LHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 553 posts, RR: 3 Posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3287 times:
I had seen these flights loaded in the GDS with an A330, however now I'm not able to find them. IIRC, they were to start in mid June. Anyone know what's going on?
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7312 posts, RR: 61 Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3252 times:
Air One is not operating any A330 until now. Unless they plan to receive one in the coming month, or to use their A320/B737 on this route, I don't think they will operate MXP-ORD/BOS ...
Timberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 562 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3216 times:
I just checked AirOne's web sight from ORD to MXP June 21 and they are showing AP21 ORD-MXP on an A330.
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7312 posts, RR: 61 Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3161 times:
Quoting Csturdiv (Reply 3): CH-Aviation says that they have an A330-200, a former Etihad bird.
Correct.
Mea Culpa !
They apparetly received recently (just last April 2008) an A332 registered EI-DIP, msn 339.
The aircraft is an ex-Volare (I-VLEF) and ex-Etihad (A6-EYW) and initially delivered to Canada 3000 as C-GGWD :
Airdolomiti From Italy, joined May 2003, 680 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2972 times:
MXP-BOS starts on June 14, 5 times weekly (1-3-567), and MXP-ORD on June 21, 6 times a week (12-4567).
Their first A330-200, EI-DIP, is currently operating charter flights, mostly to SSH and the Canary Islands I believe. EI-DIR, the second frame, should arrive from AUH some time this month.
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1886 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2746 times:
You know, I haven't heard any news about this flight here in BOS and if it weren't for this site I wonder if anyone would've heard of it. I don't think any of the newspapers covered it. So as a result, I don't know anything about the route's status.
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6869 posts, RR: 7 Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2617 times:
Wow, and A332. That will be a huge increase in capacity from the old AZ 762. No doubt a good thing for the Summer season. BOS desperately needs more capacity to Europe in the Summer.
VS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 978 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2560 times:
Yes, they are hiring. Well, at least, a station manager for BOS. And a friend of mine interviewed for the position and got offered the job but I am not sure it was accepted.
Rcardinale From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2464 times:
i had no idea the BOS route was confirmed that was a nice addition after the loss of AZ on that route. I doubt that it will perform well however after the summer months Good Luck AirOne!
Sflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1182 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2285 times:
Quoting Rcardinale (Reply 9): i had no idea the BOS route was confirmed that was a nice addition after the loss of AZ on that route. I doubt that it will perform well however after the summer months Good Luck AirOne!
Not that I would want to take anything away from BOS, but why in heavens did Air1 not choose MIA? Look at AZ's recent numbers there! Is it that AZ was mostly connection to outside Europe (India, Asia and Africa) and Air1 can't provide that from MXP?
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 7): Wow, and A332. That will be a huge increase in capacity from the old AZ 762.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31107 posts, RR: 74 Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2284 times:
Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 10):
Not that I would want to take anything away from BOS, but why in heavens did Air1 not choose MIA? Look at AZ's recent numbers there! Is it that AZ was mostly connection to outside Europe (India, Asia and Africa) and Air1 can't provide that from MXP?
Beets me why they have chosen to take on two of Alitalia's poorest performing long-haul routes. The Boston route is just a true yield drain. It doesn't even have a true business class product like Miami, New York, and Asian routes do - they use their ancient Club Coral product which is no better than F on an AA 757.
However, AP has four A330s coming online in the next few months, and they are considering adding Miami, Toronto, and/or Dulles come winter 2008/summer 2009.
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1886 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2270 times:
Alitalia survived flying BOS-MXP, but yeah, that one's going to be tough. They offer connections on the MXP side, but not many. On the BOS side, they will codeshare with US but only to three places, and US doesn't serve anywhere from BOS where there is much demand for Italy. Any codeshares on any other carrier probably wouldn't add much either, unless maybe they went to Miami from BOS, and MCO might work as well. I'm sure AP has a few tricks up their sleeves.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31107 posts, RR: 74 Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2253 times:
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 12): I'm sure AP has a few tricks up their sleeves.
There aren't any tricks. It is poorly planned, rushed, and poorly executed. Even entering larger trans-Atlantic markets from Milan that are larger than Boston and Chicago, like Miami, Buenos Aires, and New York City would spell trouble.
COEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2170 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13): There aren't any tricks. It is poorly planned, rushed, and poorly executed. Even entering larger trans-Atlantic markets from Milan that are larger than Boston and Chicago, like Miami, Buenos Aires, and New York City would spell trouble.
They are going at it too quickly.
Is AirOne well know in the US? Or known at all in the US?
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6869 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2125 times:
Perhaps they see potential in leisure traffic. BOS is a huge source of leisure traffic to Italy. Just because AZ couldn't make it work doesn't really say much. AZ was/is a disaster in any way you look at it. If you're a tourist, it doesn't really matter whether you start or end your trip in Rome or Milan. The same can be said for Italian tourists visiting the Northeast US.
B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2089 times:
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 15): Perhaps they see potential in leisure traffic. BOS is a huge source of leisure traffic to Italy. Just because AZ couldn't make it work doesn't really say much. AZ was/is a disaster in any way you look at it. If you're a tourist, it doesn't really matter whether you start or end your trip in Rome or Milan. The same can be said for Italian tourists visiting the Northeast US.
I agree. There must some reason why they have chosen both BOS and ORD to start their North American operations from. Perhaps they felt JFK is too overcrowded with 4 airlines (DL, CO, AA and AZ) offerining multiple daily flights each (sans AA) to FCO, MXP and VCE. I am sure the US codeshare will help a bit with filling the planes to BOS and the UA codeshare will help out the ORD flights.
Sflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1182 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2039 times:
Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 14):
Is AirOne well know in the US? Or known at all in the US?
No. Not at all. That is why I also believe MIA would have been better as Miami and Miami Beach has a huge Italian diaspora (bigger than BOS) who does know and/or is morefamiliar with Aerea Uno!
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31107 posts, RR: 74 Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2003 times:
Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 17): That is why I also believe MIA would have been better as Miami and Miami Beach has a huge Italian diaspora (bigger than BOS) who does know and/or is morefamiliar with Aerea Uno!
Even Miami would be a struggle without a well-executed launch plan. Plus, launching Miami in the summer (or in destiantion during the slower season) isn't always the best idea. Boston-Italy is a bigger market than Miami-Italy during the summer months. Miami has a larger Italian-born community than Boston, but Boston has more people of Italian descent.
Sflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1182 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1950 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Even Miami would be a struggle without a well-executed launch plan. Plus, launching Miami in the summer (or in destiantion during the slower season) isn't always the best idea. Boston-Italy is a bigger market than Miami-Italy during the summer months. Miami has a larger Italian-born community than Boston, but Boston has more people of Italian descent.
Oh I agree with you that Air 1 is running way too fast on this USA thing. But wouldn't Boston be better suited for Southern service (with AZ 615) rather than for MXP?
Also, I was just thinking as for brand familiarity that due to the fact that the Italians in Miami are more likely to be born there, they would be more familiar with Air one instead of the Boston descendents who are not as familiar with the new Italy as much and have Alitalia ingraved in their minds.
I would think Eurofly to Napoli would make more sense than Air one to Milan ex BOS
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6869 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1919 times:
Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 19): Also, I was just thinking as for brand familiarity
Most of Boston-Italy traffic is leisure traffic. That type of passenger doesn't really look or care much about what airline they are flying with. Most of AZ passengers are "packaged" tourists. There's also a lot of packaged group travel between Boston and Italy. About the only airline familiarity these people typically have is that they'll be on an airplane and not on a cruise ship
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31107 posts, RR: 74 Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1910 times:
Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 19): But wouldn't Boston be better suited for Southern service (with AZ 615) rather than for MXP?
Yes, they are. The market between Boston and northern Italy is small. The bulk of the traffic is going to southern Italy. And, as you note, the market between South Florida and northern Italy is huge, because unlike Boston's Italian community which is largely from southern Italy, Miami's Italian community is largely from northern Italy.
VS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 978 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1875 times:
As I live in Boston, I can tell you that Air One flight to any part of Italy would be fairly successful. It is not going to serve just Boston but the entire New England region, and let me tell you there are lots of people of Italian descent here. I would say that the Italians are more than the Irish (purely my estimate, could be wrong) and if Aer Lingus can send 2 A330 during the summer, I do not see why Air One would not do well with 1 A330.
If you follow the link you will see a map of the distribution of Italian Americans across the USA, note that the really heavy concentration is in the Northeast. Also note, that the heavy concentration locations include three New England states: Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island.
BAGoldEx From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1848 times:
Quoting VS11 (Reply 22): let me tell you there are lots of people of Italian descent here
Well then, let me tell you, there is little correlation between ethnic background and travel patterns and what does exist in that regard is typically low yield vfr traffic.
VS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 978 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1825 times:
Quoting BAGoldEx (Reply 23): Quoting VS11 (Reply 22):
let me tell you there are lots of people of Italian descent here
Well then, let me tell you, there is little correlation between ethnic background and travel patterns and what does exist in that regard is typically low yield vfr traffic.
I am not going to debate that as I do not have date prove or disprove your point. Either way, the New England region is pretty big to warrant one daily flight from Boston to Milan. Italy is after all Italy. There is enough interest and demand for Italy. It is another topic if Air One would be able to capitalize on it.
25 Maskeer: If you're Italian and you want to go on business / on holiday / visit your family in Italy, you take a plane to Italy. There lies the correlation, th
26 MAH4546: Italians in Boston are going to southern Italy, nor northern Italy, which isn't anywhere near as touristy and doesn't have as many ethnic ties to Ita
27 Maskeer: I've not said that Boston-Malpensa guarantees a profit for AirOne due to the ethnics of Boston. I ain't no expert, but experience (I too live out of
28 MAH4546: Yes, but not one AirOne, which until this year never flew to Malpensa, and does not operate a hub in Malpensa.
29 Sflaflight: Exactly why I was thinking MXP would be more O&D. According to the Air one website, only available connections (and I haven't checked times to see if
30 Airbazar: Like I said above. If they do the job right they will capitalize on the vary large number of "package tourists" that now fly via AMS/CDG/FCO/MAD/FRA/M
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