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Can DL Handle NW,KL,AF And DL All At Once?  
User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

KL is handled in North America by NW.
AF is being picked up by DL in North America.
DL is merging with NWA.

It seams that there might be real long lines at the DL check-in with DL handling all these flights together. Is this possible logistically.

And what about the ground handling?

Or will KL and AF revert back to self handling?


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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10601 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Perhaps this is another reason for no layoffs of frontline personnel.


"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

This isnt a problem , and yes there will be layoffs of front line personnel.

User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10601 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3566 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2):
This isnt a problem , and yes there will be layoffs of front line personnel.

You know this for a fact? I doubt that any of us on the outside (or inside, for that matter) know exactly, with any certainty, what is going to happen with this merger. It is all just speculation, especially on a.net.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3596 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3519 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2):
This isnt a problem , and yes there will be layoffs of front line personnel.

My understanding from reading the statements of management is that there will be a reduction in front line personnel, but that it will be achieved through attrition, not layoffs.

If you have some "inside knowledge" of planned front line layoffs, please enlighten us.


User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3470 times:

That is the whole reason for the merger. It will be interesting how ops are merged. The DL space at ORD has been recently completely rebuilt and looks very nice. The NW space in T2 is nothing special. Of course the KL space will stay at T5. I'd hate to be in charge of the changes at the terminals!

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3414 times:



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 4):
If you have some "inside knowledge" of planned front line layoffs, please enlighten us.

I have hard time believing that MEM will be closed as a hub thru attrition...Ive heard mgmt lies when it comes to mergers before.


User currently offlineTXKF2010 From Bermuda, joined Nov 2005, 211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3375 times:



Quoting ORDagent (Reply 5):
I'd hate to be in charge of the changes at the terminals!

Id really hate that job in Boston! Just moved Continental in terminal A, n supposed to be moving NW to C. Now they have to (I'd assume) move CO back to C and NW to A with DL.



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User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

A little off topic, but if DL handles AF in North America, why does AF use terminal 1 at JFK and not terminal 2/3? Note: I am not complaining, because the DL terminals are the worst at the airport, IMHO.

User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3596 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3348 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6):
I have hard time believing that MEM will be closed as a hub thru attrition...Ive heard mgmt lies when it comes to mergers before.

That makes a good basis on which to form an economic analysis of a combination plan.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10601 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3348 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6):
I have hard time believing that MEM will be closed as a hub thru attrition...Ive heard mgmt lies when it comes to mergers before.

See, there's that "insider knowledge", again. Where do you get the idea that MEM will lose its hub status? You can speculate all you want but until it actually happens, it's just speculation.



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User currently offlineAgentXE1225 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3338 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6):
I have hard time believing that MEM will be closed as a hub thru attrition...Ive heard mgmt lies when it comes to mergers before.

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When it comes to MEM, downsize-probably. Close-definitely not, IMO. Outsiders have difficulty seeing what it has to offer. Work here and it's simple. Easy airport to connect thru. No gates available, at least until F9 bails. TONS of business travelers/commuters. Regional flts to places that aren't served by any other carrier, and those pax usually are connecting to one of the larger SkyTeam hubs (MSP, DTW, IAH, EWR, CLE via NW but CO is back in on Sunday w/3 dalies except Sat, ATL, CVG, etc.). Revenue would DEFINITELY be lost and competition (think Southwest, whose closest flights are in LIT or BNA, at least 2hr drive either way) would be more than happy to move in. NW has daily CUN, MBJ, and AMS in an A330. IMHO, MEM more important than most realize.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3312 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2):
This isnt a problem , and yes there will be layoffs of front line personnel.



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 4):
If you have some "inside knowledge" of planned front line layoffs, please enlighten us.

Trust him, hes 16-20 years old and lives in Scottsbluff, Nebraska... The only loss of jobs will be through attrition as stated, but no furloughs. I also don't think he realizes that MEM is NW's most profitable hub. But by his logic its only MEM going, nevermind CVG... which btw is over 100 miles closer to DTW than MEM is to ATL.



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User currently offlineAgentXE1225 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3271 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
also don't think he realizes that MEM is NW's most profitable hub

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Seems to be the case for MANY. I work in MEM, (not for NW or DL) and it is most definitely NOT going anywhere!


User currently offlineNwAflyer07 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3071 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 3):
You know this for a fact? I doubt that any of us on the outside (or inside, for that matter) know exactly, with any certainty, what is going to happen with this merger. It is all just speculation, especially on a.net.

Well, you have to think about who said no layoffs and how they said it. Both Steenland and Anderson have said, "There will be no involuntary layoffs as a result of this transaction." Perhaps the most memorized and well-known phrase of this merger.

The key word is "involuntary" and the key phrase is "as a result of this transaction" When executives, especially ones from NW, talk they tend to choose words and phrases that allow them to go back on their promises without actually going back on them. For example, God forbid:

"Delta Air Lines Announces Layoffs of 5,000 Equipment Service Employees and Customer Service Agents as a result of high gas prices..."

Anderson: "Well, I promised you no layoffs as a result of the merger and I stayed true to my word. It's these "gas prices" making us have to put you out of a job."

I'll still hope for the best, but I dont think Delta is going to keep every single employee. They'll end up cutting back flights, parking aircraft, and laying off people anyway.


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3018 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
I also don't think he realizes that MEM is NW's most profitable hub.

That is hard to believe, got a link?

http://www.businessnorth.com/viewarticle.asp?articleid=2326

This article says it's MSP.

Are you talking per flight? Maybe, but certainly not overall. Could be MEM takes over as DL's CVG. One is going down big time, speculating, but it seems to me it's common sense. Things cannot stay the same or the merger makes zero sense.

M


User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2973 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 10):
it's just speculation.

That is what we do here... and I dont think anyone speculated that DL would shut down DFW as a hub, PDX as a hub or downsize LAX either... but there you go.... this is going to be a rough one for DL/NW employees....



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User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2123 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

Hi everyone,

For the record DL handles AF only in EWR and ATL.

AF is handled by NWA in DTW, everywhere else AF uses its own DCS (departure control system) with a mix of AF and handling agents.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10601 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2877 times:



Quoting Lono (Reply 16):
Quoting Mayor (Reply 10):
it's just speculation.

That is what we do here... and I dont think anyone speculated that DL would shut down DFW as a hub, PDX as a hub or downsize LAX either... but there you go.... this is going to be a rough one for DL/NW employees....

And I don't think anyone at DL ever said those hubs wouldn't be downsized, either. At the time that DFW was downsized, it was the smallest of the hubs (ATL, CVG, SLC, DFW) in terms of flights and I believe it was the most expensive to operate, too. MEM and CVG could still operate as hubs without as many flights as now, if necessary.



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User currently offlineNYC2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 2738 times:



Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 8):
A little off topic, but if DL handles AF in North America, why does AF use terminal 1 at JFK and not terminal 2/3?

see below:

Quoting Flpuck6 (Reply 17):
For the record DL handles AF only in EWR and ATL.

AF is handled by NWA in DTW, everywhere else AF uses its own DCS (departure control system) with a mix of AF and handling agents.

Also, AF is (along with LH, KE and JL) a part owner of T1@JFK - http://www.jfkterminalone.com/home.html



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