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Allegiant Considers Some Skybus Destinations  
User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

Allegiant CEO stated they were looking at Punta Gorda and St. Augustine routes in their Q1 conf call.
Is this idea smart or dangerous as Skybus made huge mistakes are these markets damaged . Does it make sense for Allegiant to fly small uni-directional markets with flights from small northern markets. What would the impact be on the PIE flying, would they move flights south from PIE?

From Q1 conf call

Q: Just in terms of some of the small town airports that have been oft orphaned by SkyBus and some of the other bankruptcies, can you talk about growth opportunities that are sort of now on your horizon that weren't previously, and along those lines, also on the charter segment, do you see sort of incremental opportunities given some of the bankruptcies? Thanks.

A: Duane this is Andrew (Levy). On your first point, there's really not a lot of what SkyBus did that we find interesting. Punta Gorda would be an exception. That is an airport that could be an interesting destination for the Southwestern part of Florida so we're talking to the airport. St. Augustine as well. Those are both low-cost airports, and obviously that's something that we do like. That's maybe the one thing that we and SkyBus did similarly is focus on airport costs. As far as the fixed fee side of the business, yes, there are opportunities that are presenting themselves, especially with the demise of Champion, who did a lot of that flying. We're in advanced stages of negotiations with a company that's currently Champion and will be using them until they wind down operations at the end of May. We're hopeful that in the coming weeks we'll be able to announce that we've reached a firm agreement to put an airplane with their customer. There's another opportunity there, similar situation, much earlier stages of negotiation but suffice to say with less capacity out there, we're getting more opportunities on the fixed fee side, whether it be track programs or ad hoc last-minute types of opportunities.


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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

If these two airports get Allegiant service, maybe we'll see service to CEF and PSM. PSM was tried and didn't work but after Skybus was sucessful maybe they could give it a go again. Skybus did well here in New England so they should be looking at what made those routes work.


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User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Wud that be seasonal or year-round from your perspective?


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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2618 times:



Quoting BillReid (Reply 2):
Wud that be seasonal or year-round from your perspective?

I never thought of that. I think that there might be a market for year-round, but seasonally it definately would work.



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User currently offlineG4resagent From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2563 times:



Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
Allegiant CEO stated

Andrew Levy is the CFO and managing director of planning. Maury Gallagher is the CEO.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 1):
but after Skybus was sucessful

I think it is a safe bet to say SkyBus wasn't sucessful. Allegiant was in PSM, and pulled out. I doubt we would go back.


User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2344 times:



Quoting G4resagent (Reply 4):
Andrew Levy is the CFO and managing director of planning. Maury Gallagher is the CEO.

Sorry, another person proves I am human.

Where do you think Allegiant would fly from then?



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2261 times:



Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
Is this idea smart or dangerous as Skybus made huge mistakes are these markets damaged

Did Skybus fail cuz of their markets, or cuz of other sreas of the business plan? Maybe St. Augustine and Punta Gorda I can see, but not Chickpoee.


User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

I think if allegiant started from worcester instead of chicopee, it would do better.


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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5843 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2224 times:



Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 7):
I think if allegiant started from worcester instead of chicopee, it would do better.

Allegiant already tried ORH. The way they were blasted by local politicians when they cancelled the ORH flights I don't think they will go back. The Worcester mayor compared Allegiant's CEO to a "charlatan".



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23203 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2211 times:



Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
Does it make sense for Allegiant to fly small uni-directional markets with flights from small northern markets.

That's basically how G4 makes money, isn't it?

I don't think that either PGD or SGJ has the upside of any of G4's current stations, but I think PGD (in particular) could probably support service from some of G4's stronger existing stations. I'm less sold on SGJ.



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User currently offlineMnevans From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

I believe Skybus failed because they couldn't make any money on the cheap(er) tickets. I flew their CMH-PSM route 3 times, and loved it every time. After flying to BOS lots of times, it was a good feeling to not be in all that congestion, something I think 1 or 2-time-a-year flyers would appreciate.

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2030 times:



Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 7):
I think if allegiant started from worcester instead of chicopee, it would do better.

SkyBus problem was they went where the airport fees were cheap and worried about the market as something secondary


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1961 times:



Quoting G4resagent (Reply 4):
I think it is a safe bet to say SkyBus wasn't sucessful. Allegiant was in PSM, and pulled out. I doubt we would go back.

It wasn't sucessful overall. But it did pretty well in PSM. They were even looking at expanding there and building a focus city. I don't know what prompted Allegiant to pull out, but I want them somewhere near Boston, like Quonset maybe, or BED except there are NIMBYs who wouldn't allow it.



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User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1846 times:



Quoting BillReid (Thread starter):
Allegiant CEO stated they were looking at Punta Gorda and St. Augustine routes in their Q1 conf call.
Is this idea smart or dangerous as Skybus made huge mistakes are these markets damaged .

You make airports sound like girlfriends...people don't get turned off of airports forever because one airline screwed up.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
That's basically how G4 makes money, isn't it?

That's about it in a nutshell, yes.  Smile

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 1):
If these two airports get Allegiant service, maybe we'll see service to CEF and PSM. PSM was tried and didn't work but after Skybus was sucessful maybe they could give it a go again. Skybus did well here in New England so they should be looking at what made those routes work.

This might be true, maybe not for St. Augustine + Punta Gorda but maybe for restarting PSM-SFB or starting PSM-PIE, etc. It's possible that Skybus woke some people up to PSM...but of course you have to look at why Allegiant didn't make people notice PSM the first time around.



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User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1828 times:



Quoting N908AW (Reply 13):
You make airports sound like girlfriends...people don't get turned off of airports forever because one airline screwed up

Never thought of it that way. So are airlines then Boyfriends?



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User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1758 times:



Quoting BillReid (Reply 14):
Never thought of it that way. So are airlines then Boyfriends?

Perhaps...let's not get too deep into this...  eyebrow 



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User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3812 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

Speaking of SX, anybody know if G4 is considering LCK or CMH?


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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5843 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1541 times:



Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 16):
Speaking of SX, anybody know if G4 is considering LCK or CMH?

Unlikely since Southwest is at CMH.



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