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Will SIA Replace 345 After 3-5 Years Of Delivery?  
User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

I know this question doesn't makes any sense at all. But this might be a possible in the future.

IF SIA flies 340-500 for 3-5 years, will there be any chance that SIA replacing 340-500 by 777-200LR? Since A340-300 will be replaced by more 777s.

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User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1015 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

In my opinion, no...unless the 777LR is offered with an option of Trent engines...otherwise, slim chance.

User currently offlineDatamanA340 From South Korea, joined Dec 2000, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

Possible if bud in Seattle makes such a tricky offer. But there will be benefit to have both 345 and 772 or 773, because 345 is definitely smaller one.

User currently offlineJubilee777 From Singapore, joined May 1999, 528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

Check out the words in bold:

SINGAPORE Airlines (SIA) will begin flights to Chicago via Amsterdam in August, making the 'windy city' SIA's fourth US destination.

The thrice-weekly service will use Boeing 777-200 extended range (ER) aircraft, which will number among SIA's fleet from July, SIA said in response to queries.

The national carrier already flies to Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York.

SIA also said that its order of 20 777-200s from Boeing earlier this week, consisting of 10 firm orders and 10 options, will not include the 'super-long range version' that can fly non-stop between Singapore and the US.

Its vice-president for public affairs, Mr Rick Clements, said the airline has the flexibility to use the 10 options for 777-200s, 777-200ER and 777-300 airplanes.

But it will not order the super-long range aircraft which is powered by a different engine and 'does not feature in our plans'.

The latest order is expected to replace SIA's fleet of Airbus A310 airplanes.

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/money/story/0,1870,24200,00.html

I agree with Singapore 777 that unless Boeing gives more options on engine choice, i don't see the possibility in SQ's fleet.


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User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

Gezz, the A340-500 is not yet in production and you are already talking about replacing them in SIA's fleet after 3-5 years !? There's something I don't understand here.


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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

Right the words in bold that J777 quoted don't make sense so I'm gonna ignore them for now. Please elaborate

Now: I went to Boeings 777LR website and it was very impressive and on paper the 777LR is better in pratically everyway than the 345. Therefore, I dunno, SIA could just cancel the 345s and go with the 777LRs. Or they could use the 345s for a few years and then dump em.

It depends. Cheong seems to have gone haywire this week.



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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1395 times:


Singapore_Air,

In paper both airplanes are better than the competition. 772LR and 345 went head-to-head at Singapore, and Airbus got the order.


User currently offlineJubilee777 From Singapore, joined May 1999, 528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1380 times:

The bold letters meant that SIA is not interested in acquiring the longer range B777LRs. Although they belong in the B777 family and may have cost savings, but the current engine choice is the GE engines as a exclusive deal with Boeing.

Tedski will be glad to tell you all about GE engines.

The SQ A340-500 will be currently powered by RR Trent engines which will have commonality with the rest of the engines on SQ's 777 fleet.

If SIA do order the 777LR, it means that they will have another engine type to deal with......more training for SIAEC people and dedicated facilities, or simply pass on the job to current GE90 operators with 777, which most likely maybe China Southern Airlines maintainence unit.

Furthermore, SIA already have A340 simulators at it training facilities, which will have cockpit commonality with it's current A343 fleet. So it makes more sense to keep their orders for the A345, with RR engines than 777LRs with GE engines.


J777



User currently offlineStephen007 From Singapore, joined Mar 2000, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1374 times:

even if the A345s are surpassed by B777 variants (which i find SIA extremely biased towards), they can always go to SALE and leased out to other operators like CX and Virgin or Ansett (which is keen on using ex SQ A340 service into the US)

User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1015 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1368 times:

Haha...Cheong went haywire?? I saw him at Tanglin Mall the other day, his hair allmessed up.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8005 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1366 times:

I think the reason why SQ is buying the A340-500 is the very fact they can fly LAX-SIN non-stop with -no- ETOPS restrictions.

That's going to be a LONG flight, though--you're talking about 17 hours in the air. I hope SQ has decent legroom for everyone aboard for a flight that will essentially last nearly 2/3 of a day.


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

First off, the 777-200LR in its current offering did not go head to head with the A340-500. It was the 777-200X that went head to head with the A340-500 and lost. On paper the 777-200LR is a superior machine that can fly the same routes with more people with better efficency & shorter flight time.

If the A340-500 is a success and can operate SIN-LAX year round, then you might see SIA give the 777-200LR a shot seeing that it can do the same but better. Engine commonality is really made to much of.



"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 944 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1307 times:

I think there is a possibility of a 777-400 powered by RR engines.

Since BA is also looking at 773, it would make sense for boeing now to develop a so called 777-400 powered by RR engines and avoid the exclusive contract with GE.

since this is a new development of 777, hence should be outside of the 777LR contracts.


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

NO WAY would SIA order the GE90 777-200LR, they will order it only if it has the lightweight RR Trent 800 series available like on their current 777s. Unless Boeing offers a 777-400 with RR engines or P&W they will stick with the A340-500.

User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

Tedski, engines are not THAT important.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineKing767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1239 times:

Again, my point. What is more important, having aircraft commonality, or having engine commonality? Come on! Lets use our heads here, aircraft commonality outweighs engine commonality! Everyone who disagrees, think long and hard, and then take a look and see how many airlines are using same or similar aircraft with different engines. A real good example is DLs 767s.
-Tom


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