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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

EI started LGW to DUB recently, BA are to start LCY to DUB in the autumn, so the city pair will see the following airlines:

LHR (EI, BD)
LGW (EI, BA, FR)
LCY (BA, AF)
LTN (FR)
STN (FR)

I was wondering whether this is one of the busiest short haul city pairs in the world? How are EI doing on their new LGW route against BA and FR?


Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
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User currently offlineWexCan From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

I believe it's either the busiest or second busiest city pair in the world.

EI seem to be faring well now on LGW-DUB after a quiet start.


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

London - Dublin is already one of the busiest city pairs in the world, I think it's the second busiest in Europe so it must be up there.

Quoting Sam1987 (Thread starter):
How are EI doing on their new LGW route against BA and FR?

Reasonably well. My cousin has started using EI on the route and she said most of her flights have been quite full. Fares are quite good as well, if you book a week or two in advance you can easily get return fares for under £40 which isn't bad but I just checked fares this weekend and it was £319 including taxes and charges.


User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4225 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2056 times:



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 2):
London - Dublin is already one of the busiest city pairs in the world, I think it's the second busiest in Europe so it must be up there.

Dublin - London is indeed the Busiest International route in Europe. Only MAD-BCN (domestic obviously) is busier and that may not be the case once the high speed line between MAD and BCN goes into service, which may put DUB-LON back to top spot.

Indeed I think in a world context, there is only one other International route (it's in Asia I believe) that surpasses Dublin - London. Of course there are a couple of Domestic City pairs that are busier.

LHR-DUB is Heathrow's second busiest route after New York. The top 5 are NYC, DUB, CDG, AMS and EDI.

As for EI at Gatwick, they are doing well and have done more harm to FR than BA. British Airways always has its connecting traffic.



Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

DUB-LON is a very busy city pair. Some might argue that it is a "city pair" rather than a "route" in itself, if that is considered then I think it falls down the list quite a bit as you can only consider one LON airport at a time. I think that debate has been had here before....

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 2):
I just checked fares this weekend and it was £319 including taxes and charges.

£169.94 for me to fly MAN-ORK-MAN this weekend. I booked that about 4 weeks ago! Thats the effect of the May Bank Holiday for you. Everything goes through the roof!

Brian.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25999 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1917 times:

I believe the busiest air route in the world in number of passengers (not number of flights) is still HND-CTS with about 40 daily flights, mostly high density JL/NH widebodies including many 747-400Ds with about 570 seats.

Unless it's changed recently I think the highest frequency airport pair in the world is MAD-BCN. A few other markets may have higher frequency if you combine flights to/from multiple airports serving the same metropolitan area.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1869 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
I believe the busiest air route in the world in number of passengers (not number of flights) is still HND-CTS with about 40 daily flights, mostly high density JL/NH widebodies including many 747-400Ds with about 570 seats.

Unless it's changed recently I think the highest frequency airport pair in the world is MAD-BCN. A few other markets may have higher frequency if you combine flights to/from multiple airports serving the same metropolitan area.

Yes and third is something like SYD-MEL


User currently offlineSQ6807 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2008, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

I had understood that HKG-TPE was well up there, is this no longer the case?

User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1591 times:



Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 3):
As for EI at Gatwick, they are doing well and have done more harm to FR than BA

Does this mean FR will be forced to cut down some of their LGW to DUB frequencies? I think they operate something like six daily flights.



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

LON-DUB is the second busiest in Europe just after MAD-BCN. It is likely to hit top ten worldwide but it is definitely not the busiest in the world.

User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1502 times:



Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 3):
As for EI at Gatwick, they are doing well and have done more harm to FR than BA.

I think the tables are about to turn as I got a flt to DUB in 3 weeks time for 10 pounds! Making FR the first choice for most people. The timings are similar too.

Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 3):
LHR-DUB is Heathrow's second busiest route after New York. The top 5 are NYC, DUB, CDG, AMS and EDI.

I bet if we look at actual passengers flown LHR-DUB would beat NYC hands down. Most flights to NYC are half empty and barely viable.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
I think the highest frequency airport pair in the world is MAD-BCN

Have you got any figures to compare LON-DUB (international) with MAD-BCN (domestic)? I don't have access to such info.

Quoting Danny (Reply 9):
LON-DUB is the second busiest in Europe just after MAD-BCN

Again, it would be nice to see some figures.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

THIS POST CONTAINS A GROSS ERROR. PLEASE IGNORE ITS DATA AND GO TO MY NEXT POST. SORRY.

In 2007 traffic on the LON-DUB route declined by 1.3 per cent. Here are the passenger number figures as published by the CAA:

LGW-DUB and DUB-LGW 2007: 882,499; 2008: 744947
LHR-DUB and DUB-LHR 2007: 1,947,109; 2008: 1,990,817
LCY-DUB and DUB-LCY 2007: 153,082; 2008: 138,601
LTN-DUB and DUB-LTN 2007: 358,140; 2008: 360,997
STN-DUB and DUB-STN 2007: 983,637; 2008: 1,032,184

LON-DUB and DUB-LON 2007: 4,324,467; 2008: 4,267,546

All the above numbers are for scheduled and non-scheduled flights.

[Edited 2008-05-02 05:51:47]

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

Rather than correct my last post here it ia again without my "deliberate" and gross mistake:

In 2007 traffic on the LON-DUB route INCREASED by 1.3 per cent. Here are the passenger number figures as published by the CAA:

LGW-DUB and DUB-LGW 2007: 882,499; 2006: 744,947
LHR-DUB and DUB-LHR 2007: 1,947,109; 2006: 1,990,817
LCY-DUB and DUB-LCY 2007: 153,082; 2006: 138,601
LTN-DUB and DUB-LTN 2007: 358,140; 2006: 360,997
STN-DUB and DUB-STN 2007: 983,637; 2006: 1,032,184

LON-DUB and DUB-LON 2007: 4,324,467; 2006: 4,267,546

All the above numbers are for scheduled and non-scheduled flights.


User currently offlineClydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1422 times:



Quoting VV701 (Reply 12):
LGW-DUB and DUB-LGW 2007: 882,499; 2006: 744,947
LHR-DUB and DUB-LHR 2007: 1,947,109; 2006: 1,990,817
LCY-DUB and DUB-LCY 2007: 153,082; 2006: 138,601
LTN-DUB and DUB-LTN 2007: 358,140; 2006: 360,997
STN-DUB and DUB-STN 2007: 983,637; 2006: 1,032,184

So the growth was only really on LGW and LCY, in fact STN was down by around 50,000......


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1409 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 10):
I bet if we look at actual passengers flown LHR-DUB would beat NYC hands down. Most flights to NYC are half empty and barely viable.

LON-NYC is the second busiest city pair after LON and DUB where one of the two cities is LON. But the difference in passenger numbers may not be as big as you think.

In 2007 4,230,607 passengers flew between LON and NYC (of whom 3,549,750 used LHR) compared to the 4,324,467 flying between LON and DUB (of whom 1,947,109 used LHR).

The third busiest city pairing involving LON is LON-AMS with 3,311,056 passengers in 2007 followed by LON-PAR with 2,235,953 passengers. Over 1.7M of the passengers flying between both these city pairings used LHR (1,799,214 to and from AMS and 1,789,538 to and from PAR).


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25999 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1313 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 10):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
I think the highest frequency airport pair in the world is MAD-BCN

Have you got any figures to compare LON-DUB (international) with MAD-BCN (domestic)? I don't have access to such info.

No, sorry, I don't have that data.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1287 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 10):
Have you got any figures to compare LON-DUB (international) with MAD-BCN (domestic)?

I believe that the number of passengers travelling by air between Madrid and Barcelona was around 5.4 million a year. This is 1.1 million more than between London and Dublin. However I am not sure how the numbers have been impacted since the high speed (2 hrs 38 mins) train service started between Madrid and Barcelona on 20 February.


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