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SkyWest Bringing In -700's Into LGB  
User currently offlineA380fo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Starting June 5th, OO starts to bring in (3) CRJ-700 flights. So that makes a little over half of LGB flights to/from SLC on the -700 series.

BUT

Long Beach Airport has just informed OO that the -700 might not be able to come in because of its weight is over the commuter slot per definition. That's crazy. They have known about the flight upgrades since April, and now want to tell OO a mere month before schedule?

Whats your guys' thoughts?

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User currently offlineN1120A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2843 times:



Quoting A380fo (Thread starter):

Long Beach Airport has just informed OO that the -700 might not be able to come in because of its weight is over the commuter slot per definition. That's crazy. They have known about the flight upgrades since April, and now want to tell OO a mere month before schedule?

Whats your guys' thoughts?

Rules are rules, even if they are crap rules. OO should know how much their planes weigh and what the rules at LGB are. What I want to know is if OO's CR7s are heavier than QX's CR7s, which operated into LGB until AS got their full sized slots.


User currently offlineLAXintl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

For starters, the CRJ-700 has operated at LGB before under commuter slots by Horizon Air in the past.

I do know the CR7 does have some weight options, and it could be the OO models are above the 75,000lbs which would indeed put them over what is allowed for by the 5 commuter slots which are held by Delta.

Now, if the planes are indeed >75,000lbs and this was done purposefully by OO or DL in anticipation of JetBlue having managed to gain favor and to getting the city to amend its definition of commuter slots changes, the folks in St George or Atlanta were really smoking something. JetBlue was quite soundly told off last week by the airport planning commission.

A lenghty thread covering JetBlue's desired changes and the greater LGB situation can be found at; http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3940716/


User currently offlineAlias1024 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2815 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
I do know the CR7 does have some weight options, and it could be the OO models are above the 75,000lbs which would indeed put them over what is allowed for by the 5 commuter slots which are held by Delta.

OO CRJ-700
Max Ramp Wt: 75,250 lbs
Max T/O Wt: 75,000 lbs


User currently onlineGoldenshield From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2787 times:



Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 3):
OO CRJ-700
Max Ramp Wt: 75,250 lbs
Max T/O Wt: 75,000 lbs

Just to clarify here, the rules are only based on MTOW.


User currently offlineC150Driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

Doesn't Mesa fly the 900 into LGB from PHX?

User currently onlineGoldenshield From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2561 times:



Quoting C150Driver (Reply 5):
Doesn't Mesa fly the 900 into LGB from PHX?

They do depending on the schedule, and they are using AWA's (now USAirways) mainline slots, as apportioned by US themselves.


User currently offlineCWAFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2327 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
Rules are rules, even if they are crap rules. OO should know how much their planes weigh and what the rules at LGB are. What I want to know is if OO's CR7s are heavier than QX's CR7s, which operated into LGB until AS got their full sized slots.

Delta makes these decisions and they typically only want performance data and any potential weight restrictions. Unfortunately, the details have to get worked out later and aren't always to peoples' liking. This isn't the first time Delta has scheduled something and a "Gotcha" comes up later.


User currently offlineDurangoMac From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 8):
This isn't the first time Delta has scheduled something and a "Gotcha" comes up later.

This is actually exactly what happened because Delta is the one who schedules all the contracted flights. OO's market planning department can only request changes or inform Delta of problems with the schedule (block time, slot restriction, equipment restrictions......).

Edit to correct word usage.

[Edited 2008-05-03 20:58:38]

User currently offlineCWAFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2052 times:



Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 8):
This is actually exactly what happened because Delta is the one who schedules all the contracted flights.

I think I said that already.

Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 7):
Delta makes these decisions



User currently offlineDurangoMac From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 1881 times:



Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 9):
I think I said that already.

I was just confirming you comment as fact. I know first hand that DL and UA don't always pay attention to the details when creating/modifying schedules.


User currently offlineN1120A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 1857 times:



Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 7):

Delta makes these decisions and they typically only want performance data and any potential weight restrictions.

One look at the airport would have told them performance wouldn't be an issue. I just can't believe someone at that airline didn't take a look at the rules.


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