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Any Plans For A 3rd Daily EK Flight From MAN?  
User currently offlineEk-a380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 165 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

Do Emirates have any plans on introducing a 3rd earlybird flight from MAN?

They have done extremely well on this route, I would like to see an earlybird departure as it would connected with the evening wave of flights out of DXB offering more connections to more destinations.

Does anyone have any information on what their plans are for MAN over the coming few years?

I have heard that they will deploy the A380 on one of the existing services but nothing about a 3rd daily flight which I think would be a better option.

Additionally do we know what plans QR and EY have for MAN over the next couple of years?

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User currently offlineAlianza From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4564 times:



Quoting Ek-a380 (Thread starter):
Additionally do we know what plans QR and EY have for MAN over the next couple of years?

Does EY have plans for growth and expansion as agressive as EK ??


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4413 times:

What are EKs schedules to the UK like? Destination, equipment and frequency would be greatly appreciated!

AA1818



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6843 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4407 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Reply 2):
What are EKs schedules to the UK like? Destination, equipment and frequency would be greatly appreciated!

http://www.emirates.com/

http://www.emirates.com/english/Images/EKWMay08_tcm233-194611.pdf



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4393 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Reply 2):
What are EKs schedules to the UK like? Destination, equipment and frequency would be greatly appreciated!

Currently:

Heathrow: 5x daily (4x 77W, 1x 773)
Gatwick: 3x daily (773, 77W, A330)
Birmingham: 2x daily (77W, A330)
Manchester: 2x daily (77W)
Newcastle: 1x daily (A330)
Glasgow: 1x daily (77W)


User currently offlineEK-A380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

Any updates on my original posting giving any inside information would be highly appreciated.

User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4185 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 4):
Currently:

Heathrow: 5x daily (4x 77W, 1x 773)
Gatwick: 3x daily (773, 77W, A330)
Birmingham: 2x daily (77W, A330)
Manchester: 2x daily (77W)
Newcastle: 1x daily (A330)
Glasgow: 1x daily (77W)

Cheers for that...wow- I just had no idea of the amount of service!

AA1818



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User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

As MAN handles more pax than LGW, then either the 380 needs to arrive by year end or a third service announced, or the growth will go elsewhere - maybe South to LHR and those nice people at BA Big grin

User currently offlineEK-A380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4051 times:

I totally agree, don't think they will have any A380's so soon and think the most sensible option would be a 3rd earlybird daily departure.

LGW has 3 dailies and doesn't carry as many passengers as the two dailies do from Manchester.

There is scope to expand further at MAN for EK and they should seriously consider it as QR have been slow off the mark in increasing their frequencies and are all over the place at the moment in terms of their reservations call centre operations in the UK.

EY have made a good start but again are focusing on expanding destinations worldwide and adding extra frequencies I guess is not high on their agenda just yet.

Come on EK - do what you do best - add an earlybird from MAN  Smile


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4006 times:



Quoting EK-A380 (Reply 8):
LGW has 3 dailies and doesn't carry as many passengers as the two dailies do from Manchester.

Gatwick's three daily flights only amounts to around 100 more seats than Manchester's two daily flights. On top of which, the Gatwick flights carry a lot more premium passengers - EK don't even offer First from Manchester. In terms of Economy seats, Gatwick currently has just 37 more than Manchester per day.

Maybe a third daily flight is viable, but you can't justify that point by comparing it to other destinations. Despite what some people on this forum might insist, London and Manchester are two completely different markets.


User currently offlineEK-A380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

It's funny you should say that about different markets.

I know EK dont offer First Class from MAN and if I remeber correctly they didnt offer it on all flights ex LGW either unless that has changed.

Having working in the travel industry for a number of years (not anymore) and specifically selling EK a lot of the time it was interesting to note how the fares from the UK were and still are structured.

For example LGW and BHX fares are always lower than LHR, MAN, GLA and now NCL.

I think that says a lot, flying from Manchester is a much better experience than any of the London airports and the airlines do make money otherwise they wouldnt be doing this. Its good that BA are focusing on their superhub Heathrow as it gives the rest of us Choice.

Choice to pick and choose between a handful of different long haul airlines from the regions like EK, SQ, QR, EY and more who offer a far more superios product in Economy Class than BA does in my opinion.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3932 times:

I was surprised to find out that NCL-DXB is the shortest UK-DXB flight...


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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3863 times:



Quoting EK-A380 (Reply 10):
It's funny you should say that about different markets.

I know EK dont offer First Class from MAN and if I remeber correctly they didnt offer it on all flights ex LGW either unless that has changed.

EY don't offer first class from MAN either, but do from LHR. To be honest the economy product out of LHR is much nicer - but the A345s and A346s are much nicer than the A330s on the MAN route.

EY goes for a heavy economy config out of MAN with a small business class. MAN is proving to be very good in terms of passenger numbers, but has a pretty low yield customer base - being predominantly ethnic traffic to and from Pakistan and tourists to Thailand. As such an further expansion of its MAN operation will almost certainly come in parallel with expansion from AUH to Pakistan and BKK.



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User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3809 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 9):
Maybe a third daily flight is viable, but you can't justify that point by comparing it to other destinations. Despite what some people on this forum might insist, London and Manchester are two completely different markets.

Relax, my LHR comment and BA was a joke, and LGW was a number comparison on a three daily airport (the only one available).


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

Upgrading to an A380 on one service rather than introduce a third daily suggests rather more about the onward destinations of those MAN passengers flying with EK and the profile of those passengers on those services. It may be that those evening services out of DXB don't fit so well with the passengers flying out of MAN - particularly if there are a number of key VFR and leisure markets that make up much of the MAN traffic. It may be that a corresponding number of connecting flights in DXB would get upgraded to meet the A380 upgrade at MAN (if it happens) with a 3rd flight considered unneccesary and not justifable until a later date when more appropriate connecting flights in DXB are introduced into that wave.

If those early evening departures out of DXB are considered their most lucrative, they are likely to try and avoid some of the lower yield markets connecting into them and concentrate on those that give them higher returns.



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User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3778 times:



Quoting Cornish (Reply 14):
If those early evening departures out of DXB are considered their most lucrative, they are likely to try and avoid some of the lower yield markets connecting into them and concentrate on those that give them higher returns.

Cornish, This is interesting, do you have any info on their connecting waves. It looks like they have three, which correspond to UK departures in AM, Lunchtime and early evening. I believe the Lunchtime dep out of UK may carry the volume? They are a very interesting airline, and seem to be successful, never flown them myself.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3759 times:



Quoting Col (Reply 15):
Cornish, This is interesting, do you have any info on their connecting waves. It looks like they have three, which correspond to UK departures in AM, Lunchtime and early evening. I believe the Lunchtime dep out of UK may carry the volume? They are a very interesting airline, and seem to be successful, never flown them myself.

I can look at the timetables when i have a spare moment and see what routes connect where. Currently doing a lot of EK, EY and QR flying, butr tend to go for EY where possible out of LHR - but then I'm going to AUH or DXB rather than onwards at the moment.

I tend to go for the mid morning departures out of LHR - which arrive mid evening in the Mid East. Ideal for point to point services. But if I was going for connections then the next batch would likely be early hours of the morning - not ideal. But the morning traffic tends to carry the business flyers (as in purpose not necessarily cabin), the late departures with the overnight flights tend to have the VFR and leisure traffic. Because MAN has less business traffic, it may be that they see more merit in upgrading one of the other services rather than introducing an early flight.

But then as i think about it more, a mid morning MAN flight would mean a service inbound leaving DXB at around 02.30 in the morning to arrive around 6ish in MAN - now that sort of red eye would make sense for the leisure/ethnic market and would connect neatly with flights into DXB from destinations to the east of there. It should certainly work in theory. EY have that sort of timing in and out of MAN



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User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3730 times:



Quoting Cornish (Reply 16):
I can look at the timetables when i have a spare moment and see what routes connect where. Currently doing a lot of EK, EY and QR flying, butr tend to go for EY where possible out of LHR - but then I'm going to AUH or DXB rather than onwards at the moment.

Not critical, but thanks for info. I guess a early am departure out of DXB maybe would work, but not much time for shopping??? Appreciate the interesting info.


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6843 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

3rd EK ex MAN and connecting flights....

Looking through the EK timetable, a flight leaving MAN at around 8am, earliest, would get to DXB around 6pm local and there aren't that many connecting flights from, say 8pm to midnight (by which time the lunchtime MAN departure has arrived). These flights are mostly to various parts of India(Bangalore 21.30, Chennai 21.25, Delhi 22.10, Mumbai 22.30, Shamshabad 21.45, Trivandrum 21.55), Islamabad and Lahore, within the Gulf States, Bangkok and to Sri Lanka, along with a 1/wk Sydney flight.

So possible for the Indian Market (is there one?) ex MAN, (but how many planes would be full with Indian workers going home from DXB?), fighting against a competitive Pakistan Market ex MAN, and a couple of others where there are already other EK flights that connect with existing MAN services.



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3648 times:



Quoting Col (Reply 13):
and LGW was a number comparison on a three daily airport (the only one available).

Fair enough, but once you look at the amount of seats available between the two, there isn't much difference.

Quoting EK-A380 (Reply 10):
I think that says a lot, flying from Manchester is a much better experience than any of the London airports

This is, of course, down to personal preference. Personally, I feel Gatwick's North Terminal offers an excellent experience, and is certainly nothing like the zoo that is the South terminal in the middle of summer.

Quoting EK-A380 (Reply 10):
For example LGW and BHX fares are always lower than LHR, MAN, GLA and now NCL.

I think that says a lot, flying from Manchester is a much better experience than any of the London airports

Gatwick and Birmingham are just 112 miles apart, with Heathrow sitting between them. Between the three, Emirates offer 10 flights and 4073 seats per day.
Manchester and Glasgow are 195 miles apart, with Newcastle sitting between them. Between the three, Emirates offer 4 flights and 1539 seats every day.

Fares from Gatwick and Birmingham will be cheaper because most of the highest yielding passengers in the London area will be flying from Heathrow, so Gatwick and Birmingham have to attract the leisure/VFR passengers. There is also a lot of direct competition from London to the Middle East, Asia and Australia, so customers have a lot more choice.

EK charge higher fares from Glasgow, Newcastle and Manchester because they can. Glasgow and Newcastle at least offer very few alternatives to anybody heading to Dubai, Asia and Australia.


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3635 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 11):
I was surprised to find out that NCL-DXB is the shortest UK-DXB flight...

Not in distance it isn't. That is LGW.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 19):
Gatwick and Birmingham are just 112 miles apart, with Heathrow sitting between them. Between the three, Emirates offer 10 flights and 4073 seats per day.

Birmingham is actually closer to Manchester than London, just for reference.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 19):
Glasgow and Newcastle at least offer very few alternatives to anybody heading to Dubai, Asia and Australia.

Lacking in direct flights.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 19):
Personally, I feel Gatwick's North Terminal offers an excellent experience,

I concur. North isn't half bad although now it seems to be getting polluted with Easjet and Thomsonfly flights. I noticed the difference when I passed through the other day.

Also at MAN, are there any A380 ready gates yet? You hear different things from different people but what is the score?



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3599 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 20):
Birmingham is actually closer to Manchester than London, just for reference.

Yes, but Birmingham can still be regarded as a viable alternative to London, especially for those living between the two.


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3582 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 21):
Yes, but Birmingham can still be regarded as a viable alternative to London.

So can Birmingham for the North West as is the case for South Scotland and Manchester. It's what happens just not as much for EK flights these days.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3538 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 20):
Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 19):
Glasgow and Newcastle at least offer very few alternatives to anybody heading to Dubai, Asia and Australia.

Lacking in direct flights.

PIA have two weekly flights from GLA to Pakistan



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3530 times:



Quoting Humberside (Reply 23):
PIA have two weekly flights from GLA to Pakistan

Exactly.



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25 EmiratesUK : I think you will find that BHX fares are the same as MAN... I fly very frequently with EK ex BHX and have never noticed a difference in fare ex MAN th
26 Nighthawk : not sure where you are getting your info from, but Great Circle Mapper disagrees: DXB (25°15'10"N 55°21'52"E) LGW (51°08'53"N 00°11'25"W) 316° (
27 Planesarecool : Hence why I said there is very little alternative, as apposed to no alternative. Aside from which, a 2x weekly A310 service to Faisalabad/Lahore isn'
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