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AF '380' Pilot Shows Off  
User currently offlineCabso1 From Canada, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26753 times:

Boy does media get it wrong:

Passenger jet makes terrifying 10,000ft climb to dodge another plane because pilot was 'showing off' to a child
Last updated at 11:22am on 6th May 2008
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Terrified passengers claim their plane had to dodge another jet by suddenly climbing 10,000ft because their pilot was "showing off" to a boy in the cockpit.
The pilot of the flight to Paris suddenly pitched left at 33,000ft and the crew allegedly announced the Airbus A380, with 143 passengers, had got "too close" to another plane.

Taking passengers into the cockpit is contrary to aviation rules brought in after the September 11 terror attacks.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv..._article_id=564300&in_page_id=1770

67 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26730 times:

Doesn't sound very credible.

User currently offlineVinnieWinnie From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26595 times:

"The drama began when the Airbus A380 carrying 143 passengers and six crew from Manchester to Paris started its descent into the French capital on Saturday morning."

Lol lol lol didn't know Air france had A380's yet!  Wink


User currently offlineCF105Arrow From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26526 times:

When did AF take delivery of this A380 and how does it come it is flying Manchester to Paris with 143 pax and 6 crews?

Cheers,

Sam


User currently offlineRicciPettit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26382 times:

I commented about 20mins ago now. They seem to not want to put in in with the other comments.

User currently offlineRscaife1682 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26354 times:

Daily Mirror Rubbish

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26357 times:

10,000 feet climb? Somehow I doubt that. And what could the pilot have been doing in the cockpit to have caused this? I doubt he would have deviated from his assigned altitude and course to show-off to a kid. The media doesn't have a clue sometimes, they take a quote from some clueless passenger, publish it, and then it becomes the gospel truth. WTF.


PHX based
User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6840 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26285 times:

The aircraft was F-GRHH, A319, according to a post on mantma2. (AF2269)

Rumour is that the pilot is suspended for letting his son sit at the controls, but this seems unrelated to the actual events since they started after he left the cockpit... unless there was so much distraction in the cockpit the crew missed an ATC direction which put them on collision course with another aircraft.

edit wrong group at first

[Edited 2008-05-06 06:22:18]


wheat and dairy can screw up your brain
User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26225 times:

Quoting Rscaife1682 (Reply 5):
Daily Mirror Rubbish

It was the Mail. According to Amadeus it was probably an A318.

My comment on the article (not that it'll be published)

Quote:
Air France has bought the A380 but it won't be delivered for a while. Additionally 143 would be a very light load for an A380. The plane was actually an A318, the smallest member of the A320 family. Do you guys actually fact check?


One of the other comments

Quote:
Taking into account the need for safety and rules must be always abided by then the pilot must be sacked.

- Paul, Portsmouth UK

Numpty  rotfl 

[Edited 2008-05-06 06:02:41]

User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26214 times:

From the description sounds like they may have hit wake from another plane, this does cause swerving and quite scary. So the guy does a go around. His son in the cockpit is obviously a no no, but the rest is the media being the media.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3480 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 26081 times:



Quoting Helvknight (Reply 8):
Quote:
Air France has bought the A380 but it won't be delivered for a while. Additionally 143 would be a very light load for an A380. The plane was actually an A318, the smallest member of the A320 family. Do you guys actually fact check?

btw you can't fit 143 pax into a 318  Wink


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 26033 times:

True. AF 318 has 126 seats if I remember well.

User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9103 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 26035 times:
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Quoting Someone83 (Reply 10):
btw you can't fit 143 pax into a 318 Wink

Sure you can, standing everywhere, no seats available only handrails  duck 

Weird news here... And the best climb I have done so far was 9700ft/min in the MD11F Big grin With no load and just a bit of fuel. So I guess it would be possible with an A380 or A318 as well if you speed up and then pull smoothly...


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User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 26041 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 10):
btw you can't fit 143 pax into a 318

In the words of the immortal Homer

D'OH!!

Amadeus shows a mix of 318s, 319s and 320s.

In any case how can we be sure the Mail got the pax figures right? They even stuffed up the A380 graphic (no wing fences) - .

[Edited 2008-05-06 06:23:53]

[Edited 2008-05-06 06:31:28]

User currently offlineSmeg From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 25871 times:



Quoting Helvknight (Reply 13):
In any case how can we be sure the Mail got the pax figures right? They even stuffed up the A380 graphic (no wing fences)

You really are not having a good day!

There are wing fences on the graphic, they are just the same colour as the wings!


User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 25869 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 12):
Sure you can, standing everywhere, no seats available only handrails duck

Shhh Wilco, you'll be giving Michael O'Leary ideas  Smile


User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 25845 times:



Quoting Smeg (Reply 14):
You really are not having a good day!

There are wing fences on the graphic, they are just the same colour as the wings!

BUGGER IT!!!

I'm going back to bed!  Sad


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9103 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 25843 times:
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Quoting Helvknight (Reply 15):
Shhh Wilco, you'll be giving Michael O'Leary ideas Smile

 rotfl  Oh sorry  duck 

But I am actually waiting for that day when there will be such "seats" available! But will they be successful? I doubt it!


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It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 25615 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 12):
Weird news here... And the best climb I have done so far was 9700ft/min in the MD11F With no load and just a bit of fuel. So I guess it would be possible with an A380 or A318 as well if you speed up and then pull smoothly...

Didn't the F-4 Phantom used to be able to climb at 60 000 ft/min maybe AF has bought a couple of those?


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9103 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 25547 times:
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Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 18):
Didn't the F-4 Phantom used to be able to climb at 60 000 ft/min maybe AF has bought a couple of those?

Maybe, but 143 passengers in a F-4?  scratchchin  I want to see THAT Big grin

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User currently offlineChris133 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 25493 times:

Well Its absolutely possible for an A380 to do a sudden jump of 10000ft. All you need are a dozen JATO bottles strapped to the sides and your all good. This is also the next design from Airbus for the STOL version of the A380 (but you didn't hear that from me).  Wink

User currently offlineSmeg From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 25203 times:

Daily Mail has now changed it to an A320. They have still have not printed any of our comments yet though!  Smile

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 25070 times:



Quoting Chris133 (Reply 20):
Well Its absolutely possible for an A380 to do a sudden jump of 10000ft. All you need are a dozen JATO bottles strapped to the sides and your all good. This is also the next design from Airbus for the STOL version of the A380 (but you didn't hear that from me).

I wouldn't like to calculate the airframe stresses for that one! Big grin


User currently offlineMrBrightSide From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 22977 times:

They're printing comments now... but oh my, this was laughable... and the picture of Airbus A380 is still there...


There's no better way to travel than fly (shameless rip of LH's slogan ;-)
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 22688 times:

I am not the least surprised that they let the pilot's kid be in the cockpit on an Air France flight. There must be at least some truth to the story. To what degree, we will probably never know the truth, they will probably make up some story. It is probably not the first time that this sort of security breach occurs on an Air France flight. I bet a lot of their pilots let their own people in the cockpit during flight.


There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
25 Helvknight : I wouldn't be too sure, we are talking about the Daily Mail here.
26 YULWinterSkies : Guys, please get your facts rights and don't speculate, it's an A320 as said 3 times in the text, not an A380 or A318. " target=_blank>http://www.dail
27 Post contains images EA772LR : The media's reporting on aviation is about as accurate as .22 gun shooting a target at 2000 meters.... I somehow get the impression that the media can
28 AF1624 : Even someone with only common sense and no aviation-related knowledge whatsoever knows that this article is a piece of rubbish. This is crazy. It real
29 Theginge : What a load of rubbish this article is. What airliner can go at 53,000ft?!?!?! According to the article it climbed 10,000ft from 33,000ft then another
30 Helvknight : The paper corrected the story, it was originally an A380. And how many A320s do you see with 4 holes and 2 decks? No they love the aviation industry
31 Hywel : "It was terrifying. We had to circle Paris before we could come in to land". Some of these passengers are idiots! Circling before you land at a major
32 AirCatalonia : Probably, the pilot was talking on the phone (since recently AF allowed the use of cell phones in flight) so he gave the kid controls of the plane whi
33 BlooBirdie : My comment didn't get added...oh dearie me I wonder why not?
34 Jamesbaldwyn : The mail is normally pretty good. The Daily Mirror is more focused on the colour of the socks the Beckham's are wearing
35 AADEN : poor air france the damage control tehy'jj have to do on this one...
36 MD80fanatic : Nothing wrong at all with family, kids, regular pax (on the invitation of the captain of course) in the cockpit. I was taken up as a child, and it wa
37 OzGlobal : These statements are offered as merely representing a willingness to believe ill of AF and their pilots. Apart from revealing a willingness to believ
38 CURLYHEADBOY : There was that Aeroflot A310 on which the pilot handed the controls to his son and the kid crashed the plane killing all on board, and the Fedex crew
39 MQTmxguy : And then those responsible for sacking the pilot must be sacked... "I fart in your general direction!"
40 Boeing727flyer : As far as I know Air France do not have any A380 yet? This sounds bogus to me. I really wish the newspapers would get things like this right. More lik
41 Tornado82 : And even if they were, there's no way that the resolution to a traffic alert would be a 10,000 foot climb. Especially if already at FL330. You can he
42 Cabso1 : People who're coming on here and saying that the article is bogus, that's more than obvious. We all know what AF haven't got their 380 yet. The point
43 FlyGuyAlex : Huh?!?! Am i reading it wrong? On the page it says that its a A320!
44 FlashFlyGuy : READ the thread, you'll see that the article was AMENDED. Probably after some a.net member advised them. Last time I looked at the article, last nigh
45 Tornado82 : It's amazing here that some people will have a coronary over them calling it an A380... but yet miss the obvious technical fallacies of the 10,000 ft
46 VX : Every news source should be appointed an airliners.nut user for these kind of senseless mistakes.
47 KL773ER : Sounds like a report that would come from CNN. -KL
48 Thenoflyzone : European airline pilots do what they want ! Proof. I sat in the cockpit of a KLM MD-11 as it landed on rwy 24R in Montreal, Canada, last September, a
49 Mozart : It is NOT against rules for non-crew to sit in the cockpit. This is not a universal rule. Sure, some airlines have it (all airlines in the US, Lufthan
50 Philb : If you think the Daily Wail is pretty good I'd hate to see a paper you think is appalling. The Wail is useless on aviation - and pretty much everythi
51 Laxcdg : Non- rev passengers have access to the cockpit if "invited" by the crew or if the jumpseat was granted to the non-rev. there is nothing wrong with tha
52 Post contains images David L : IF that's true, I'm sure that would be a no-no, of course. IF it's true...    Same for paying passengers*, to which I can testify, and I'm very gra
53 LAXCDG : David L: of course fare paying passenger were also welcomed to the cockpit commonly,but now its very difficult if not impossible due to safety issue.
54 Post contains images KaiGywer : According to the Norwegian newspaper VG, apparently this was the plane in question
55 David L : Correct. As an afterthought I just wanted to make it clear that people shouldn't expect it - as in "oops, what have I said". My main point, though, w
56 LAXCDG : Absolutely, David L,nothing wrong,I agree. I remember the time when there was even " a line" of people waiting for their turn.I have a very found memo
57 HAWK21M : Sounds like our nightly coffee break amusing story regds MEL
58 David L : Agreed. Since the ban is also in force in the UK, I was especially grateful for an opportunity I thought I would never get again. It was the most unc
59 Post contains links RobKemp : Theres no mention of a A380 on the report just a A320. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv..._article_id=564300&in_page_id=1770
60 Helvknight : They finally fixed the picture as well - the article originally said it was an A380, then they changed the text to an A320 but still showing the A380
61 FlySSC : After having so much fun reading the posts above and the "detailed story" by this British "newspaper", I think it's about time to tell really what hap
62 David L : Is that really all that happened? What a bunch of plonkers they are at the Daily Mail.
63 Gofly : Oh, you spoil sport... That's probably the most factual thing that has been said in this thread! -Gofly
64 Pihero : So when is your next trip ?
65 WildcatYXU : I can't imagine what can be terrifying in circling Paris. Granted, I've seen Paris only from the ground, but I find it lovely. Now, while circling, y
66 David L : Long answer: I'm not sure. I've been plagued by all sorts of little events here and there and co-ordinating with people at the other end is difficult
67 Post contains links Goldorak : Here's the official AF press release (from their corporate web site) http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/pr...x.html?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=2776 "Go-Aro
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