Probably result of UA upping service(3x daily) and resigning the Toyota contract for corporate travel LAX-SAT
I suspect however we are only at the tip of the iceberg for significant industry route cuts which will occur after the summer peak, where such non core and particularly non-hub flying will likely fall out of favor.
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SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4960 posts, RR: 15 Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 18288 times:
Interesting stuff. On another thread, people are pointing to B6 turning AUS into a focus city; AA seems to be backing out of same. I also notice that WN is rather involved in a number of these "ex-AA" markets, eg., LAX-SAT, LAX(SNA)-AUS, OAK (in general), and WN could always slip into a few of the other abandoned AA routes (if they see any potential there, of course), e.g., RDU-STL, SEA-AUS, SNA-AUS...
I wonder if SAN-BOS (apparently on the death-watch list for years now) will survive the cuts?
And what about the "controvertial" PDX-ORD route; will that be axed again (at least for the winter?)
AJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 724 posts, RR: 16 Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17534 times:
As normal MIA is going to drop quite a few frequencies (the equivalent of aprox 16 daily flights) on 9/3. The bulk of them will return on 11/20 or 12/18 except for the frequencies listed below that have not been scheduled to return...
MIA -- GCM from 3 to 2 daily
MIA -- GUA from 3 to 2 daily (MIA-GUA #3 has not even started yet, it begins on 7/2)
MIA -- LGA from 11 to 9 daily (Wonder what the LGA slots will go to? More LGA-RDU RJs?)
MIA -- PUJ from 2 to 1 daily
MIA -- STI from 2 daily to six weekly
MIA -- VVI from 5 weekly to 3 weekly
MIA -- YUL from 3 daily to 2 daily
**Also new daily service to GND and ANU begins on 9/3.
Soxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 858 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 17459 times:
With all these cuts, what happens to the crews that normally staff these flights? I recognize that any one crew is not dedicated to a specific route, but if these planes aren't reassigned to fly somewhere else, are the crews stuck/out of work?
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NYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 683 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 17357 times:
Surprising news about ORD-FCO. Never thought it was a huge moneymaker, but I thought it would be kept.
And MIA-YUL going down to 2 flights is surprising, too. My peeps fly down to Ft. Lauderdale/Miami in droves during the winter season. Hollywood is an outpost of Quebec in the winter! About the only place in America I can find a Quebec French Montreal newspaper at the newstand.
Csavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1344 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 16284 times:
Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 10): And MIA-YUL going down to 2 flights is surprising, too. My peeps fly down to Ft. Lauderdale/Miami in droves during the winter season. Hollywood is an outpost of Quebec in the winter! About the only place in America I can find a Quebec French Montreal newspaper at the newstand.
But I would think most of the Quebecuois on that route would rather fly into FLL, or even PBI. Some might live in Miami Beach or, up near Hallandale, but they can fly out of FLL just the same. I don't know if AA does that run but Air Canada sure does, may be others.
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SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4960 posts, RR: 15 Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15862 times:
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 6): I guess if WN can fly SEA-ABQ then they can fly SEA-AUS, but I wouldn't hold my breath
I'm not sure that I would think it too likely either since WN hasn't done it yet, or even before AA did. I was mostly thinking that a lot of these failed AA routes are between WN stations so it would not be a big deal for WN to start any themselves that looked good. If AA pulled the routes because the traffic wasn't there, then it PROBABLY wouldn't be there for WN either, but of course WN doesn't need as much traffic to have a successful route...
Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 13): . Austin-Orange County
Both of these are strong IT routes ("Nerd Birds") - are AA betting on the IT industry tanking ? Or has it already ?
I'm pretty sure that WN used to fly AUS-RDU nonstop (and/or SAT-RDU?) because there was a SAN tag-on to the flights providing thru (direct) SAN-RDU service for a while. Maybe WN would rethink the route now, but again, if the traffic wasn't there for AA...
DiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 799 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15623 times:
Quoting Soxfan (Reply 9): With all these cuts, what happens to the crews that normally staff these flights? I recognize that any one crew is not dedicated to a specific route, but if these planes aren't reassigned to fly somewhere else, are the crews stuck/out of work?
These routes are a tiny fraction of AA's total route network. Surely there's enough turnover in staffing (retirements/resignations/terminations on one hand and new hires on the other hand) that such reductions can be managed without layoffs.
ThreeIfByAir From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 598 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15382 times:
AS may be interested in a SEA-AUS 1x daily 73G, but I'm not too confident. Fuel prices being what they are, and DFW already having AS service, it might not work. AS would have considerable feed from connections, but it is the same feed that AA had. Not promising, IMO.
Really too bad about ORD-FCO, seeing as AZ remains in a precarious financial situation. There are still plenty of ways to connect to FCO from the West Coast, however.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21750 posts, RR: 19 Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14900 times:
Quoting Lexy (Reply 21): Doubtful as it is a license to print money for AA in this market.
It might be AA's second most profitable route (per seat) ex-LAX (after JFK).
Quoting SFOQQAA (Reply 16): AA is not alone with the FCO cut. Saw in another thread that Air Canada is dropping YYZ-FCO as well.
I wonder if this has something to do with AZ's decision to focus on FCO at the expense of MXP. It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, the other US players do (might US cut FCO, for instance?).
Quoting Commavia (Thread starter): . St. Louis-Raleigh/Durham (Connection will remain in market)
. St. Louis-San Antonio (Connection will remain in market)
I wouldn't make too much of either of these cuts; both were mixed mainline/Connection routes, and AA has been monkeying with the Connection schedules a bunch, mainly to transfer some ERJ capacity to MIA (a smart move, FWIW).
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25 Catdaddy63: The MIA cuts would lead one to believe that some of the 738's might be moving to DFW and retirement of some of the older MD80's might be happening as
26 MAH4546: These are not MIA cuts. The majority of these flights, including the 3rd MIAYUL flight, resume 01NOV08, even though they are not in the schedules yet
27 Brilondon: Maybe it is not the airline but the city that is causing Alitalia to have problems.
28 DesertAir: I am shocked that AA is leaving Oakland completely. I flew on them many times when I lived in the East Bay on s number of trips to Monterrey, Mexico.
29 Atrude777: Yes, 6 thru flights, and 8 Connecting for a total of 14 scheduled DAL-OAK flights to choose from. Alex
30 AZNCSA4QF744ER: WOW!!! American is abandoning these routes? Wow, for years AA held these routes to themselves. United just added these routes not too long ago..... D
31 Commavia: Both LAX-SAT and AUS-SNA have been introduced just in the last two years. AA did previously fly LAX-SAT briefly back in the late 1990s, but that's it
32 UPPERDECKFAN: It means one less station for OW, thus reinforcing poor US coverage by OW
33 PanAm747: The only one that comes as surprise to me is DFW-OAK, given that OAK seems to handle domestically whatever SJC and SFO have had. Perhaps the IT downtu
34 PanAm330: Until CO joins. Then all will be well for OW.
35 PHLwok: Pretty unlikely - this is one of the routes US flies year round with the A333. If it were underperforming I'd expect them to downsize to a 762 or go
36 Usairways85: 762 won't reach And actually during the down season sometimes the flight does go 5 or 6 weekly. CO on EWR-FCO goes 5 weekly during part of the winter
37 PanAm330: They're -ERs. Yes they will. They do PHL-ATH daily as it is.
38 Chgoflyer: Chicago-Rome (may return seasonally for summer 2009, but as of now, looks like a permanent discontinuation) Ive heard ORD FCO is staying on year round
39 WesternA318: I don't know why AMR decided to turn AUS into this sort of mini-focus city. Can anyone fill me in? Were these run by Mad Dogs or 738s? What's left at
40 Sflaflight: LAX-FLL was 757 service! Can't say about LAX-SAT!
41 PHLwok: US started service to FCO with the 762ER before the A333's were delivered. Remember, the 762ER has greater range than the 333; the reason the 333 get