What could possibly have happened? All three persons on board fell asleep? That's a long nap.... Maybe a carbon monoxide leak?
At 10,000 supplemental O2 isn't needed, weather was fine.
The circumstances certainly aren't run of the mill. RIP to all onboard.
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Jpax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 988 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4101 times:
How redundant are the electrical systems on the Cirrus? I.E., if all the electrical systems have failed, communications are lost, which in VMC under an IFR flight plan would have them land as soon as practical at an airport. Are the Cirri FADEC? If so, wouldn't a full electrical failure (all redundancies failed) compose an engine out? Even then, they still would have full control of the aircraft.
Eitherway, strike another one up on the list for Cirrus.
"Moments later they observed the accident airplane descending nose down and impacting into the reservoir. " Aren't they notorious for poor spin recovery, or just no recovery whatsoever? Perhaps these poor fellows got into a spin and were SOL on the recovery, although that doesn't explain why the parachute wasn't deployed. Can't it be deployed in a spin?
"On February 6, 2005, an SR22 pilot crossing the Sierra reported having trouble with ice (NTSB ID: LAX05FA088), despite the fact that his plane was equipped with the TKS ice protection option. He pulled the parachute, but was apparently going too fast at the time, which resulted in the cords ripping out of the airplane and the plane and pilot slamming into a mountainside."
Also,
"Canadian pilot Albert Kolk forgot to switch fuel tanks while flying along on autopilot. Eventually the autopilot couldn't hold enough aileron trim to keep the plane level and kicked off. The plane went into a steep spiral. Most pilots have trouble initially determining whether they are in a steep spiral or a spin (the airspeed indicator is key here; low airspeed = spin, high airspeed = spiral)."
And to conclude: "Because the only demonstrated way to recover a Cirrus from a spin is to pull the parachute"
Even though the NTSB report claims "No evidence has been located to suggest the ballistic parachute had been deployed. The wreckage recovery is ongoing." I would be quite interested to see if it was actually deployed, and was torn off, plummeting towards earth in spiral. There are also parts of the review stating how the ailerons have ripped off, entering the plane into a spiral.
Type-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 3661 posts, RR: 23 Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3948 times:
My suspicion based on the evidence provided was that the aircraft just flew a straight line at 10,000 ft until it ran out of fuel and crashed into the gulf. If there was nobody concious onboard, there would have been nobody to attempt spin recovery or a landing.
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Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 20630 posts, RR: 62 Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3929 times:
Sounds like what happened with Payne Stewart's jet.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Type-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 3661 posts, RR: 23 Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3905 times:
Hauntingly similar...but with no pressurization problems. That's why I was thinking carbon monoxide. But Cirrus' planes are really too new to be dealing with leaky exhausts just yet?
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Jpax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 988 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3857 times:
Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 6): But Cirrus' planes are really too new to be dealing with leaky exhausts just yet?
Do they have the traditional exhaust shroud type heater? I'd be interested to know the statistics on the occurrence of leakages on these types of heaters. I've only heard of one experience with the carbon monoxide detector getting its lovely black spot, and I was told it was one hell of a scary spot.
Type-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 3661 posts, RR: 23 Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3737 times:
Phatty3374 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3722 times:
Hi all,
Unfortunately my college roommate's good friend was aboard this plane . As of right now, he says they believe it was a gradual CO leak which caused the loss of consciousness of the pilot and both passengers, fuel exhaustion, and the subsequent crash. Horrible news, RIP.
XJETFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 305 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3636 times:
I have been considering getting my pilots license and doing a co-ownership on one of these babies. Seeing this does not make me feel good about buying one. My wife is already freaked out about the other crash. I had sold her on the parachute and how safe they were. This will only bring more doubt.
APFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3579 times:
Quoting XJETFlyer (Reply 10): I have been considering getting my pilots license and doing a co-ownership on one of these babies. Seeing this does not make me feel good about buying one. My wife is already freaked out about the other crash. I had sold her on the parachute and how safe they were. This will only bring more doubt.
Cirrus makes a very very safe airplane. I have quite a few hours in them now and I work with them on a daily basis. If you are considering, owning/traning in or just plan interested in Cirrui I would recommend joining COPA (www.cirruspilots.org) the amount of analysis they do of Cirrus flying and accidents is amazing. I have and I will continue to put my loved ones in an SR without any doubts of their safety. If you ever want to talk about the airplanes please feel free to send me an email or PM.
Flywithken From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 222 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3503 times:
I guess Im kinda confused; They had not yet reached the destination, but yet people are speculating about fuel exhaustion?...Would that elude to poor fuel planning. i.e. Does that mean there was not enough fuel aboard to get to the destination anyway?
Jpax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 988 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3492 times:
Quoting Flywithken (Reply 14): n, but yet people are speculating about fuel exhaustion?...Would that elude to poor fuel planning. i.e. Does that mean there was not enough fuel aboard to get to the destination anyway?
Max fuel with IFR reserves is more than enough (more than twice) for the 430mile flight from TUP-DWH. Unless they took off with what was just barely needed to meet their reserves, they shouldn't have ran out. Cirrus' website advertises 925miles cruise at 75% or 1000 at 55% power with full tanks and reserves.
XJETFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 305 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3094 times:
Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 12): Cirrus makes a very very safe airplane. I have quite a few hours in them now and I work with them on a daily basis. If you are considering, owning/traning in or just plan interested in Cirrui I would recommend joining COPA (www.cirruspilots.org) the amount of analysis they do of Cirrus flying and accidents is amazing. I have and I will continue to put my loved ones in an SR without any doubts of their safety. If you ever want to talk about the airplanes please feel free to send me an email or PM.
RFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 4871 posts, RR: 21 Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2953 times:
Several studies have shown decreased mental efficiency and decision making at altitudes as low as 4,000 ft. At 10,000ft altitude almost all people suffer some measurable decreased efficiency. And test subjects show improved mental efficiency with supplemental O2 at 10,000 or below.
10,000 ft is a dangerous altitude for people with reduced lung capacity, such as smokers and elderly. I have not clue if that might be a factor in this crash - but the preliminary report sounds a lot like the Lear when Payne Stewart was killed.
Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 13): You should look into the multitudes of other Cirrus crashes first.
Since this crash was reported there have been the following fatal crashes in the US
There have been 32 non-fatal Cessna incidents, 8 Beech and 17 Piper. Of the 30 other reported incidents in different models of small single engined prop aircraft - only 1 was a Cirrus - a blown tire on landing at TEB.
Cirrus doesn't have a substantially higher, or lower, accident rate than other similar design / purpose aircraft.
F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4439 posts, RR: 34 Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2834 times:
Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 18): Since this crash was reported there have been the following fatal crashes in the US
There have been 32 non-fatal Cessna incidents, 8 Beech and 17 Piper. Of the 30 other reported incidents in different models of small single engined prop aircraft - only 1 was a Cirrus - a blown tire on landing at TEB.
Cirrus doesn't have a substantially higher, or lower, accident rate than other similar design / purpose aircraft.
Great information there. I certainly would not be afraid to fly in one. They are also very nice looking birds.
Ferrypilot From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 897 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2569 times:
Just seen this thread. ...Actually I have flown 12 Cirrus SR20/ SR22's from the USA to Europe. ...That was 11 new one's out of the factory in Duluth and one second hand SR20 that I flew from Los Angeles to the Czech Republic. ...Been thinking for some time whether or not I should go for my "13th" Atlantic crossing in the type or quit while I am ahead.
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. As of right now, he says they believe it was a gradual CO leak which caused the loss of consciousness of the pilot and both passengers, fuel exhaustion, and the subsequent crash. Horrible news, RIP.
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