USAFDO From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5377 times:
Now that DL has purchased NW, and they are merged...already acting as one company (i.e. expending pass travel to all DL employees), do the NW F/A's also get this pay raise also since they are now part of DL?
611ATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5365 times:
It's just the flight attendants who are in the midst of a vote for unionization right now. These pay increases cover all scale employees and have been in the works for quite some time. They wouldn't give the whole company a raise just to keep 14,000 of us from organizing! Since DL emerged from Chapter 11 the executive leadership has stated time and time again that all DL employees deserve to be paid at or above industry standard and has stuck to their published timelines for the pay reviews. If DL couldn't afford the raise they wouldn't have announced it. Besides, we took some pretty deep cuts and labor is currently very "efficient" and low-cost for Delta. Had our quarterly earnings been better, we may have gotten a 5-8% increase...who knows?!
DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8964 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5294 times:
Quoting Cpd (Reply 3): Disgusting and dirty tricks.
Yea dam them for give them pay raises I vote we just take Anderson out back and shoot him and then give them all a 50-60% pay cut.
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 7): I've concluded that no matter what Delta does, somebody won't like it. They could of lowered everyone else 3% instead, would that be better?
Quoting USAFDO (Reply 8): Now that DL has purchased NW, and they are merged...already acting as one company (i.e. expending pass travel to all DL employees), do the NW F/A's also get this pay raise also since they are now part of DL?
1) merger not done yet got to pass DOJ
2) Only NON-Union which would leave all of NW and the DALPA out.
611ATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5218 times:
Quoting Lono (Reply 16): Does this bring the DL employees back up to where they were before they took the last paycuts???
I'm not sure as each employee group varies. A lot of the cuts in In-Flight (F/As) were changes to the work rules, premiums for health insurance (it was SWEET when it was entirely free), reduction in sick time (which they recently enhanced but we still have very few days at full pay), etc. So it's hard to gauge as our whole "benefits package" has been altered completely. As far as actual hourly pay rates go, it brings us pretty close to where we were a few years ago. Still not as high as before 9/11, but who is? Well, besides WN!
611ATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5202 times:
Quoting USAFDO (Reply 17): If the DL F/A get unionized, do they still get to keep the rate increase?
Yes. The F/As will continue to work under their current work rules and pay until a contract is negotiated and ratified (could take a while). The only down side is if DL dishes out pay increases during negotiations, the F/As won't automatically get them (since we'd be operating in our "status quo" state).
USAFDO From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5167 times:
If the DL F/A's don't get their raises because they brought in the union, that would probably mean the company lied to them.... given that the company has implied their wages right now are below standard, and they want to bring them back up.
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5157 times:
Quoting USAFDO (Reply 17): If the DL F/A get unionized, do they still get to keep the rate increase?
contrary to above, very doubtful - at least once a contract is implemented. There is no assurance that anything DL flight attendants have today will remain in a contract - and there is no requirement that DL would keep anything.
This pay raise really has nothing to do with the flight attendants. DL has said since they came out of bankruptcy that they would be giving pay raises as often as they could until their employees reached industry average pay. They stated their intentions of having a pay raise this year long before the election was certified.
There is no doubt that DL uses its compensation policies to do what is in its best interests which include keeping unions away. But remember that unionized companies also sit on pay increases just to frustrate their unions so I'm not sure why this should be viewed as anything more sinister. Delta, like every airline, is a business and will act in its own best interests.
USAFDO From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5098 times:
Just think of all the money they could have given to the DL F/A instead of the millions and millions of dollars of company money they have squandered & wasted away by hiring their union busting company to combat the union trying to come in to make everything "fair & equitable".
I hope the DL F/A's realize their only hope for any type of protection is to vote that union in.....
I would rather work for a non-union company in a unionized industry.
The threat of unions keeps DL honest. They give their workers raises frequently, pay them above industry average and generally treat them fairly well.
The AMT pay is close to the bottom of the industry and the 18% paycut has hardly been restored even with last years 3.5% raise and now a 3% (I wonder if that will only be on the base rate again). Many AMT's are still heading out the door, finding better jobs and not looking back. As far as delta being honest...
How a company that sets up protected pensions for the management and then whacks the employee's pension plan be called honest is way beyond me.
PhaetonFell From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 63 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5072 times:
Quoting USAFDO (Reply 22): I hope the DL F/A's realize their only hope for any type of protection is to vote that union in.....
Yeah, because they've been so mistreated and maligned. And now on top of it, management has the gall to force a 3% increase down their throat; with barely any advance notice and totally without their consent at that!
Listen, DL has been largely non-union as long as they have because they strategically care about their employees. Strategically; meaning that they take care of their employees not because they are a bunch of nice executives who's secret mission is to bring joy to people's lives, but because it is in their own best interest to do so, i.e. they are a business and it makes good business sense to be non-union.
There is a reason that unionization efforts have failed there in the past and it's largely because the majority (an important number in this case) do NOT feel that they need to pay someone else to communicate with mgmt. Mgmt has done a pretty good job of keeping lines of communication open, and they have largely stuck by their words when possible.
Example: they said they would raise pay and, by golly, those sinister devils have the audacity to follow through. This is obviously meant as a slap in the face to the employee.
25 USAFDO: PatetonFell........you are so out of touch with reality.... It's so amusing. There are thousands & thousands of DL F/A's that would beg to differ with
26 PhaetonFell: Glad I could brighten your day. But I would appreciate if you would enlighten me and point out where I'm off? Is there another reason DL hasn't been m
27 PhaetonFell: Also, USAFDO, if you could extend me the basic courtesy of addressing me by my actual handle I would consider it a personal favor.
28 USAFDO: Read all about it............ http://www.deltaafa.org/
29 PhaetonFell: Thanks for the effort, but a union run website is not something I put a lot of stock in the veracity of. We can agree on this: on midnight of the 23rd
30 611ATL: There are also a large number of F/As who don't care for the AFA and aren't voting (it's the only way to vote 'no'). The pro-AFA ones are just a bit
31 WorldTraveler: it is also likely that just based on the numbers of FAs at both DL and NW that there will be another union election in a couple of years. Even if DL's
32 Tu154m: Nope......with the 3% last year and this 3% most are still 13% below what they were at and still near the bottom of the industry.
33 Cpd: It's a dirty trick because it is discriminatory based on the status of one being a union member or not. All workers should get equal rights, there sh
34 611ATL: The only group being left-out are the pilots (and I believe some dispatchers). For the most part, DL is a non-union company. It's not discriminatory
35 SkyguyB727: Back in the mid-90s, the AAirline I worked for gave an average of 6% merit raises. It sure was nice to go from $5.50 per hour to $5.85 per hour after
36 RampGuy: Would someone tell me if this raise includes Delta's subsidiary companies like Delta Global (DGS) and Delta Technology? Do those employees get a raise
37 FlyPNS1: Historically, the South has not been fond of unionization. This benefits DL as a disproportionate number of DL employees are Southerners. Why's that?
38 NWAESC: There's also a drive right now to organize the ramp and agents. I know you know the answer, but for everyone else, that would be a big "no."
39 Mayor: Ahem, excuse me?? The ONLY unions at DL at this time is ALPA and the small group of dispatchers....that's it. How can this be discriminatory?
40 Mayor: It would be interesting to see the figures on this, if any were available. I think you might be surprised to see that Southerners aren't as large a m
41 EXAAUADL: Im not anti-union, but really what have private sector unions accomplished for their members since say 1980??
42 NWAESC: ...As well as all of the DL fanboys....