NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5155 posts, RR: 49 Posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12163 times:
As expected Boeing has started final assembly today on the thrid Dreamliner.
Itnerestingly, Boeing stated in the April 9th conference call that traveled work on airplane 3 was reduced by 75% but in the press release they state that it is down 65%. HMMMM
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5155 posts, RR: 49 Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12040 times:
Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 2): On an unrelated note, when you scroll down Randy's blog a little, is that an image of a military 737 with MISSILES under its wing? Is this for real?
There isn't a wing on the 737. It just the fuselage that just arrived from Wichita. The wings are added when it goes into final assembly. However if you're talking about the image of the P-8 in flight then yes those are missles (Harpoon missles). It will also have an internal weapons bay for torpedos and missles.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11984 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter): Itnerestingly, Boeing stated in the April 9th conference call that traveled work on airplane 3 was reduced by 75% but in the press release they state that it is down 65%. HMMMM
Is it #4 or #5 that is now supposed to be completely pre-stuffed? I think it was #5 now, if my memory serves.
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 3): However if you're talking about the image of the P-8 in flight then yes those are missles (Harpoon missles).
Seeing it depicted over Mt. Rainier, reminds me of the Simpsons.
"Die hippies!"
"How now, brown bureaucrat."
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5155 posts, RR: 49 Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11907 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4): Is it #4 or #5 that is now supposed to be completely pre-stuffed? I think it was #5 now, if my memory serves.
Well Vought (who has been the weakest in the supply chain) said they'll be delivering fully stuffed rear fuselages (sections 47/48) sometime between June and September. My opinion it'll be with Dreamliner #6. This assumes #4 arrives in June and #5 arrives August and #6 arrives in September. If Vought is delivering fully stuffed sections that must mean (in my opinion since the other suppliers aren't as behind as Vought) that Global Aeronautica, Alenia, the Japanese Heavies and Spirit must also be caught up as well.
"The second flight-test airplane had a 50 percent reduction in the amount of incomplete work as compared to the first airplane. 'Traveled work' on this airplane is 65 percent less than on the first."
I read this as a reduction in work from the first aircraft, not necessarily the completeness percentage of the stuffed sections.. however I could be reading this wrong.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5155 posts, RR: 49 Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11845 times:
Quoting Nycbjr (Reply 6): I read this as a reduction in work from the first aircraft, not necessarily the completeness percentage of the stuffed sections.. however I could be reading this wrong.
Moo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3596 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11847 times:
When was the first aircraft supposed to be delivered, according to the original schedule? I know it was this month, but anyone know with any better accuracy?
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5155 posts, RR: 49 Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11775 times:
Quoting Moo (Reply 8): When was the first aircraft supposed to be delivered, according to the original schedule? I know it was this month, but anyone know with any better accuracy?
Nope all we know is May. I think it would be safe to assume May 30th but I think only ANA and Boeing kow what the actual date was.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11654 times:
Quoting Nycbjr (Reply 11): yes technically this is the 5th bird.. but 3rd flight test article....
Yes, but the headline is clearly wrong. It's the 5th 787, or ZA003, but the 3rd 787 has been in assembly for quite some time…
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5155 posts, RR: 49 Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11636 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13): Yes, but the headline is clearly wrong. It's the 5th 787, or ZA003, but the 3rd 787 has been in assembly for quite some time…
Yes you're right. I meant the 3rd flight aircraft.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11616 times:
For once the press got it right, as the article says the 5th. Unless they changed it after some anal anet.er pointed out their life and death error!
And Randy got it right, too. Good for him!
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26718 posts, RR: 83 Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11528 times:
Quoting Nycbjr (Reply 6): I read this as a reduction in work from the first aircraft, not necessarily the completeness percentage of the stuffed sections.. however I could be reading this wrong.
You likely are not reading it wrong, but LN001 effectively arrived incomplete, so the statement probably tracks close to both.
What I found cool was that on "Day One" it was just a bunch of sections in pre-assembly and by "Day Three/Four" it looked like an airplane as all the pieces were moved into place to prepare for attachment.
BrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3808 posts, RR: 10 Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11508 times:
Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 2): Good news for Boeing that the 787 assembly process seems to become more and more flawless.
or less flawed. How can something be less flawless?
Seriously though, this is very good news for all involved on the 787 program. Im sure it must be a boost to all involved to see the pieces arrive more and more as they should do, to see the pieces go together more easily.
Brian.
Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11495 times:
Quoting Davescj (Reply 17): Does this mean that they'll be able to ramp up production and meet their goals?
Not unless their goal is 1 aircraft every 6-8 weeks…
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
PolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11245 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 9): Nope all we know is May. I think it would be safe to assume May 30th but I think only ANA and Boeing kow what the actual date was.
There was a redacted contract example between US Airways (not really sure) and Airbus available online a while ago. The contract only states by the end of the month. I think that's the usual practice that the penalty won't kick in until the end of the month. I don't think even Boeing and ANA know the "exact date" of the delivery
SpruceMoose From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10970 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4): Seeing it depicted over Mt. Rainier, reminds me of the Simpsons.
"Die hippies!"
"How now, brown bureaucrat."
Ahem. Do not ride the bomb.
-SpruceMoose
It flew at an altitude of six feet for a distance of four and a half feet. Then we discovered rain makes it catch fire.
NWAJettjockie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10922 times:
Quoting Moo (Reply 8): When was the first aircraft supposed to be delivered, according to the original schedule? I know it was this month, but anyone know with any better accuracy?
I think we were originally suppossed to take delivery this summer, or fall. Northwest is the North American launch customer for the 787 Dreamliner. I think now Boeing is saying 09.
Tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10812 times:
Quoting Moo (Reply 8): When was the first aircraft supposed to be delivered, according to the original schedule? I know it was this month, but anyone know with any better accuracy?
No.
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 9): Nope all we know is May. I think it would be safe to assume May 30th but I think only ANA and Boeing kow what the actual date was.
Even Boeing and ANA don't know what the actual date was.
Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 21): I think that's the usual practice that the penalty won't kick in until the end of the month. I don't think even Boeing and ANA know the "exact date" of the delivery
Exactly. Deliveries are only contracted to a particular month, not a particular day. The airline will typically be advised of the approximate delivery date about a month ahead but that's not firm and it often changes. In the 787's case, the slide happened way before any kind of exact date would have been established.
Tom.
25 Jacobin777: Both CO and AC ordered the B787 before NW did.
26 Ikramerica: NW booked their order first and took earlier delivery slots and all the risk that goes with taking the first few aircraft of a new type. CO decided t
27 NWAJettjockie: So what's your point? We are the North American lauch customer. That is a fact.
28 Jacobin777: "Air Canada is the 18th airline to select the 787 Dreamliner, bringing the total number of announced firm orders and commitments to 217"* * -boeing.c
29 Ikramerica: ORDERS. Not announced. Booked orders. Check Boeing. I did. Then get back to me. NW May 2005. CO June 2005, June 2006. AC Nov 2005. NW was the first to
30 Jacobin777: All you had to do was state your comment below to clear up the ambiguity..... ..rather than making a snide remark of.....
31 Pdxcessna206: So when does ZA004 arrive on the LCF?
32 Ikramerica: Sorry man, but you were being rude and/or "cheeky" and you should actually be right before you do that. Rather than correcting people, you should act
33 TwinOtter4Ever: I believe AC decided to wait before firming up there deal due to pilot contract issues, which of course pushed there slots back a bit. I believe that
34 Scouseflyer: Exactly what I was thinking - I'd guess if the merger is well advanced, they're going to want to get this bird delivered in whatever new livery the m
35 Rheinbote: No. Monarch and LAN Chile are both assuming delivery delays of up to 30 months now, based on the information they got from Boeing. If we believe Mona
36 NYC777: Expected in Everett sometime around June.
37 EGNR: Monarch say they expect a delay of up to 30 months for their first 787 (info from another thread on here). Royal Jordanian say they expect a delay of
38 WAH64D: Definition of "Flawless": To be without flaws How can something become either less or more flawless? Agreed, they are driving more and more flaws fro
39 Beaucaire: Newspapers are reporting a general information compaign of Boeing ,informing most of their customers that aircraft sheduld to be delivered after 2012
40 Davescj: I will do the same -- after I get to fly on it! LOL I think you're right, but depends on the language of the contract, no? Dave
41 EGNR: Add Air Canada to the list of airlines quoting delays of up to 30 months for delivery of 787s: Boeing delays delivery of 787s to Air Canada
42 Teme82: Stupid question.... But when the first 787 will take off??
44 Ikramerica: Air Canada is not quoting delays of 30 months, but I guess you covered yourself by saying "up to" so you can make it sound that way. The article you
45 Burnsie28: They announced them first, but bought the slots long before CO and AC, also NW will be the first one to put them in operation in NA, this third 787 i
46 FlyingAY: You are now only thinking of the delay of the first plane delivered to Air Canada. What is the delay of the last plane delivered from this order? Or
47 EGNR: Apologies for that - I think I read 2 articles, and the other one did say 24-30 months, rather than "at least 2 years" as the story I linked says. Ho
48 Davescj: What exactly is "final" assembly? Does that mean all the parts are at the factory? Does that mean preparing for certification? How "final" is final? D
49 Stitch: At this stage, it means the major sub-assemblies (each fuselage barrel, the wings, tail, stabilizers and wingbox) have all arrived and they can start
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