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Air Berlin's New Business Class  
User currently offlineXtra1 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 111 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 7 months 9 hours ago) and read 13212 times:

Came across this picture the other day:-



This means that AB are installing new lie-flat business class seats, similar to Air Canada and Delta.
Is this going to be a departure from the low-cost image/service for AB?

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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 9 hours ago) and read 13214 times:



Quoting Xtra1 (Thread starter):
This means that AB are installing new lie-flat business class seats, similar to Air Canada and Delta.
Is this going to be a departure from the low-cost image/service for AB?

Now that they have taken over LTU and DE's longhaul services, they need a pointy-end product to compete with LH for business traffic. The product they've chosen looks very like the NZ/AC flat beds, which will put them ahead of LH in terms of J seating. Good for them !


User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 9 hours ago) and read 13139 times:

The main problem is that their feeder/shorthaul product is still only a single class product.
Lack of lounges and premium service makes the AB C product not competitive!

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Now that they have taken over LTU and DE's longhaul services

So far they did not take over DE! Rumors are out here in nearly every direction. Wait till 9th june and then hopefully the cartel authorities will announce some kind of decision.


User currently offlineRivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 13119 times:



Quoting Xtra1 (Thread starter):
Is this going to be a departure from the low-cost image/service for AB?

Obviously...!

Here's a link where they spell out their new strategy for their longhaul products...

AirBerlin Relax/Business

Riv'



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User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1170 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 13087 times:

Those seats must be comfortable if Rainer Calmund can fit into them and still smile.  mischievous 


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User currently offlineDavidlc3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 13007 times:



Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 3):
AirBerlin Relax/Business

I am very confused...are they offering all 3 types of business class on one a/c?


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 12921 times:



Quoting SQ325 (Reply 2):
Lack of lounges and premium service makes the AB C product not competitive!

Lounges is easily fixable - just need to find a space and send out to IKEA for a couple of hundred armchairs, and get a liquor license.

Quoting Davidlc3 (Reply 5):
I am very confused...are they offering all 3 types of business class on one a/c?

Looks like the the "Relax" product is intended on leisure routes, kind of like a premium economy. The "Business" and "Premium Business" product looks like its for more mixed routes e.g JFK, MIA and maybe new ones where they will be competing with LH for business traffic.


User currently offlineCaspritz78 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 12912 times:



Quoting Davidlc3 (Reply 5):
I am very confused...are they offering all 3 types of business class on one a/c?

No. Relax Class will be offered on typical long-haul tourist routes while the Business Class and new Business Class will be offered on all other long-haul routes, for example DUS-JFK. Actually under the link provided you can look up the destinations on the right side of the web page.


User currently offlineAviationMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 12705 times:



Quoting Cgnnrw (Reply 4):
Those seats must be comfortable if Rainer Calmund can fit into them and still smile. mischievous

The seat must be spacious and durable too if it is able to take his weight... now the real test if it can support Calmund for a whole 12 hours Big grin


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 12581 times:

Does this mean that certain -200 & -300 series aircraft will be assigned to the JFK route?

I can imagine -ALPJ has the new product, I know she was at JFK on Wednesday.



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3830 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months ago) and read 12317 times:



Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 8):
The seat must be spacious and durable too if it is able to take his weight... now the real test if it can support Calmund for a whole 12 hours

Running the risk of going off topic here, I was confused when I saw that picture. He seems to have his ass in the front. I have never seen a person like that.

Soren  santahat 



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27251 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months ago) and read 12308 times:

Very nice J seats have to say . Didnt expect that from Air Berlin. How much will it cost compared to other airlines on similar routes???

User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months ago) and read 12269 times:



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
The product they've chosen looks very like the NZ/AC flat beds

This seat is similar to the one that AC and DL use, where the seat completely reclines to become flat. VS and NZ use a slightly different design where the seat flips forward and the BACK of the seat forms the sleeping surface.

From reviews I've read on-line, the VS and NZ version is nicer to sleep, however the AC and DL product is nicer to sit in as it reclines much more than the VS and NZ version do.


User currently offlineJTR From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12202 times:

I hope, for Air Berlin's stake, that the guy in the picture isn't on any of their promotional materials.

User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11887 times:



Quoting Xtra1 (Thread starter):
This means that AB are installing new lie-flat business class seats, similar to Air Canada and Delta.
Is this going to be a departure from the low-cost image/service for AB?

Well, what I have to say is, that although AB was kind of marketing themselves as rather a LCC I always thought that they've never been a real LCC. In fact, I thought their service was usually on par with quite a number of European Blueshipcarriers and better then most of the US airlines I have flown so far (this is obivously talking about the Y product of the airlines as AB does/did not offer J). I think that AB has always been a decent airline (okay I've never been on one of their "Malle-Express", luckily  Wink). I think they could have a real chance in the l/h business in Germany, maybe if the could kind of establish themself as kind of the German VS (obviously they are lacking SRB)

Quoting JTR (Reply 13):
I hope, for Air Berlin's stake, that the guy in the picture isn't on any of their promotional materials.

Well actually that guy really is pretty popular in Germany. He used to be the manager of a big football club in Germany (Bayer Leverkusen) and you know what's the true religion in Europe  Wink.

GlobeEx



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User currently offlineAS777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11875 times:



Quoting JTR (Reply 13):
I hope, for Air Berlin's stake, that the guy in the picture isn't on any of their promotional materials.

From a PR/Advertisers standpoint, I hope the image they are trying to get across is "No matter how fat you are, even if you have a huge "hangover belly" you will still fit and be comfortable in our new Business Class"

 Wow!


User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1987 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11859 times:

OMG! those new business class seats look very narrow!! It will be difficult for the fat people to fit into that seats!


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User currently offlineXtra1 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 111 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11084 times:

Going to be very confusing for customers; offering THREE different Long-Haul Busines Class products!!

User currently offlineHanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10908 times:



Quoting Burj (Reply 12):
This seat is similar to the one that AC and DL use, where the seat completely reclines to become flat. VS and NZ use a slightly different design where the seat flips forward and the BACK of the seat forms the sleeping surface.

From reviews I've read on-line, the VS and NZ version is nicer to sleep, however the AC and DL product is nicer to sit in as it reclines much more than the VS and NZ version do.

Having flown in biz class on both NZ and AC, I can tell you for that most part that is correct. I prefer the NZ version of the seat as it is also wider. I found the AC seats narrow (when in the sleeping position) and claustrophobic (and I'm a little guy, under 6'). So I can only imagine what it must be like for some of you giants out there!  Wink



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User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3338 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10610 times:



Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 8):

Are the four ladies there to pull him out of the seat at the end of the flight?  Big grin



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10286 times:



Quoting SQ325 (Reply 2):
The main problem is that their feeder/shorthaul product is still only a single class product.
Lack of lounges and premium service makes the AB C product not competitive!

According to a company statement to their more senior frequent flyers, AB is going to introduce lounge acces for TOP BONUS GOLD members "this summer".



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10112 times:



Quoting Burj (Reply 12):
From reviews I've read on-line, the VS and NZ version is nicer to sleep, however the AC and DL product is nicer to sit in as it reclines much more than the VS and NZ version do.

I've flown on both the NZ and AC versions, and it's hard to choose between them. I think on the whole I preferred the AC version, it was a little narrower but the recline was better and you didn't have to get up to convert the seat. NZ's was very comfortable though, and I slept well on both seats.


User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9513 times:



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 21):
I've flown on both the NZ and AC versions, and it's hard to choose between them.



Quoting HanginOut (Reply 18):
Having flown in biz class on both NZ and AC,

Something else I've read, and their respective website seem to confirm this, is that the NZ product is designed so that the ottoman/foot rest, can double as seat. This allows two people to work or eat together, facing each other directly.

The AC/DL (and presumably this AB) version does not have this capability.

Can people confirm this?


User currently offlineCaspritz78 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9476 times:



Quoting Xtra1 (Reply 17):
Going to be very confusing for customers; offering THREE different Long-Haul Busines Class products!!

But only for a certain period. The new business class will eventually replace the current one and then Air Berlin will offer just Relax Class and New Business Class.


User currently offlineHanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9449 times:



Quoting Burj (Reply 22):
Something else I've read, and their respective website seem to confirm this, is that the NZ product is designed so that the ottoman/foot rest, can double as seat. This allows two people to work or eat together, facing each other directly.

The AC/DL (and presumably this AB) version does not have this capability.

Yes, it's true. You can sit on the Ottoman and face each other on NZ, but not on the AC/DL seat. Mind you, I don't know how many people actually do this, as I'm wondering who gets stuck sitting on the Ottoman, while the other person has the "nice" seat to sit in (especially, during meal times)?  scratchchin  I think it's more of a marketing gimmick (but an effective one).



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User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9251 times:



Quoting HanginOut (Reply 24):
Mind you, I don't know how many people actually do this, as I'm wondering who gets stuck sitting on the Ottoman, while the other

Well if a couple are traveling together they can take turns, we'll have dinner at "my place" and breakfast at "your place"
 Smile


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