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Where Is WN The Largest?  
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9858 times:

I'm trying to compile a list of all the airports where WN is the largest carrier (either by number of flights or seats... though if they have the most flights, they likely have the most seats). Here's what I have, but I suspect I'm missing some Texas and west coast airports (at least)...

MHT
PVD (?)
ISP
BWI
JAX (?)
BNA
MDW
DAL
HOU
MCI
STL
PHX (?)
LAS
OAK
RNO (?)


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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9867 times:

Southwest Airlines' Top Ten Airports: (as of November 16, 2007)
DailyDepartures
Las Vegas 241
Chicago Midway 227
Phoenix 200
Baltimore/Washington 172
Oakland 144
Houston Hobby 146
Dallas (Love Field) 137
Los Angeles (LAX) 122
Orlando 116
San Diego 103



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9844 times:



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 1):
Southwest Airlines' Top Ten Airports: (as of November 16, 2007)

That's not what he asked. He asked for airports where WN is the #1 carrier at that specific airport. Such as a place like MDW or DAL where WN is the dominant leader.


User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9830 times:



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 2):
That's not what he asked. He asked for airports where WN is the #1

Yes it is... Tell me out of all these airports where another carrier could possible beat WN?

He asked for number of flights.... Which is what I posted!



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User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 757 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9782 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Thread starter):
MHT
PVD (?)
ISP
BWI
JAX (?)
BNA
MDW
DAL
HOU
MCI
STL
PHX (?)
LAS
OAK
RNO (?)

Add TUS to that list...


Mason



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9774 times:



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 3):

Yes it is... Tell me out of all these airports where another carrier could possible beat WN?

I'm not sure about PHX (US) or MCO (FL).



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9755 times:

Add RDU.. WN has topped AA for the last 2 years or so, I do believe... as far as pax count.. not movements..


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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9738 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
I'm not sure about PHX (US)

US mainline only flies (198) total daily departures. WN has them beat!

Source: http://www.usairways.com/pv_obj_cach...5600000/filename/factsheet.pdf



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9731 times:



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 7):

US mainline only flies (198) total daily departures. WN has them beat!

I'm actually counting mainline and Express, which means that US is larger (by all measures, I assume).

...but, thanks to ERJ170 and RedTailDTW, we can add a couple of airports.

Can someone confirm that UA plus Express is larger than WN at LAX?

MHT
PVD (?)
ISP
BWI
JAX (?)
BNA
MDW
DAL
HOU
MCI
STL
LAS
OAK
RNO (?)
RDU
TUS



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11983 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9718 times:



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 1):
Southwest Airlines' Top Ten Airports: (as of November 16, 2007)
DailyDepartures
Las Vegas 241
Chicago Midway 227
Phoenix 200
Baltimore/Washington 172
Oakland 144
Houston Hobby 146
Dallas (Love Field) 137
Los Angeles (LAX) 122
Orlando 116
San Diego 103

Simply amazing - so impressive.

It is truly a testament to the immense success and visionary innovation and market leadership of this company that today, nearly 40 years after its founding, only four of Southwest Airlines' busiest markets are in what most would consider the "Southwestern" United States (Las Vegas, Phoenix, Houston and Dallas).


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9700 times:

Add SJC to the list.. yes 


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6652 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9700 times:

Also, add ABQ to the list. WN is by far the largest carrier at ABQ.


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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3783 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9677 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
I'm actually counting mainline and Express, which means that US is larger (by all measures, I assume).

...but, thanks to ERJ170 and RedTailDTW, we can add a couple of airports.

Can someone confirm that UA plus Express is larger than WN at LAX?

If you're counting regional ops, there's no way WN is bigger than AA at STL. WN barely beats AA mainline alone, let alone with Concoction and Express thrown in. Plus, I'd imagine from a seat basis, AA mainline is probably very close to WN considering the '57s they bring in.



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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3086 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9675 times:
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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9668 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 12):
If you're counting regional ops, there's no way WN is bigger than AA at STL

I live in St. Louis. I have no idea why I put STL on the list. I know better. I think they have about 10 more mainline flights than AA (maybe more like 15 now), but AA might send enough 752s through here that mainline alone has more seats... and with Connection/Eagle, they certainly do.

Updated...

MHT
PVD (?)
ISP
BWI
JAX (?)
BNA
MDW
DAL
HOU
MCI
LAS
OAK
RNO (?)
RDU
TUS
SJC
ABQ


[Edited 2008-05-04 18:28:59]


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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9654 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
MCO (FL).

AirTran Airways will offer up to 64 daily departures from Orlando to 32 nonstop destinations as of February 14th 2008 .

Source: http://pressroom.airtran.com/phoenix...le_print&ID=1046602&highlight=

Again WN is the #1.

Also why would you compare WN to other carriers when WN does not offer express service? You clearly did not post that in your original post.

[Edited 2008-05-04 18:28:01]


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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5703 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9642 times:

STL obviously WN is not.

WN is 2nd place, however if you go by mainline WN tops out at STL.

As of May 10th/11th--

10,763 available seats for May 11th/12th, 2008 on Southwest Airlines out of STL. (Yes I am taking in account of the -300, -500 and -700)

What does AA offer seat wise if anyone knows?

Alex



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User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5618 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9607 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 16):
What does AA offer seat wise if anyone knows?

Cramped, unreliable and grudgingly serviced?  Wink



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9606 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 16):
What does AA offer seat wise if anyone knows?

Let's say 45 S80 flights and 20 752... if that's right, it's 9880 daily seats (so WN has more seats).

MHT
PVD (?)
ISP
BWI
JAX (?)
BNA
MDW
DAL
HOU
MCI
LAS
OAK
RNO (?)
RDU
TUS
SJC
ABQ
BUF
OMA
AUS
SAT
MCO


This is great... thanks y'all.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7367 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9563 times:
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Total pax moved last month at AUS had WN at 35% and AA at 26%. Add AUS to your list.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 15):
You clearly did not post that in your original post.

I wouldn't include Express in the data collection.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9548 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 19):
I wouldn't include Express in the data collection.

It's an arbitrary choice either way (and I'm not sure how many airports it will affect... PHX and STL are the only two we've discussed so far; JAX, LAX, and PVD are other possibilities).



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User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9521 times:

WN is a close 2nd at PIT.


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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9513 times:

WN is the largest carrier at PVD any way you slice it. Feel free to drop the "?"

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9513 times:



Quoting PITops (Reply 21):
WN is a close 2nd at PIT.

How close are they? I think WN is larger than US mainline, right?



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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9515 times:

Looks like you're missing some of the smaller Texas airports...
AMA, LBB, HRL, MAF, and ELP

...and a few California airports:
BUR, SAN, SMF, SNA, ONT

I would also add TPA, CMH, BHM, LIT, JAN, OKC, TUL.

Maybe ORF, SDF, and MSY?


25 Layzhon : WN is numero uno at TPA indeed
26 Post contains links Vatveng : Add ORF to the list. Southwest recently surpassed US Airways (who for years has played leap-frog with Delta for the #1 spot at ORF) http://hamptonroad
27 LAXintl : Yes UA is significantly larger then WN at LAX (12.0mil vs 7.7mil boardings in '07) AA also beats WN by about 2 million boardings. SWA however is the
28 Post contains links BoeingFever777 : Your right my man... Looks like MQ and AA carrier about 16% and WN carriers about 13%. Source: http://www.lawa.org/lax/statistics/pdf/airlshare-2007.
29 Cubsrule : MHT PVD ISP BWI JAX (?) BNA MDW DAL HOU MCI LAS OAK RNO (?) RDU TUS SJC ABQ BUF OMA AUS SAT MCO AMA ELP MAF LBB HRL BUR SMF SAN ONT SNA (are we sure U
30 Gregarious119 : I would have to second CMH. With SX back out of the picture, WN should easily have the top spot back...wish I had the numbers to back it up though.
31 Cubsrule : I just counted, and we have 42 cities. If Vatveng's article is correct and we're looking for 43 cities (and assuming all of my question mark cities ar
32 N670UW : I wouldn't think so. I couldn't find passenger traffic broken down by airline on the airport website, but WN has about 38 daily flights from SNA, mor
33 LAxintl : Yes -- in 2007 United mainline had an average 13.2 daily operations offering 2129 seats, while SWA had 36.9 daily flights with 5060 seats.
34 Cubsrule : Thanks... I didn't realize that WN was that large at SNA.
35 TxAgKuwait : Your missing 43rd city might be Boise. IIRC I read someplace that they were the leading carrier there.
36 LAxintl : No worries. SWA is by far the #1 airline in the Golden State.
37 Cubsrule : ...and still growing, at least at one airport (SFO).
38 KstateinALB : You would be missing ALB, WN had over 35% of the market share, with US second with 21%.
39 AWACSooner : Add OKC to the list. It's WN #1 and AA #2.
40 FlyDeltaJets87 : The thread starter said he was counting regional ops as well, which puts AA ahead of WN at STL. If you counted daily departures, wouldn't UPS beat WN
41 Cubsrule : ISP had been on the list; I think you are right about GEG MHT PVD ISP BWI JAX (?) BNA MDW DAL HOU MCI LAS OAK RNO (?) RDU TUS SJC ABQ BUF OMA AUS SAT
42 RedTailDTW : I think it would be easier to just say what airports WN is not the biggest at... Mason
43 FlyDeltaJets87 : Someone may want to confirm RDU, since AA has a sizeable op there though I'm not 100% sure on the exact numbers. I've added the question mark to RDU u
44 Post contains links MtnWest1979 : Quoting TxAgKuwait (Reply 35): Your missing 43rd city might be Boise. IIRC I read someplace that they were the leading carrier there. Yes ,WN is leade
45 Phatfarmlines : Does UA & AA offer more flights than WN out of LAX, irrespective of total emplanements?
46 LAXintl : If you only consider mainline fights then SWA had higher number of movements with 41,251 departures in 2007 vs 35,179 for United. However the #1 carr
47 B6fll : Is WN the top airline at BUF? Just asking, and no I am not assuming B6 is, I am just not sure?[Edited 2008-05-04 21:03:08]
48 Tsaord : Wow. WN Las has over 240 departures? Thats a lot of take offs and people moving in one day.
49 Iowaman : WN is by far the largest carrier in RNO.
50 Post contains links BooDog : Just to be clear, just to make sure all data & sources are known: If you're interested in where WN is largest by passenger count, see http://www.trans
51 ASMD11 : AS/QX is the number one carrier in GEG Jan 08 AS 51548 boardings 29 daily flights 2564 daily seats WN 35638 boardings 16 daily flights 2160 daily sea
52 Swacmh : WN has been the largest carrier in terms of passengers carried in CMH since Feb. 2008, with or without Skybus.
53 Seafleet : Judging by my trip down south a few weekends back I would have thought ONT and SJC must be up there. roger
54 TN757Flyer : I knew someone would beat me to this. WN, with fewer exceptions, is the largest carrier in terms of departures and likely seats in the vast majority
55 FlyPNS1 : JAX is a unique one. WN actually has more departures than DL (even counting regional flights), but DL has more passengers (though not by much). This i
56 Knope2001 : This is a pretty interesting thread, although on the flip side I suppose it should not be *so* surprising since Southwest has been in the #1 spot in d
57 N200WN : While LAS is certainly our largest station and impressive for WN's type of operation, it simply pales in comparison to what, say DL for example, push
58 Post contains links Queso : Proof for the MAF add can be found here: http://www.flymaf.com/Progress/PROGRESS%203-08.pdf Revenue Enplanements for 03/08: American Eagle- 6,920 Con
59 EXAAUADL : I never realized that WN had over 100 daily departures at SAN
60 Cubsrule : I've thought for a while that MDW-JAX would do well (there are a number of one-stop flights through IND and BNA, but nothing nonstop). If they could
61 FlyPNS1 : Yes, I'm surprised WN hasn't started MDW-JAX....I guess they just prefer to use BNA as the connecting "hub". BTW, you've got BDL in both your lists,
62 Cubsrule : I sure do... does that mean I'm missing a station?
63 BUFJets : Yes, The Buffalo News has reported WN is #1 at BUF.
64 B6fll : At PBI B6 is #1 with DL in a close 2nd....And FLL NK took the #1 spot from B6 there so I would assume WN is 3rd here.
65 FlyPNS1 : Looks like you're missing CRP....which might very well be WN's smallest station.
66 KstateinALB : ALB would still have WN being the larger carrier, an added DL/NW would still only have 17% of the total enplanements, while WN still has 35% I assume
67 Cubsrule : , and the race between CO and WN is actually tight there; it looks like CO is bigger on the strength of its massive frequency advantage PVD ISP BWI J
68 Xtoler : I was just about to make a joke about that. Things have changed since I've been to PIT. Last time I was there was just after WN swiped the first coup
69 Post contains links FlyPNS1 : Though WN actually offers more seats and carries more passengers. Although the lead in passengers isn't that great because CO has much better LF's th
70 Cubsrule : I see CO carrying (slightly) more passengers in what you linked (about 1000 more in January). Am I missing something? FWIW, WN probably makes more mo
71 MtnWest1979 : Id say. Whopping 3 flights/Sat! Must be real exciting to work there on weekend. One would think that with the population there, they could support mo
72 PHXtoDCAtoMSP : WN might have 2 more mainline flights per day than US at PHX....but US is definitely larger. US has larger average airplane size and higher average lo
73 Xtoler : Damn, I didn't think of that, even though I was a puddle jumper F/A. Now I'm just waiting for some one to ask why WN doesn't have an express type ser
74 Aruba : I believe it is the largest carrier at BDL but I could stand wrong.
75 Xtoler : Wow, I'm really out of the loop. I haven't been to BDL in quite some time. Which gates did they take over?
76 FlyPNS1 : February and March. I based my numbers on the YTD figures on page 5. Marketshare can vary too much to use only a single month. Granted, even in the Y
77 SANFan : Currently WN runs 109 departures per day thru Lindbergh Field; effective May 10, we are down to 108 (by losing 1 SMF flight.) And growth should conti
78 FLFlyer : Okay, go the other way. What airports where SW serves, is there another carrier larger? CLE, DTW.....
79 Cubsrule : SEA (AS) PDX (AS) SFO (UA; is AA also larger?) LAX (UA, AA) SLC (DL) PHX (US) DEN (UA, F9) STL (AA) IND (NW, maybe also FL) DTW (NW) RSW (several oth
80 ThegreatRDU : As the new terminal opens the legacies move there leaving space for WN to take on even more of the RDU share. Movement still goes to MQ
81 Cageyjames : Is there room at Terminal 1 to grow? I guess yes if they have 11 now....
82 Jeffinbwi : Although combined AS/QX beats WN in PDX, WN has at least 17 more flights than mainline AS (they have 25). That number will grow with the introduction
83 FlyingClrs727 : CO has more flights, but theirs all 50 seat CRJ-200's. WN flies a mix of 737-500 and 737-300's to and from CRP, so they have more seats available. Co
84 Steeler83 : Nobody even knows what went down at that WN/ACAA meeting almost 3 months ago! Regarding PHL, US still has some 390 flights compared to I think 68 or
85 Txagkuwait : Whoa, Hoss. I don't think you can say that US is bigger in Phoenix than WN. A lot depends on how you define bigger (sort of like "it depends on what
86 PHXtoDCAtoMSP : Your logic here is not right. Passengers that connect through a hub are only counted once. Each departing passenger through an airport is counted onc
87 TxAgKuwait : Yep, they should be counted,m and would be if the DOT put those numbers out. But heres the deal. When an airline is carrying 1000 passengers a day in
88 FlyPNS1 : True, but's that the way it should be given the different strategies of the two carriers. WN in most cases is pushing a lot more seats onto the marke
89 TN757Flyer : Actually, I've flown TPA-JAX 3x (all in the same direction). and I'd give each about 75% LF. I've flown BNA-JAX-BNA dozens of times, and it's always
90 Cubsrule : I wonder if WN stays away from MDW-JAX because they feel it would cannibalize BNA-JAX too much... FWIW, I'd rather connect (is that a dirty word on W
91 Afitch7881 : WN is not the largest carrier at BDL, DL is. DL has more flights and more passengers out of BDL on a daily and monthly basis. March 2008 total pax- De
92 Cloudy : That is in fact an indication of a much lower total load factor. Consider that the more full a flight is, the more likely you are going to be on it.
93 MOBflyer : WN is the largest carrier in the United States by passengers flown, though AA has them beat in regards to ASMs.
94 Cubsrule : Another interesting question... are there any of these airports where WN might grow enough to become the largest? There are some (STL, PIT) where WN
95 ScottB : I'm sure that WN would love to grow at LAX, but the gates simply aren't available. At the airports which are hubs for other airlines, they will likel
96 RSWA330 : I could easily see them adding PVD, BDL, MHT, PIT, MCI, and maybe even LAS. All of these cities have enough year-round demand to warrant non-stop fli
97 Acquittal : I thought that WN was decently sized in both MHT and ISP yet I cannot find any flight between them.
98 Post contains links and images SLCUT2777 : There is very little doubt in my mind that WN would grow VERY fast at SLC if DL ever scaled back. They are #2 at SLC right now as it stands.
99 Banks170 : Hey whats up im new here but I have been a long time reader. Anyways I would think PBI is definetly one of the smallest stations. They only Have somth
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