Cabso1 From Canada, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 26775 times:
Boy does media get it wrong:
Passenger jet makes terrifying 10,000ft climb to dodge another plane because pilot was 'showing off' to a child
Last updated at 11:22am on 6th May 2008
Terrified passengers claim their plane had to dodge another jet by suddenly climbing 10,000ft because their pilot was "showing off" to a boy in the cockpit.
The pilot of the flight to Paris suddenly pitched left at 33,000ft and the crew allegedly announced the Airbus A380, with 143 passengers, had got "too close" to another plane.
Taking passengers into the cockpit is contrary to aviation rules brought in after the September 11 terror attacks.
777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3783 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 26379 times:
10,000 feet climb? Somehow I doubt that. And what could the pilot have been doing in the cockpit to have caused this? I doubt he would have deviated from his assigned altitude and course to show-off to a kid. The media doesn't have a clue sometimes, they take a quote from some clueless passenger, publish it, and then it becomes the gospel truth. WTF.
Oly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 26307 times:
The aircraft was F-GRHH, A319, according to a post on mantma2. (AF2269)
Rumour is that the pilot is suspended for letting his son sit at the controls, but this seems unrelated to the actual events since they started after he left the cockpit... unless there was so much distraction in the cockpit the crew missed an ATC direction which put them on collision course with another aircraft.
It was the Mail. According to Amadeus it was probably an A318.
My comment on the article (not that it'll be published)
Quote: Air France has bought the A380 but it won't be delivered for a while. Additionally 143 would be a very light load for an A380. The plane was actually an A318, the smallest member of the A320 family. Do you guys actually fact check?
One of the other comments
Quote: Taking into account the need for safety and rules must be always abided by then the pilot must be sacked.
Col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 26236 times:
From the description sounds like they may have hit wake from another plane, this does cause swerving and quite scary. So the guy does a go around. His son in the cockpit is obviously a no no, but the rest is the media being the media.
Someone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3516 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 26103 times:
Quoting Helvknight (Reply 8): Quote:
Air France has bought the A380 but it won't be delivered for a while. Additionally 143 would be a very light load for an A380. The plane was actually an A318, the smallest member of the A320 family. Do you guys actually fact check?
Sure you can, standing everywhere, no seats available only handrails
Weird news here... And the best climb I have done so far was 9700ft/min in the MD11F With no load and just a bit of fuel. So I guess it would be possible with an A380 or A318 as well if you speed up and then pull smoothly...
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3403 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 25637 times:
Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 12): Weird news here... And the best climb I have done so far was 9700ft/min in the MD11F With no load and just a bit of fuel. So I guess it would be possible with an A380 or A318 as well if you speed up and then pull smoothly...
Didn't the F-4 Phantom used to be able to climb at 60 000 ft/min maybe AF has bought a couple of those?
Chris133 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 25515 times:
Well Its absolutely possible for an A380 to do a sudden jump of 10000ft. All you need are a dozen JATO bottles strapped to the sides and your all good. This is also the next design from Airbus for the STOL version of the A380 (but you didn't hear that from me).
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3403 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 25092 times:
Quoting Chris133 (Reply 20): Well Its absolutely possible for an A380 to do a sudden jump of 10000ft. All you need are a dozen JATO bottles strapped to the sides and your all good. This is also the next design from Airbus for the STOL version of the A380 (but you didn't hear that from me).
I wouldn't like to calculate the airframe stresses for that one!
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10937 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 22710 times:
I am not the least surprised that they let the pilot's kid be in the cockpit on an Air France flight. There must be at least some truth to the story. To what degree, we will probably never know the truth, they will probably make up some story. It is probably not the first time that this sort of security breach occurs on an Air France flight. I bet a lot of their pilots let their own people in the cockpit during flight.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
: I wouldn't be too sure, we are talking about the Daily Mail here.
: Guys, please get your facts rights and don't speculate, it's an A320 as said 3 times in the text, not an A380 or A318. " target=_blank>http://www.dail
: The media's reporting on aviation is about as accurate as .22 gun shooting a target at 2000 meters.... I somehow get the impression that the media can
: Even someone with only common sense and no aviation-related knowledge whatsoever knows that this article is a piece of rubbish. This is crazy. It real
: What a load of rubbish this article is. What airliner can go at 53,000ft?!?!?! According to the article it climbed 10,000ft from 33,000ft then another
: The paper corrected the story, it was originally an A380. And how many A320s do you see with 4 holes and 2 decks? No they love the aviation industry
: "It was terrifying. We had to circle Paris before we could come in to land". Some of these passengers are idiots! Circling before you land at a major
: Probably, the pilot was talking on the phone (since recently AF allowed the use of cell phones in flight) so he gave the kid controls of the plane whi
: My comment didn't get added...oh dearie me I wonder why not?
: The mail is normally pretty good. The Daily Mirror is more focused on the colour of the socks the Beckham's are wearing
: poor air france the damage control tehy'jj have to do on this one...
: Nothing wrong at all with family, kids, regular pax (on the invitation of the captain of course) in the cockpit. I was taken up as a child, and it wa
: These statements are offered as merely representing a willingness to believe ill of AF and their pilots. Apart from revealing a willingness to believ
: There was that Aeroflot A310 on which the pilot handed the controls to his son and the kid crashed the plane killing all on board, and the Fedex crew
: And then those responsible for sacking the pilot must be sacked... "I fart in your general direction!"
: As far as I know Air France do not have any A380 yet? This sounds bogus to me. I really wish the newspapers would get things like this right. More lik
: And even if they were, there's no way that the resolution to a traffic alert would be a 10,000 foot climb. Especially if already at FL330. You can he
: People who're coming on here and saying that the article is bogus, that's more than obvious. We all know what AF haven't got their 380 yet. The point
: Huh?!?! Am i reading it wrong? On the page it says that its a A320!
: READ the thread, you'll see that the article was AMENDED. Probably after some a.net member advised them. Last time I looked at the article, last nigh
: It's amazing here that some people will have a coronary over them calling it an A380... but yet miss the obvious technical fallacies of the 10,000 ft
: Every news source should be appointed an airliners.nut user for these kind of senseless mistakes.
: Sounds like a report that would come from CNN. -KL
: European airline pilots do what they want ! Proof. I sat in the cockpit of a KLM MD-11 as it landed on rwy 24R in Montreal, Canada, last September, a
: It is NOT against rules for non-crew to sit in the cockpit. This is not a universal rule. Sure, some airlines have it (all airlines in the US, Lufthan
: If you think the Daily Wail is pretty good I'd hate to see a paper you think is appalling. The Wail is useless on aviation - and pretty much everythi
: Non- rev passengers have access to the cockpit if "invited" by the crew or if the jumpseat was granted to the non-rev. there is nothing wrong with tha
52 David L
: IF that's true, I'm sure that would be a no-no, of course. IF it's true... Same for paying passengers*, to which I can testify, and I'm very gra
: David L: of course fare paying passenger were also welcomed to the cockpit commonly,but now its very difficult if not impossible due to safety issue.
: According to the Norwegian newspaper VG, apparently this was the plane in question
55 David L
: Correct. As an afterthought I just wanted to make it clear that people shouldn't expect it - as in "oops, what have I said". My main point, though, w
: Absolutely, David L,nothing wrong,I agree. I remember the time when there was even " a line" of people waiting for their turn.I have a very found memo
: Sounds like our nightly coffee break amusing story regds MEL
58 David L
: Agreed. Since the ban is also in force in the UK, I was especially grateful for an opportunity I thought I would never get again. It was the most unc
: Theres no mention of a A380 on the report just a A320. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv..._article_id=564300&in_page_id=1770
: They finally fixed the picture as well - the article originally said it was an A380, then they changed the text to an A320 but still showing the A380
: After having so much fun reading the posts above and the "detailed story" by this British "newspaper", I think it's about time to tell really what hap
62 David L
: Is that really all that happened? What a bunch of plonkers they are at the Daily Mail.
: Oh, you spoil sport... That's probably the most factual thing that has been said in this thread! -Gofly