plying that route? Will the 787 have assumed first place?

I can remember when it was all 707s, DC-8s and VC10s...  old 

Then along came 747s and Concorde.

My own first transatlantic flight was on a DC10-10 of SkyTrain in 1978 and there were a few TriStar operators over the pond.

But then came the 767...

Since then it has been just twins...


25 Andaman : I had my first transatlantic in 1978 as well, Finnair's charter HEL-YVR on DC-8, that was exiting for the little guy! Once I crossed the pond on DC-1
26 Teme82 : I think that they did use MD-11 and DC-10-30 for JFK for short period of time in the early 90's because AY didn't have enough MD-11's yet...
27 Babybus : A downsizing of aircraft seats on the HEL-JFK route may help to increase yields on the route. That's good news for Finnair. Finland is such a modern,
28 AverageUser : If you saw any Finnair MD80s,your visit would have been prior to July 2006. The last ones went to Swedish ownership, but the movement was partly bala
29 Andaman : The last DC-10 left AY's fleet 1996, the four a/c went to Air Liberte in France.
30 RedChili : I was on an AY DC-10 as late as April 1994 (to PEK), so the DC-10 was still in service at that time. It's veeeery unusual to see the A343 on this rou
31 MSYYZ : The flights started in June/2007 ( the first ever long haul route for AH ) on a twice weekly basis . In summer 2008 , the Airline is increasing frequ
32 Incitatus : Is this the last passenger service at JFK using MD11s?
33 TrijetsRMissed : Last scheduled service, unless KL redeploys the MD-11 on the routes, which is likely to happen at some point. Of course, there is always WO for pax s
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