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Allied Pilots Association On BA Open Skies  
User currently offlineDirkou From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 571 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Have a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkZsPjQp3CM&feature=related

Is it me or these Union guys believe they are the owners of the companies they work for?
Aren't pilots supposed to be employees only?

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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2345 times:



Quoting Dirkou (Thread starter):
Is it me or these Union guys believe they are the owners of the companies they work for?

No, it's you. They are trying to protect their jobs and not have them shifted to an alter ego company.

Quoting Dirkou (Thread starter):
Aren't pilots supposed to be employees only?

How are you an employee if your company has put all growth into the alter ego company?


User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2327 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 1):
No, it's you. They are trying to protect their jobs and not have them shifted to an alter ego company.

No they're not. They are trying to tell BA's pilots that they need to protect their jobs. I do find the guys' manner of delivery quite condescending. BA's pilots know what they have to do and don't need the APA to tell them. Some of my pilot friends at BA thought the same about that video. Others lapped it up, of course.

Quoting Dirkou (Thread starter):
Aren't pilots supposed to be employees only?



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 1):
How are you an employee if your company has put all growth into the alter ego company?

If you're not the CEO and you don't sit on the board, then you're an employee, regardless of what your company does with regard to growth, investments and acquisitions.

Having worked at a heavily unionised company, it's amazing the attitudes you come across. A lot of union reps really do believe that they run the company, not the management. Sometimes it seems that way, but nobody these days is exempt from being fired or let go, union reps included.


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2300 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 2):
No they're not. They are trying to tell BA's pilots that they need to protect their jobs. I do find the guys' manner of delivery quite condescending. BA's pilots know what they have to do and don't need the APA to tell them. Some of my pilot friends at BA thought the same about that video. Others lapped it up, of course.

Hmmm, let's see, having jobs shifted to an alter ego company, sounds fair to me. In fact, we should shift all ground jobs to the alter ego carrier, pay just above minimum wage and do away with any and all benefits.

You missed the point. The entire industry is under pressure now more than ever before to drive down any costs that can be squeezed. The price of fuel is beyond any management's control, so any other costs are fair game.

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 2):
If you're not the CEO and you don't sit on the board, then you're an employee, regardless of what your company does with regard to growth, investments and acquisitions.

You left out the sequence after employee. It should read then you're unemployed


User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2283 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 3):
You missed the point. The entire industry is under pressure now more than ever before to drive down any costs that can be squeezed. The price of fuel is beyond any management's control, so any other costs are fair game.

Didn't miss it at all Phil. Having worked for BA and now working for a US carrier, I'm very much aware of the pressures facing the industry.

Your're right about the sequence though - after employee, you're unemployed. It's not exclusive to the airline industry though. look at any sector that has merged or acquired - telecoms, IT, railways etc. They're all the same.

Shifting ground jobs and pilot jobs - it'll happen regardless. If not, then you just become another Aloha, Eos, ATA, Champion Air, Maxjet, Pan Am, Eastern etc etc....


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