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US Airport With Most Widebody Movements?  
User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2178 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11471 times:

Hi,

I was wondering which airport in the US would have the most widebody movements, including cargo flights? To some people, widebodies in the US are kind of an endangered species, so numbers may be interesting to hear about...

On top of my mind are:
ORD (huge UA and AA intl hub)
LAX (THE gateway for most foreign carriers)
ANC (cargo, cargo, cargo and more cargo)

Anybody has data?


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8898 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11433 times:

ATL is a strong possibility.

DL has 20+ 767s dedicated to domestic flying and those are all based out of ATL
DL's international departures
FedEx and UPS each send in multiple widebodies
World is all DC-10/MD-11 and 747 now
Good number of cargo carriers as well.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11424 times:

How about JFK? or are you looking for the answer between LAX, ORD and ANC. I'd say LAX. Infact LAX might have more AA and UA widebody flights than ORD does. Also dont forget LAX is big for cargo

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22937 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11415 times:

I doubt it's ORD...AA simply doesn't have that much widebody flying there. In the US, my guess would be LAX.


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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11411 times:

It has to be New York JFK. It kicks the guts out of any other airport in longhaul flights.


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User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11394 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 1):
ATL is a strong possibility.

There is absolutely no possibility of it being ATL. I would estimate that it has about 15% of the widebody flights that JFK or LAX have.

There is no question about it, LAX and JFK are the two airports in the US with the most widebodies. Simply due to the huge volume of ex-EU flights I would suspect that JFK is ahead - this volume doesn't exist on trans-pacific routes.


User currently offlineTwalives From United States of America, joined May 2001, 175 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11331 times:

Has anyone considered STL?...we typically get about 3 Fed-ex DC10's a week...and occassionally if you're lucky, AA will have an aircraft change from a 757 to a 767...wow!

User currently offlineAgentXE1225 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11334 times:

If talking about cargo only, maybe MEM? FedEx world headquarters here. Only narrowbodies they have are 727's and a few turboprobs. Holiday time comes and they contract w/Kalitta who has 5-7 74's on the ground at any given time. Seen 74's and 76's at UPS on regular basis, and last summer there were 2 4-engine Antonovs AND the 6-engine beast! Oh yeah. MEM theory goes in crapper if MD 10's & 11's aren't considered widebody. Oh yeah. At least 7 C-5's here any given time, so add in military cargo....

User currently offlineKunta67 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11182 times:

HNL has a great amount of widebody movements

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11115 times:

Daily widebodies:
LAX:
747 - CA, NZ, KL, NW, 2-3xUA, AI, FJ, OZ, 3xBA, 3xCX, JL, 2xKE, LH, MH, PR, 4-5xQF, SQ, CI --- TOTAL: 27-29
777 - 3-4xAF, NZ, KL, 2xAA, DL, 2xUA, NH, CZ, LY, BR, KE, SQ, (soon VA, AZ, EK, +1xKE, -1xSQ) --- TOTAL: 16-20
767 - NZ, HA, SU, ?xLA, ?xAA, ?xUA, ?xCO, ?xDL --- TOTAL: ~30-35??
A346 - LH, CE, 2xVS, --- TOTAL: 4
A345 - SQ, TG --- TOTAL: 2
A343 - AF, 2xTN, LX --- TOTAL: 4
A330 - EI, LT, --- TOTAL: 2

Total widebodies at LAX: Roughly 85-96 (pax only)


User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11075 times:



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 9):
Total widebodies at LAX: Roughly 85-96 (pax only)

Cargo wise:

FX around 4-7 daily flights with MD-11/DC10s around the same amount with the A310/A300
UPS 2x 763
DHL 1x DC-8 1x 767
Airborne 1x 767
----
The rest are either daily or multiple times weekly.
Kalita 741
Shanghai MD11
NCA 742
JAL Cargo 742
LH Cargo MD11
CX Cargo 744
Eva Air Cargo daily with MD11 or 744F
Martinare Cargo MD11
Northwest Cargo 742
Polar Air almost daily 742/744
SQ Cargo daily 744
Southern Air daily 747
Tradewinds 747
Atlas 747 almost daily



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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 10840 times:

At JFK, AA alone operates around 50 daily wide-body flights.


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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 10821 times:



Quoting Twalives (Reply 6):
Has anyone considered STL?...we typically get about 3 Fed-ex DC10's a week...and occassionally if you're lucky, AA will have an aircraft change from a 757 to a 767...wow!

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Quoting Star_world (Reply 5):
There is absolutely no possibility of it being ATL

 checkmark  ATL was used as the hub for DL because it was in the middle of the US (population wise), not because it was the best location for long haul flights. ATL has a lot of flights yes, but a huge majority are domestic which are limited up to 757s, a few 767s, and the occasional 777. ATL just does not have a lot of widebody movements.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7778 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 10778 times:

If we are talking sheer numbers, and not just proportion of ops... then LAX, MEM, and JFK are likely in the top 5. If you look at percents of movements I'd toss in MIA and HNL as well.


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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 10756 times:

I'm gonna guess JFK, followed by LAX  Smile




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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10640 times:

Quoting Twalives (Reply 6):
we typically get about 3 Fed-ex DC10's a week

  

ANC gets 3 Fed-Ex DC10s in a few hours, several times a day, and UPS 76s, and Kalitta 747s, and KAL Cargo, and Malaysian Cargo, and JAL Cargo . . . blah, blah, blah. . . . no chance it's STL.

I vote for JFK, LAX or ANC.

http://www.dot.state.ak.us/anc/busin...ssReleases/08Mar4AirCargoAward.pdf

[Edited 2008-05-01 12:42:17]

User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10606 times:



Quoting DesertJets (Reply 13):
If we are talking sheer numbers, and not just proportion of ops... then LAX, MEM, and JFK are likely in the top 5.

I totally forgot about MEM - but that'd be a good guess, since FedEx alone flies more than 200 widebodies ... I know they're not all in and out of MEM every night, but at least 50 percent probably are ... anyone have a MEM count?



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10563 times:

Also, for those mentioning ATL, only the gates in Concourses T, A, E, and a small number of gates (like 3 or 4) in Concourse B support 767s. Larger aircraft such as the 777, A330/A340, 747, 787, and A350 can only use the gates in Concourse E (and the upcoming Concourse F). None of the gates are large enough for the A380, and there are no plans to include any A380-sized gates in Concourse F.


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User currently offlineGreatpooh From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10398 times:

DL has around 75 widebody departures a day from ATL. Add in UPS, FDX, BA, LH, etc and the number should exceed 100.

GreatPooh


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10259 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 15):
I vote for JFK, LAX or ANC.

On a good day ANC sees 8000 metric tons of freight, which should translate into 100-120 wide-body departures. JFK likely sees almost double that wide-body traffic and LAX and MIA likely see more than ANC too. So does MEM.

JFK, MEM, LAX, MIA, ANC, ORD, SFO.

BTW I wonder if ANC airport suffers from some inferiority complex. It is the only large airport that tacks transit freight to its volume figures, so that they look bigger of course.



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User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10202 times:

I am thinking Memphis TN here..


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User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9803 times:
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I am glad to see someone is providing facts to a legitimate question.
I chose not to comment as I didn't know.
But as usual plenty of speculation.
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User currently offlineN5716B From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9803 times:
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This is some nice SWAGgery, but if you really want the dirt, you might want to load up and point your browser at http://www.flightaware.com

A quick tootle over there shows ATL has four departing and three arriving widebody aircraft between 18:19 and 18:58 EDT today. They have history. They even let you order history back to umpty days (for a small nominal fee). Light on advertizing. I swear by it, personally, especially when I see an odd aircraft type enroute to ATL and want to know the what/who/when/where of it.

And no, they don't pay me. I'm just a satisfied customer.

But back to the random speculation:

MEM is a good call strictly from the FedEx standpoint. I believe NWA also has a bit of a hub going on there (or at least they did back in 1989, when I last flew NWA).

JFK has the transoceanic traffic all but wrapped up (much to the annoyance of BOS). LAX likely has the transpacific traffic wrapped up as well (much to the annoyance of SFO). MIA should at least get some consideration due to the Latin American traffic, though I'm not sure just how much of that is widebody (can SEQU even handle widebody traffic?)

Other contenders: DFW, SEA(?), IAH, IAD, etc.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9769 times:



Quoting Incitatus (Reply 19):
On a good day ANC sees 8000 metric tons of freight

http://www.dot.state.ak.us/anc/busin...ssReleases/08Mar4AirCargoAward.pdf

http://www.dot.state.ak.us/anc/busin...s/marketing/statistics/index.shtml


I drew info from these sources . . .

One thing is certain - it ain't STL.


User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9557 times:



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Thread starter):
LAX (THE gateway for most foreign carriers)

actually JFK would get that title



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25 SNCntry32 : Memphis is the worlds largest cargo hub. NW dosent have any kind of cargo pressence there now I belive.
26 Simairlinenet : To help things out, here is the average seating capacity and passenger movements per week for various airports in 2006. Source: Airline Business, June
27 Jasp25 : He's trying to crack a joke guys.. geez give him some slack! -jasp PS: I would say LAX has the most wide-body movements in the US
28 NewYorkCityBoi : JFK is way more than LAX, if you look at it roughly (pax only): -LAX probably have only few more widebodies from asia than JFK (a bit more frequency a
29 ATLFlyer323 : What!? Are you kidding ME!?!? PIT spanks the pants of STL any day! ~Brandon
30 Steeler83 : Ouch, bazzING!!! What widebodies does PIT see anymore, about 5x daily A300s and A310s courtesy of FedEX? I can't wait for that air-silk route to get
31 DeltaL1011man : You do know all 8 of DL's 77Es are based in ATL? ATL-PVG,DXB,NRT,TLV,ICN air all T7s would hardly call that "occasional" 777. Also ATL is Delta's lar
32 Nosedive : Lolerskates EWR, DFW, SFO, OAK (FX), IND (FX), ONT (5X), AFW (FX) all might break into the top 10.
33 SESGDL : That's a joke. Even today, with ATL seeing less than half the number of widebodies it did five years ago I'd still say ATL is in the top 10 US airpor
34 VX : LAX. Gateway to the pacific!
35 ADent : ORD may have been a contender in the 90's, but not so much now. UA used to run DC-10s and 767-200s and 777's to PDX, DEN, SEA, LAX, SFO just to name a
36 Kaitak744 : Well, technically, the 767 is considered to be a "semi-widebody." So, the busiest "widebody" airport in the U.S. would be LAX. On a side note, the bus
37 Phollingsworth : "Technically", according to whom? The only definition I have ever heard of when referring to a "widebody" is 2 aisles. Outside of that any cut-off is
38 Kiramakora : For passenger flights, here are the top 10 in the U.S. The number represents widebody average daily flight. JFK 147, LAX 100, ORD 75, ATL 69, MIA 66,
39 EXAAUADL : Without being flamed, where would RFD stand? Are most UPS flights out of RFD on A300s or 757s?
40 Jfk777 : JFK or more likely LAX with all the foreign big metal landing from across the oceans. Cargo too is big at these two airports.
41 FlyMIA : There is a good list but its only passenger but just put MEM and ANC in there and take out EWR and PHL. MEM and ANC would got up there around LAX tho
42 N5716B : *ahem* SDF *kaff* This one had me spitting my coffee, too. Technically? Semi-Widebody? The only aircraft that could even conceivably be considered a
43 Planespotting : Not a bad question, because it certainly receives more widebodies than other airports similar in size, but I think they only run something like 40 fl
44 Zone1 : Considering that some 767s out there seat more people than some 777s, you are right on this one.
45 YULWinterSkies : Just that ANC gets most traffic from freighters, unlike most other airports. Right, but I was thinking that since CO is based at EWR, that would brin
46 Kiramakora : For scheduled cargo, here is the result. Again, the number represents widebody average daily flight. ANC 57, MIA 31, ILN 24, LAX 21, ORD 18, JFK 17,
47 AA61Hvy : How did you come up with these numbers? I looked at DFW's arrivals for today and saw around 18 widebody cargo flights LAX-I counted 41 widebody cargo
48 Kiramakora : I used OAG schedules data. Remember, these are average numbers. So, for a week in May, suppose there are 1000 scheduled WB flights, I divided the num
49 Nosedive : Considering the list above doesn't have any of the major cargo hubs on it.... I'm laughing to myself.
50 747fan : A look on Flightaware at all of yesterday's widebody arrivals into MEM gave me a count of 163 (!) widebody flights on Thursday. Pretty impressive, and
51 AgentXE1225 : That took some dedication! Night flights arrive between 2300 and 0400, and they can turn a 72 in about 25 minutes. I also found out that an a/c is cl
52 Apodino : Not quite. You are getting the term Widebody, confused with Heavy. I think the magic number is 255,000 lbs to be considered a heavy. A widebody, as t
53 Kiramakora : As I said, I did a search solely based on OAG schedules data. These do not include non-scheduled cargo and Fedex/UPS movements as they would not appe
54 AgentXE1225 : Read reply 7. Take out the 72's, if you must, and what is left is still the largest DC-10 & MD-11 fleet in the world, and a LOT of big Busses, and ST
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