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How About Charging For Carry-on Bags?  
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9609 posts, RR: 69
Posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4094 times:
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Each time I fly it seems more and more people are bringing their suitcases in the cabin with them, making it a pain in the ass both loading and unloading, and taking up space for stuff that shouldn't be going in the cargo hold (laptops, cameras).

With the recent trend of charging for a second bag beginning to really gain some traction, this trend will only get worse.

How about charging $25 to bring your bag in the cabin? Laptops, purses, stuff like that would be no charge, but anything bigger than that, you pay for it. It would free up space, get people to pack smarter, and get the planes in the air faster.

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21477 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

Airlines want you to carry your bags on, even if they are large. It is much cheaper for them to have you screen, carry, load, and unload your bags. Fewer ground employees, less ground equipment, more cargo space, fewer lost luggage claims.

The alternative is charging for carry-ons, everyone putting their luggage underneath, taking away cargo space, and then what? Loading the US mail into the overhead bins?  Wink



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8971 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4079 times:
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Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
Each time I fly it seems more and more people are bringing their suitcases in the cabin with them, making it a pain in the ass both loading and unloading, and taking up space for stuff that shouldn't be going in the cargo hold (laptops, cameras).

Yeah, i am thinking the same! Some people take their whole living room with them as carry- on luggage. I bet it's bigger and heavier than it is allowed. but nobody cares! Sometimes it is horrible!

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
How about charging $25 to bring your bag in the cabin?

I think that would be a little too much! I mean, everybody can bring only ONE hand luggage on board and it has given size restrictions. They should be observed a lot more and if it is too big ---> cargo hold! Sure, laptops, cameras etc can be carried in the cabin...

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21477 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4066 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 2):
I bet it's bigger and heavier than it is allowed. but nobody cares! Sometimes it is horrible!

Yep, I think they could enforce the rules at the gate like AA used to (with their rightsize bins) and solve a lot of the issues. Of course, AA was annoying because their bin was EXACTLY the right size, which meant if somebody had a lipstick in an outer pocket it could make the bag not fit. Give it 1/2" extra all around, and then enforce it with a gate check tag. People will learn very quickly…



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

Malaysia Airlines does enforce the rules, if it is over 5Kg at the gate, you are slapped with 109 dollar fee for violating the policy and the bag is sent plane-side to your final destination. Its fun for me to watch the people who get caught and throw a fit, but they were handed out and shown the information at check-in though.


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8971 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4051 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
Yep, I think they could enforce the rules at the gate like AA used to (with their rightsize bins) and solve a lot of the issues. Of course, AA was annoying because their bin was EXACTLY the right size, which meant if somebody had a lipstick in an outer pocket it could make the bag not fit. Give it 1/2" extra all around, and then enforce it with a gate check tag. People will learn very quickly…

 thumbsup  Sounds good to me! or book your trip on a cargo airplane, then you can take as much carry on luggage as you can carry Big grin

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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

I'm sure some airlines are thinking about, I'm sure of it! My guess is that a weight restriction will come first - if oil goes up and airlines become more and more desperate, its not too hard to believe.


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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4012 times:



Quoting Malaysia (Reply 4):
Malaysia Airlines does enforce the rules, if it is over 5Kg at the gate, you are slapped with 109 dollar fee for violating the policy and the bag is sent plane-side to your final destination. Its fun for me to watch the people who get caught and throw a fit, but they were handed out and shown the information at check-in though.

What a stupid rule - 5kg ? No wonder MH is such a successful airline. Airlines that apply these pettyfogging pointless rules to earn a little extra cash deserve whatever the competition does to them.


User currently offlineGA330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

I think charging for carry-ons will be a smart idea. Not only it will restrict people on what they carry, and really free up space, and of course make money for the airline.

I think they should charge like $10 for the first piece, $25 for the second and $35 for the third, maximum of three per pax. You should still be able to carry your personal item for free of charge (purse, laptops, small backpack).

And this with the $25 charge for check in bag will be a perfect combination. ie, a pax will first of all be encouraged to pack light, then consider the option of carry on that extra bag instead of checking it in.

And for those who dont want to pay for carryon, they certainly have the option to use the one-free-check bag policy, and thus clearing space for those who are actually willing to pay.

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User currently offlineFlynorth From Sweden, joined Mar 2008, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

I´ve been wondering about this too, but from a different perspective. A lot of airlines wants us to carry all our luggage on board and they don´t carry any cargo (at least from what I know of). LCC's like Ryanair, Southwest and many more. If the trend continues, at some point these airlines will not use the underneath cargo hold at all. This will be "dead" area, not producing any value for the airline.

Is it possible that we in the future will see the development of a completely new type of planes where that underneath cargo/baggage hold simply won´t be there? This should be most interesting for LCC´s that don´t have any feeds for long haul. I think this market should be big enough to be worth developing a completely new kind of airplane for. But it would require the plane makers to think out of the box and maybe change the design at the airports as well.

What do you think?


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User currently offlineGA330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

When I was working in MH, we have TWO agents standing behind the boarding counters to visually check the carryon bags that goes through. Most of the time is the pax who are travelling to India who violates the rules, but we dont slap the $109 charge cause we feel it is bad enough for them to get their bag taken at the gate. Most pax learned the lesson even without the $109 charge, which of course was our ultimate goal.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21477 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3958 times:



Quoting GA330 (Reply 8):
and really free up space

there is only value in freeing up space if that space is then used for something else. What value is there in flying with empty overhead bins?

The way it works now, if the bins are full and you can't fit it under your seat, you have to check it. That works for most airlines.

Again, people are ignoring the costs to the airline of loading more bags downstairs. There's a reason airlines ENCOURAGE carry ons, remind you that you can carry your bag on and "save time" etc. Because it saves the airline money.

Charging for the carry on is counter productive.

What might be a better idea is offering a free drink voucher to customers who don't check any bags at all. That would really please business customers, and encourage marginal fliers to carry less and carry it on.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19420 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3917 times:

OK. We all need to take stuff with us. Rather than nickel-and-diming us by charging $25 extra for a second bag (watch: the first bag is next) and $25 to carry on, why not just just CHARGE MORE FOR THE TICKET?

*EVERYONE* carries something onboard with them. On my last trip, which was TATL, I carried no roll-on, but I had my computer bag with me. Would that be subject to the fee? Or would only stuff that needs to go in the overhead be subject?

I would fine such a policy outrageous.


User currently offlineGA330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3905 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
What might be a better idea is offering a free drink voucher to customers who don't check any bags at all. That would really please business customers, and encourage marginal fliers to carry less and carry it on.

Thats actually a great idea, but airlines will then have to evaluate the value of giving out free drinks & saving cost V.S. earning extra revenue in charging bags

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
and encourage marginal fliers to carry less and carry it on.

This is a logical argument, but I think many people experienced the fact that the OP stated, that many pax are now trying to bring ridiculous amount of carry on into the cabin instead of checking it in, and charging for carry on will restrict this kind of situation from happening.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

Airlines don't charge for carry-on bags becasue carry-on's cost them nothing. I think a lot of the problem in the US is the size of carry-ons you guys are accustomed to. Some of the bags I have seen as carry-ons in the US were larger than my checked luggage!

I think we might see airlines becoming more strict on the allowances and more liable to make you check the bag in if it is over weight, but not charge for carry-ons...

Brian.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21477 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3878 times:



Quoting GA330 (Reply 13):
This is a logical argument, but I think many people experienced the fact that the OP stated, that many pax are now trying to bring ridiculous amount of carry on into the cabin instead of checking it in, and charging for carry on will restrict this kind of situation from happening.

Enforce the size limit. Charge a fee of $25 for an oversized approved carry-on (this is important for people like tennis pros and videographers and such who can't check their livelihood but also can't fit in a shoe box).

There are ways to earn extra revenue without being silly about it. Charging for carry-ons is silly, and again, it costs in the long run because of more ground staff (or longer to load baggage) and reduced cargo space.

I know some people say that it takes too long to get some customers to stow their carry ons, but I've never been delayed by this in my life. I've heard the F/As say to please hurry up so we can close the door, but any delay in closing the door I've every experienced has been from a delay in beginning boarding.

I HAVE been delayed numerous times by waiting for luggage to be loaded down below. Adding luggage there would lead to more delays of this type.



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3870 times:



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 7):
What a stupid rule - 5kg ? No wonder MH is such a successful airline. Airlines that apply these pettyfogging pointless rules to earn a little extra cash deserve whatever the competition does to them.

BR and CI is 7KG I think, but I do not know if they apply a fee if your caught.



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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3870 times:

Of course, living in London, I use BAA's shopping malls to fly out, which are stuffed full of shops, full of expensive (and bulky) items that BAA's tenants will happily sell to you, and which have to be carried on as hand luggage!

So not only do people have massive carry ons, they also have lots of shopping too. No wonder the overhead compartments are so full...



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User currently offlineGA330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

Many of us argue, and I agree, that airlines should charge for items that SOME people use but not ALL of us use, such as drinks, counter check-in, checked bags, emergency seats and so on. I find this reasonable, as long as airlines dont charge extra for ridiculous items that all of us have to use anyway (fuel surchages).

This way it is more equitable for all of us. You pay for what you want to use, and the airlines can lower the average ticket prices, instead of rising it for everybody.



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User currently offlineSunshine79 From UK - England, joined Jan 2006, 1759 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3838 times:

I hope MOL dosen't read this otherwise he will have the charge implemented before midnight, lol.


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19420 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

The other solution is to speed up baggage check and return. I would be much more enthusiastic about checking my bags if I knew I wouldn't have to wait almost an hour after deplaning to retrieve them.

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

So we are supposed to slap the person that carried something important such as their wedding dress with them on the plane, like any intellegent individual would do, with a hefty fee? Makes no sense to me. Deplaning isn't that much of a hassle. With this rule, I'm willing to bet that when the airline checks the bag for free, and loses it, they're going to have to replace valuable items such as wedding dresses, important clothes, top-secret documents, etc. And passengers would raise hell. Bad idea.


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User currently offlineDeltaFFinDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3797 times:



Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
It would free up space, get people to pack smarter, and get the planes in the air faster.

How does that help people pack smarter? I pack smarter because I can only fit a certain amount in a carry-on. If I checked bags, I would pack more stuff because I have the room to do so.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
The other solution is to speed up baggage check and return. I would be much more enthusiastic about checking my bags if I knew I wouldn't have to wait almost an hour after deplaning to retrieve them.

I totally agree. Most of us business travelers don't have time to wait for bags since we are running from the airport to meetings.


User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

Now that I work for a hardware retailer, I'm thinking of bringing a kitchen sink on board, I can just stuff all my clothes and toiletries in the basins. Now that's taking everything and the kitchen sink!

I was surprised what some gate agents would let pax down the jetway with. A lot of them just give up the argument and let me decide what goes on or get's checked at the gate. Being on an ERJ it's a real easy decision. Most of the time, it's going in the back. Then again, most carry-ons that would fit into mainline bins, wouldn't fit in our bins.

As far as charging, I really don't think that's necessary. BTW on mailine flights, and even on us regionals, we fly a lot more cargo, and a whole lot more mail than what pax see.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21477 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3696 times:



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 23):
Being on an ERJ it's a real easy decision. Most of the time, it's going in the back. Then again, most carry-ons that would fit into mainline bins, wouldn't fit in our bins.

Yep. But the thing about this is that the customer knows that on the other end, they wait at the aircraft door and the bag comes back to them within 5 minutes.

I'm all for that system if there is overflow in the main cabin of mainline. But usually they just put a gate check and it shows up, hopefully, on the baggage carousel.

That sucks.

I've only had one argument ever with an ERJ gate agent. It was COex in Manchester, and she didn't believe that my bag fits under the seat. I tried to explain that it did on the flight up and on every other flight I've been on, and I use that particular bag when I'm taking an ERJ because I know it fits. But she still followed me onto the plane, gate check in hand, to make sure I wasn't lying! It fit of course, and she went back to the gate…

And even all of that wasted time still didn't delay our departure.  Wink



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25 Clickhappy : Not if it cost you more.
26 Futurecaptain : Under the seat is free. The overhead bins are equipped with credit card readers, when you swipe your card the bin unlocks and you can use it. And the
27 Mauiman31 : Brilliant! Love it. Can you imagine the boarding process. . . . Wow. Last week coming home on a DL. Full up. And there was one of those kindly senior
28 Catiii : Didn't Skybus try this?
29 MrBrightSide : Poor things? Civilized in Economy? You mean at the times when Y was half empty-to-empty, you could play ball in the middle of plane and nobody would
30 DocLightning : Stuff that, dude! I don't care if you're running to perform emergency neurosurgery. I just have better things to do than stand there gazing at a bagg
31 SupraZachAir : As stated earlier, I HIGHLY doubt airlines (at least in the US) would do this. The more carry-on's the better. They don't require sorting and ground h
32 Andz : I recently did a day trip to Durban so all I had was my backpack. I put it in the bin above my head and sat down, as the plane filled up so did the ov
33 Airbazar : Charging extra for carry-ons? That would make too much sense. Making people pay for for the added value of convinience of not checking a bag. You woul
34 Lightsaber : If the airlines could process the luggage faster. Don't expect me to pay full fare with those rules. But if say the cheapest ticket paid the fee, I'd
35 Signol : No way, the audactiy of the thing! Which airline was it? I hope Michael O'Leary isn't reading this... Ryanair (and Easyjet) charge around £5-6 per c
36 Nzrich : I hear you !! I hear some American passengers complain about hand luggage " but its allowed in America" . My usual reply is "Yes well maybe in Americ
37 Analog : Shown the information at check in? 5kg? My carry-on bag is 4kg empty, yet it takes about as much overhead space as a standard briefcase (many of whic
38 Andz : Nationwide (CE)
39 DABTH747 : people find way around that, you have the tag put on the bag at check in, then the family seeing them off gives them the kitchen sink in 2 different
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