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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1569 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16794 times:

According to the Wikipedia article on RAM and photos on A.net, Royal Air Maroc has one B747-400. Does this aircraft ever operate the route to JFK, and if so, how often?

Thanks! CXA330300


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16734 times:
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Casablanca-JFK has been by 763ER's for a while now.

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 16683 times:

Royal Air Maroc does indeed have a sole 747-400. The registration is CN-RGA and normally operates flights from CMN to ORY, AMS, and BRU and FRA in the summer.

To the best of my knowledge the flight to JFK was only operated once by CN-RGA in 2007 and that was due to a technical issue with one of their 767s.


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The aircraft also serves as the ride for the king of Morocco. I caught her at SWF last December when the whole Moroccan entourage was parked at the airport for two weeks:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k170/swfshots/ram7441.jpg



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User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1715 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16568 times:

What is the point of flying a 744 on short hops to Europe? Is the plane used on routes with high loads or is the plane flying around half empty, i know that AT have had several financial problems with the increasing oil prices. If the plane is used for VIP flights, do the plane still have those old worn out interiors, or have they been replaced?


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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16481 times:

i saw their 747 in CDG about 5-6years back was full white livery with just the writing in arabic on one side. what a beast!
There is a huge morrocan population in France, Also connections from african cities to France are popular with AT, from COO, LFW. ABJ,OUA. NIM,



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User currently offlineKL5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16478 times:



Quoting LH4116 (Reply 3):
What is the point of flying a 744 on short hops to Europe?

I guess it has to do with the big number of Maroccan people, living in Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands, spending their summerholidays in Marocco.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27327 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16455 times:

Didnt they used to operate a regular service from Morocco to USA then onto Canada??? Maybe CMN-JFK-YUL???

User currently offlineYVRtoYYZ From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 669 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16426 times:

RAM flies CN-RNS/RNT/ROG CMN-JFK and CMN-YUL.

RGA was used on the CMN-JFK route briefly due to one of their B763s diverting to LPLA bcause of a cracked window.


User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16398 times:

I was once on a RAM 747 flying from FRA to CMN.

It was back in May 2000 (at least that's what I remember) and it was my first flight on a 747.

According to airfleets.net that specific plane (CN-RME) is meanwhile stored in CMN.



[Edited 2008-05-04 11:09:16]

User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16336 times:
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It will be used in the NDR - AMS route this summer operating it once a week!!!

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlineBwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16244 times:

During summer holiday it's a regular visitor to BRU as well, as the large numbers of Moroccans living in Belgium undertake a true exodus during july & august.


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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16213 times:



Quoting LH4116 (Reply 3):
What is the point of flying a 744 on short hops to Europe? Is the plane used on routes with high loads or is the plane flying around half empty



Quoting Soups (Reply 4):
There is a huge morrocan population in France, Also connections from african cities to France are popular with AT, from COO, LFW. ABJ,OUA. NIM,

Yes, France has a large Morrocan population but a lot of them cannot afford to fly their family home, so they are driving through France and Spain and take a ferry there to Morroco. The other good reason to use a 747 from ORY or CDG is the huge number of French people who go to Morroco for vacation (it's one of the most popular destination for French). You have to realize that some days, there could be 15+ flights a day between PAR and RAK, so the use of a 747 during peak-season can be fully justified sometimes.


User currently offlineAirAmericaC46 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16099 times:

AT 744 used to fly CMN-JFK-YUL. I took a flight JFK-YUL in 2000 RT $200------flight almost empty.

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16071 times:

This R.A.M B744 has a funny story.

It was initially an Air France aircraft, F-GITG.
It was supposed to be delivered to AF in January 1993, but AF was in deep trouble at that time, almost bankrupt, didn't need it, so the plane was never taken up and finally went from the Boeing factory straight to storage at Marana.

AF found an agreement with Royal Air Maroc who finally took delivery of this bird in October 1993.

CN-RGA is a regular visitor at ORY & CDG during the high summer season. It is also seen regularly at AMS and BRU.
Actually, I believe it is more often used to Europe flights rather than Long Haul, except when it is used for Official trips the King M.VI.

Here she is, Off Rwy 24, leaving Paris-ORY :


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User currently offlineAH332 From Algeria, joined Mar 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16055 times:

Hi,

Man...this brings back memories! I flew YUL-JFK-CMN 3 times with this bird on my way to Algeria. I was kind of disheartened when i found out that RAM were putting the 763 on this route instead, but that's life!  Smile

Cheers,
Imad



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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2684 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15977 times:



Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 12):
AT 744 used to fly CMN-JFK-YUL. I took a flight JFK-YUL in 2000 RT $200------flight almost empty.

I never knew AT had fifth freedom rights to carry passengers from JFK to YUL and back. See, you learn something new everyday !!



us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27327 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15968 times:



Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 12):
AT 744 used to fly CMN-JFK-YUL. I took a flight JFK-YUL in 2000 RT $200------flight almost empty.

I knew I wasn't mad LOL.... I seem to remember seeing it in the computer system years ago and for some reason it was such a weird route that it stuck in my mind. Glad you answered it. What a cool flight to have gone on.


User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2684 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15964 times:

I wonder if RJ has fifth freedom to carry passengers from YUL to DTW and back?

[Edited 2008-05-04 15:05:54]


us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlineBabaero From Philippines, joined Jan 2002, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15097 times:

Was this not the airframe were two guys fell to there deaths in Canada a few years back. De-icing the stab and the aircraft moved IIRC

User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 14672 times:



Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 17):
I wonder if RJ has fifth freedom to carry passengers from YUL to DTW and back?

RJ flies direct from AMM to YUL, and from AMM to DTW unfortunantly


User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2684 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14081 times:



Quoting Heathrow (Reply 19):
RJ flies direct from AMM to YUL, and from AMM to DTW unfortunantly

Not during the low season. They operate AMM-YUL-DTW-YUL-AMM during the winter !



us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlineBrubiac From Bouvet Island, joined Nov 2003, 217 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13201 times:

This summer 5x a week to BRU from CMN - NDR - TNG and OUD.
On Tuesdays twice daily.



BRU a small airport in a big world.
User currently offlineRoyalAirMaroc From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12582 times:



Quoting Babaero (Reply 18):
Was this not the airframe were two guys fell to there deaths in Canada a few years back. De-icing the stab and the aircraft moved IIRC

Yes it was. Here are the details :

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/air/1995/a95q0015/a95q0015.asp



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User currently offlineHirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12413 times:



Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 2):
and FRA in the summer.

RAM didn't use the B744 to FRA the last 8 years on a regular scheduled basis.
They use their 737s to FRA.


User currently offlineLaxcdg From France, joined Apr 2008, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12060 times:

FlySSC: The AT 744 was pretty much a "gift"from the french government,due to be delivered to AF went to AT ...AF was in deep trouble yes but at that time under a huge help financially from the governement and it wouldnt have matter to AF to take delivery of this aircraft.There was some deep political involments (read possible bribes) behind that aircraft..

25 Jfk777 : RAM has had three 747, a 200B, an SP and the 744. I would think other then its use as the VIP transport for the king, they would be better to lease it
26 LH4116 : How many 744 pilots do AT have? Will they might receive more 744s from AF when they start phasing them out from their fleet?
27 FlySSC : I doubt. They don't really need such a big aircraft for their operations ... 1 B744 is already too much ... more is simply needless
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