Mark your calendar. September 2nd is the last day you'll see CO in DAB.
This leaves DL, FL, and US. And FL still doesn't have anything in the schedule for DAB past June 10th. But word is that some people are still trying to get them to stay. I don't see it happening, with fuel prices going up and airlines chopping a lot. US is currently operated by Republic with E170s but switches to Air Wisconsin with CRJ2s on June 6th. DL goes from 6x MD88s to 2x MD88s + 4x CR7s on June 5th. Not going to be a good summer for DAB.
Luv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1648 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6542 times:
UGH! Time to start driving to MCO (or, more likely, JAX since that airport lacks the "Disney Crowd")! To be honest, not terribly surprising though, doing rough math by comparing prices for flights on Orbitz to how full the flights I've been on have been, I'm amazed they're sticking around all the way until Sep.
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Rampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6473 times:
Just curious is to how and why the high fuel costs are causing CO to pull out of DAB and not the other carriers? Don't the all airlines pay the same for their fuel?
KcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3436 posts, RR: 7 Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6448 times:
Quoting Rampguy (Reply 2): Just curious is to how and why the high fuel costs are causing CO to pull out of DAB and not the other carriers? Don't the all airlines pay the same for their fuel?
The article says poor economic performance. It wasnt just fuel.
Apodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3386 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6355 times:
Here is what I think a big part of the problem is. Everyone is attracted to the Cheaper Airfares at MCO. The airfare itself might be cheaper, but that doesn't mean it doesn't cost more to fly out of MCO. Assuming that a ticket costs $80 more out of DAB than MCO, it would probably be cheaper. If you were to use the DOTS service that runs from DAB, that easily costs you $60 unless they have gone up, and the service is not very reliable at all. If you are being picked up somewhere, it will cost more for that. And if you drive, at todays Gas Prices, you can easily assume at least 6 Gallons of fuel for the roundtrip, which is at least $20, and parking at the airport will set you back at least $30 more and probably a lot more. Throw in Tolls on the 417 and/or the Beeline, and the savings just isn't there. At most you may be paying $5.00 more total, but you get the benefits of a much shorter trip to the airport, which will increase your ability to get work done, and give you more free time, and a much shorter TSA line, and a hassle free airport.
But when people comparison shop airfares, no one thinks about these things, all they look at is Airfare, when you really need to factor everything in. I think if more people did that, DAB would get more PAX service. I know the only thing that kept me away from using it more when I was in College was lack of service. But I used it when I could. I flew to LGW one summer while in college, and the airfare to LGW was exactly the same out of DAB as it was out of MCO. Guess which one I used?
Very much agreed. When researching trips, I frequently type in JFK/LGA as I live in between BDL and BOS. I'll find a decent fare, but what I forget to take into account is a 60 dollar Amtrak ticket. I can just take that 60 and put it on a ticket out of Boston or Hartford.
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TransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 1989 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6207 times:
Quoting Apodino (Reply 4): The airfare itself might be cheaper, but that doesn't mean it doesn't cost more to fly out of MCO. Assuming that a ticket costs $80 more out of DAB than MCO, it would probably be cheaper.
For me the difference between MCO and DAB is not $80, but $400, and...
Quoting Apodino (Reply 4): but you get the benefits of a much shorter trip to the airport, which will increase your ability to get work done,
... I can get a non-stop to MCO, which I can't to DAB. Even with the extra drive, I'm still faster that way.
NAS-MCO = 333 miles, MCO-DAB (driving) = 71 miles
NAS-ATL-DAB = 1091 miles
In other words, if your destination from DAB is South, MCO is your airport.
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CitrusCritter From Palau, joined May 2007, 1072 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6105 times:
Quoting Pilotboi (Thread starter): And FL still doesn't have anything in the schedule for DAB past June 10th. But word is that some people are still trying to get them to stay. I don't see it happening
I'm not sure if FL pulling out of DAB - if it does indeed happen - is DAB's fault or FL's fault or more likely both. FL has looked at DAB completely as a tourist destination with 2x afternoon flights whenever I've checked. They have not targeted the Volusia County business community hardly at all.
I think the ultimate problem here is that the gate space at ATL can be better utilized for a higher yielding destination. If gate space wasn't at a premium, that might be different, but alas. Perhaps DAB will simply become a seasonal destination, as I have actually utilized the DAB service (yes, I drove from MCO to DAB) and it was very nice...lovely airport, no stress.
AdamWright From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6047 times:
Too bad to see another carrier will be pulling out of the DAB market. Guess this will mean an increase in business for Delta and AirTran on the DAB-NYC routes.
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8423 posts, RR: 16 Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6026 times:
Quoting Apodino (Reply 4): Throw in Tolls on the 417 and/or the Beeline, and the savings just isn't there. At most you may be paying $5.00 more total, but you get the benefits of a much shorter trip to the airport,
Very true. When I went to MCO a couple weeks ago, tolls cost me 3.25.
Quoting TransIsland (Reply 6):
... I can get a non-stop to MCO, which I can't to DAB. Even with the extra drive, I'm still faster that way.
Very true. Hit beach line to 417, then take it to you hit I-4 and its straight in to Daytona from there.
I think this sad but a wise move for CO. As other members mentioned, we have MCO, and JAX to play with.
PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2510 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5950 times:
Spiffy. One more airline drops DAB. DL will never put LGA back up. So there goes our NYC service. I hope like hell that whoever runs the airport either pays them to stay, or gets B6 in here. We're down to US and DL soon then, and nobody knows how long US is going to stay, especially since they've already downgraded their equipment used. This is just a really crappy situation, especially for me, since I've used CO every chance I can to avoid ATL and CR2s to SYR. At least CO offered ERJs and Q400s (IMO 10x better than a CRJ). Here's to hoping the airport can get them to stay!
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 20630 posts, RR: 62 Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5927 times:
Quoting Apodino (Reply 4): But when people comparison shop airfares, no one thinks about these things, all they look at is Airfare, when you really need to factor everything in.
Not many are going to DAB to get work done (or coming from DAB for that reason). For a family, the cost of flying into MCO and renting a car there and driving to the coast is cheaper than flying to DAB in many cases, so thats what they do.
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Pilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5781 times:
Quoting AdamWright (Reply 9): Guess this will mean an increase in business for Delta and AirTran on the DAB-NYC routes.
What DAB-NYC routes? They all ended already and most likely we'll never see them come back.
Quoting MKE22 (Reply 13): Nope, FL is pulling out entirely after June 10th. Sad for DAB
Did you even read my whole post? lol, I did mention that.
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12): Quoting Apodino (Reply 4):
But when people comparison shop airfares, no one thinks about these things, all they look at is Airfare, when you really need to factor everything in.
Not many are going to DAB to get work done (or coming from DAB for that reason). For a family, the cost of flying into MCO and renting a car there and driving to the coast is cheaper than flying to DAB in many cases, so thats what they do.
For all those that realize the increase in fare by using DAB over MCO can sometimes be made up by not having to pay for gas and tolls to get to MCO, there's one other thing to consider. As Lkamerica pointed out, it may be equal for one person, but what if you have a family of 4 or 5? Multiple that ticket by 4 or 5, which means multiple the difference of the MCO and DAB tickets by 4 or 5. That's quite a number, and will not be made up with a 1 hour drive, especially if the kids are young, if you know what I mean.
MKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1094 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5764 times:
Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 14): Did you even read my whole post? lol, I did mention that.
You said you weren't completely sure if they were pulling out as a whole from what I understood. I was just clarifying that for you.
Quoting Pilotboi (Thread starter): And FL still doesn't have anything in the schedule for DAB past June 10th. But word is that some people are still trying to get them to stay.
Sorry I guess i didn't see that last part about some people trying to get them to stay my fault.
Airbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 458 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5715 times:
I make about 4 international trips a year and I try my best to fly out of DAB because it's so much more convenient and the drive on the I-4 is so boring. I have flown to Germany and several times to London from DAB for the same price (if not cheaper) than a roundtrip from MCO. DAB is smaller so there is less check in hassle. And did I mention that at DAB, I don't have to deal with racial profiling??
Luisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5639 times:
It is weird that they cant fill there flights when MLB is seeing very good loads, I have not seen an empty flight in a while there, I guess there is more bussiness traffic at MLB but I always thought DAB performed better.
FlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5639 times:
Quoting Rampguy (Reply 2): Just curious is to how and why the high fuel costs are causing CO to pull out of DAB and not the other carriers? Don't the all airlines pay the same for their fuel?
I don't know if it's the sole factor, but the EWR-DAB flight left EWR around 800 AM, and most of the year was only once daily. Part of the year EWR-DAB was twice daily with an afternoon departure as well and an evening return to EWR so I have to imagine connections had to be quite difficult and very rare coming into DAB through EWR
Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 1): UGH! Time to start driving to MCO (or, more likely, JAX since that airport lacks the "Disney Crowd")!
I'll usually stick to MCO unless JAX is significantly cheaper. MCO is about 40 miles closer and easier to get to (if you take I-95 to the 528 instead of I-4 to 417). JAX is an easier airport to use, but I HATE driving through downtown JAX.
I consider it. To factor in gas, parking and tolls, as well as the convenience of DAB versus MCO, I add $100 to $150 to the price of the ticket out of MCO before comparing it to DAB.
Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 11): We're down to US and DL soon then, and nobody knows how long US is going to stay, especially since they've already downgraded their equipment used. This is just a really crappy situation, especially for me, since I've used CO every chance I can to avoid ATL and CR2s
I think the summer is always slower and DAB usually sees a downgrade of equipment.
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 10): Very true. Hit beach line to 417, then take it to you hit I-4 and its straight in to Daytona from there.
It's faster to drive I-95 down south to 528 then straight over to MCO and avoiding I-4 and 417. It's approximately $2 less in tolls each way and traffic on I-95 and 528 is usually much less than I-4 and 417.
PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2510 posts, RR: 13 Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5447 times:
Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 18): I think the summer is always slower and DAB usually sees a downgrade of equipment.
I know they see a downgrade in equipment. I was talking about my second flight, ATL-SYR. They're all CR2s except one or two frequencies, and it sucks. I'd rather take an ERJ up the coast than an MD80 to ATL and then a CRJ. Either way, it's a real shame they're leaving. The one true quality carrier we had (don't get me wrong - DL is great, but they're just not CO/Xjet).
CO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 418 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5352 times:
Ahh, this is sad. Means I have to fly into MCO now when I need to get to DAB. The hassle, but it will not cost me a lot less to fly and rent a car at MCO than DAB, but I going to miss the convenience.
I also flew DAB-TPA-IAH-DAL once to get home back when I was in college. This was 2002-2003.
Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 18): so I have to imagine connections had to be quite difficult and very rare coming into DAB through EWR
Tell me about it. Since CO is the only airline I fly, I have to get creative to fly to DAB. I did DAL-IAH-LAX-EWR-DAB before to get to Daytona. I did not want to spend the night at the airport so I figured, fly out west catch a red eye into EWR. On the way back I could go straight to EWR then IAH and to DAL, but instead I went EWR-SFO-IAH-DAL. I spent a couple of days in SFO. All of that for under $800! Not bad. It significantly cheaper for me to fly to the west coast and then go to EWR- DAB than fly IAH-EWR or go via ATL to DAB. Go figure?
I should've flown with someone else or gone by car cause United breaks guitars.
Not always. I've seen some slow-moving traffic on the Beachline (528) going towards Orlando, before that one toll a few miles east of MCO. I think it was during PM rush hour. Meanwhile 417 is never backed up.
From MCO to DAB it's quicker to take 417 and then I-4. However tolls on 417 total about $3.50
Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 20): Here's a couple reasons why:
Patrick Air Force Base
NASA/Kennedy Space Center
i'm sure he knows since he lives in MLB, but there's also Cocoa Beach. It gets it's fair share of tourists.
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8423 posts, RR: 16 Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4982 times:
Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 23):
i'm sure he knows since he lives in MLB, but there's also Cocoa Beach. It gets it's fair share of tourists.
I hate going into Cocoa Beach for that reason. No disrespect but people need to learn how to drive or the police will pull you over for this reason. MLB can be cheaper than DAB when going to LAS and other cities. My parents there for 178.00 a person last year.
Quoting Luisca (Reply 17): It is weird that they cant fill there flights when MLB is seeing very good loads
My friend teaches there too. I agree on the good loads as MLB attracts a lot of traffic from MCO. I wish Gulfstream would go to DAB and MLB and offer flights to MIA.
Hunter
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25 Pilotboi: *UPDATE* So the reason CO wants to leave is because of a dispute between them and the airport. I'm not going to disclose the details right now as I do
26 PanAm330: Isn't that the same reason that UA/YV left? They had a dispute as well. IIRC, they were pissed that the airport authority (or county/city, whoever ru
27 FlyDeltaJets87: I don't have a Sunpass so I always get backed up at the toll booths going to MCO on 417, with each sometimes being 3-5 minutes X 3 Booths, that's 9-1
28 Xpfg: They did? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TRS477
30 Xpfg: Thanks for the info. About a week ago I was looking at non-rev on both FL and DL from DAB-LGA, and both flights were oversold. Shame that they couldn
31 PanAm330: FL is using the LGA slots for MKE, and DL only added it as a knee-jerk reaction to FL's service (or so it was said here). Then again, they've run it
32 TWAL1011727: Also....Northrop/Grumman, Rockwell-Collins and some other ones I can't remember. Plus....people living in Vero Beach (Indian River county) and points
33 Clipper136: Don't forget Harris, DRS, and Florida Tech. MLB may not have much service, but their loads are always high.
34 MIAMIx707: Perhaps Skybus should've tried MLB instead while they lasted? ?
35 MOBflyer: With a seasonal mainline presence, this seems like an abrupt and fishy action. Granted, DAB isn't the home to the world's highest yields, but they've
36 RL757PVD: They are probably pissed because the airport has thrown buckets of money at FL and US to either start or maintian service, while CO hasnt asked for a
37 Pilotboi: Nope, that's not it. The dispute was initiated by the airport.
38 RL757PVD: I'll have to call my peeps down there and get the scoup. there's a 1-2 bad apples on the 3rd floor at that airport. Anyone who has worked at or with
39 Tom in NO: Back in my old soapbox I know, but oh for the days when Doug Wolfe ran DAB and DL, EA, PI, and Dolphin all served the airport. Tom at MSY
40 MKE22: God what is FL's motive when looking at adding and dropping flights??? They just pile on for a few months, then pull them on back regardless. I'd lik
41 PanAm330: While I know what you meant by their constant adding and dropping of routes, their reason for pulling off of DAB-LGA is, as I said earlier, because t
42 MKE22: I know, but does MKE-LGA really need 3x daily? Not IMO.
43 NASCARAirforce: As much as I love DAB and was a proponent of it getting more airlines, it just isn't affordable to fly out of there for me when I lived in Daytona Be
44 RL757PVD: CO had recently renewed their leases at DAB, which has thing whole thing fishy to me. I wonder if they are playing hardball with DAB people and using
45 TWAL1011727: Oh they were going to announce (or did) 14 daily flts to up north cities b4 they went belly up KD
46 MAH4546: Yes, it does, if AirTran wants to be serious in the MKE market. Then again, the whole operation is a joke and can't be taken seriously.
47 Jamake1: FWIW, I have been able to get some great fares out of DAB in recent weeks. I flew home to SFO during Spring Break and purchased two one-way tickets. D
48 AdamWright: Starts with an A and ends with a E??? hhahaha
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One more airline drops DAB. DL will never put LGA back up. So there goes our NYC service. I hope like hell that whoever runs the airport either pays them to stay, or gets B6 in here. We're down to US and DL soon then, and nobody knows how long US is going to stay, especially since they've already downgraded their equipment used. This is just a really crappy situation, especially for me, since I've used CO every chance I can to avoid ATL and CR2s to SYR. At least CO offered ERJs and Q400s (IMO 10x better than a CRJ). Here's to hoping the airport can get them to stay!
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