Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
UA To Launch DXB And Moscow From IAD  
User currently offlinePNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 587 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16964 times:

United Airlines Announces Plans to Launch Nonstop Service to Dubai and Moscow

Quote:

United plans to tap into two thriving economies with new daily passenger and cargo service to Dubai and Moscow from its Washington Dulles hub. Pending government approvals, United plans to begin its Dubai and Moscow service October 26.

Dubai, a key Middle East trade port, real estate haven and major world hub for IT and financial services, will become the second, fast-emerging Middle Eastern city United serves. In October 2006, United launched three weekly flights between Washington Dulles and Kuwait, and in December 2007 we increased this service to daily.

Service to Moscow, Russia's prime financial, scientific and cultural center, will mark United's fifth new capital-to-capital service in the last two years, bringing the total to 12.


DXB will be a 772 and DME will be 767.

[Edited 2008-05-06 13:14:07]

108 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33286 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16888 times:

Very cool news. Now DME has flights to Chicago, Houston, and Washington; not to mention TransAero has announced plans for LA, Miami, and NYC. From zero to possibly six destinations in one year...very nice for DME.

Though I wonder what this means for Emirates and Dulles. IAD will have daily flights to Dubai, Doha, and Kuwait City. Is there room for one more, or will EK put IAD on the backburner and focus on brining another station like Newark or Miami up before Dulles?



a.
User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1451 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16847 times:

Nice move on UA's part but they can use some 787's for routes like these in the future.

[Edited 2008-05-06 13:25:57]


If you're going through hell, keep going
User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16849 times:

I was wondering what was going to happen with the two 777s from the CAN route....awesome news Smile


Semper Fi - PowerPoint makes us stupid.
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16780 times:

Does UA have 787's on order?

I am assuming that IAD-DXB will be a non-stop, and not just a tag-on to the KWI flight, is this correct?

Either way, congratulations to Moscow, the UAE, and United - it's always great in this day and age to hear of any airline expanding!!



Pan Am:The World's Most Experienced Airline - P(oor) S(ailor's) A(irline): San Diego's Hometown Airline-Catch Our Smile!
User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8769 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16779 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Though I wonder what this means for Emirates and Dulles. IAD will have daily flights to Dubai, Doha, and Kuwait City

Not to sound daft, but EK and UA serve different markets. UA feeds on the American side (including all the government traffic from Washington).

EK feeds from Middle East / Subcontinent origins to Washington only. So, very few passengers who will be contested between UA and a potential EK flight down the road. Different markets, mostly.

[Edited 2008-05-06 13:30:51]

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16709 times:

WOOHOO!!!!!

I have been waiting for the DXB announcement for a LONG time now!!! And DME to go along with it..... man, today is a good day!!

I guess come October time I'm gonna have a big payroll deduct for nonrevving on these flights!!

[Edited 2008-05-06 13:32:59]

User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1451 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16658 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
Does UA have 787's on order?

No, I wish. Only two US airlines have the 787 o order. NW and CO.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
I am assuming that IAD-DXB will be a non-stop, and not just a tag-on to the KWI flight, is this correct?

It will be a non-stop. Jacobin777 claims UA T7's are derated but this is a pretty long flight.  biggrin 

Quoting Flighty (Reply 5):
Not to sound daft, but EK and UA serve different markets. UA feeds on the American side (including all the government traffic from Washington).

I can understand your point as far as the premium passengers go but most steerage pax buy the cheapest tickets so they'll fly whoever, not to mention cargo. If EK sends the 77L or the 77W which I assume they will, they'll have way more lift than UA will thus the ability to carry more cargo.



If you're going through hell, keep going
User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8769 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16566 times:



Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 7):
If EK sends the 77L or the 77W which I assume they will, they'll have way more lift than UA will thus the ability to carry more cargo.

But they won't serve the same cities... UA is serving its American network into DXB, while Emirates is serving Washington to DXB and points onward such as Lahore and Singapore. So, each airline is really catering to different journeys. I was not saying UA's pax are different from EK pax, but rather that their journeys are to different cities.


User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1451 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16490 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 8):
But they won't serve the same cities... UA is serving its American network into DXB, while Emirates is serving Washington to DXB and points onward such as Lahore and Singapore. So, each airline is really catering to different journeys. I was not saying UA's pax are different from EK pax, but rather that their journeys are to different cities.

True, but you have to look at it the other way too. UA will bring connecting pax to other US cities while EK probably won't do a whole lot of that, Thanks to lack of numerous code-sharing partners. I tried searching for a ticket the other day from SFO to DXB on EK and nothing came up because I couldn't find an airline codesharing with them to IAH to catch the DXB flight. I'd have to either go to a travel agent or buy a separate ticket to IAH.



If you're going through hell, keep going
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16494 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Very cool news

Indeed.

I always get a kick out of when people constantly say that IAD isn't an important hub to UA and that it would be shed in a merger scenario, when it in fact it is truly the opposite.

IAD is arguably a hidden gem that UA has not fully exploited until just starting in the past few years. Some of it since certain markets just weren't ready for nonstop international service, and also some of it because UA had its priorities elsewhere. They are finally starting to maximize the potential at IAD with routes like this due to the connectivity and the uniqueness of the local Washington DC/NOVA market.

Quoting United1 (Reply 3):
I was wondering what was going to happen with the two 777s from the CAN route....awesome news

Indeed. This sounds like a much better use and likely more successful than SFO-CAN at least in the short-term.


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16460 times:

UA preempted EK on the IAD-DXB route for now. I doubt that the market could absorb two daily nonstop IAD-DXB flights by competing airlines just yet. EK probably will launch flights to ORD, MIA, or some other American city before IAD.

Now that UA announced plans to fly to DME, I wonder if SU will withdraw its weekly flights from SVO to IAD.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16411 times:

It's interesting how more and more Star Alliance carriers are flying to DME rather than SVO.

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16375 times:



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):
It's interesting how more and more Star Alliance carriers are flying to DME rather than SVO.

Not just Star but oneworld as well AAs new flight and BAs flights all go to DME.



Semper Fi - PowerPoint makes us stupid.
User currently offlineAnetter123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16342 times:

Its great to see UA expand internationally once again. I wonder where they are getting the 767 to operate to DME? I was under the impression they had no aircraft available to do expansions?

Great news for IAD too!


User currently offlineChicagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16289 times:

Any more info on the Moscow route? I just checked the Aeroflot site. They seem to only serve Washington once weekly (is it correct? Seems that there was a lot more service in times past), so UA will essentially have the route to themselves.

What about the feed traffic on Moscow end? Is S7 going to codeshare?


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16077 times:

I could see SU keeping the IAD-SVO weekly if for nothing else the limited Russian government traffic and folks on the Russian end who prefer the Aeroflot brand.

-A



What now?
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16042 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 7):
It will be a non-stop. Jacobin777 claims UA T7's are derated but this is a pretty long flight.

Ughh..... this is a rumor floating around a.net that is completely false and anyone who claim's it's true doesn't know what they're talking about.

UA's 777's are *not* derated. They have full-rate PW4090's and 648,000# MGTOW. They have operated everything from ORD-KIX, SFO-HKG, LAX-SYD, and even UA's longest route of ORD-HKG. Their 777's can do anything in the system, they will be able to do IAD-DXB. During the summer, they will take weight limits on the westbound, same as DL's 772ER's do going to ATL.

Quoting Anetter123 (Reply 14):
I wonder where they are getting the 767 to operate to DME? I was under the impression they had no aircraft available to do expansions?

UA has 22x 3-cabin internationally configured 767's. Of course the aircraft routing is a lot more complex than the chart below, but it gives you a good idea:

1) ORD-AMS-ORD
2) ORD-GRU-ORD
3) ORD-MUC-ORD
4) ORD-CDG-ORD
5) ORD-LHR-ORD
6) ORD-LHR-ORD (2nd ORD-LHR on 763 temporary, will return to 777)
7) IAD-EZE-IAD
8) IAD-GRU-IAD
9) IAD-GIG-IAD (winter seasonal, otherwise GRU connex)
10) IAD-BRU-IAD (winter seasonal, otherwise 777)
11) IAD-FCO-IAD (winter seasonal, otherwise 777)
12) IAD-LHR-IAD
13) IAD-LHR-IAD
14) IAD-FRA-IAD
15) IAD-ZRH-IAD
16) IAD-AMS-IAD
17)
18)
19) reconfiguration
20) reconfiguration
21) ORD spare
22) IAD spare


So, UA has a few extra 763's, even with those in the hangar for reconfiguration. Keep in mind, the above is a highly rough representation as UA uses the 3-cabin 763's on some domestic routes too.

[Edited 2008-05-06 14:37:05]

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16036 times:

This is great news. Well done UA. IAD continues to expand. Wonder where that 767 is coming from?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15966 times:



Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 7):
It will be a non-stop. Jacobin777 claims UA T7's are derated but this is a pretty long flight.   

He's right. United's 777s have a 648,000 pound MTOW vs the available 656,000. The PW4090s will also pose a challenge, but not an insurmountable one. Westbound the flight will be restricted to at least not carrying cargo on hot days.

My guess is that United cares not about the westbound capacity. I'd imagine their money is going to be made eastbound.

NS


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15941 times:

Got a feeling UAL is using the T7 for both routes until the Moscow traffic dies off and then it goes to either a 767 or maybe the PS 757  Smile

User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1296 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15940 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 17):
Ughh..... this is a rumor floating around a.net that is completely false and anyone who claim's it's true doesn't know what they're talking about.

UA's 777's are *not* derated. They have full-rate PW4090's and 648,000# MGTOW. They have operated everything from ORD-KIX, SFO-HKG, LAX-SYD, and even UA's longest route of ORD-HKG. Their 777's can do anything in the system, they will be able to do IAD-DXB. During the summer, they will take weight limits on the westbound, same as DL's 772ER's do going to ATL.

Exactly and it pisses me off especially since it has been said 100000000 times that this is totally FALSE. And now others start saying the PW4056 UA uses on the 744 is de-rated and so their 744's have less range bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.

BS. all the way.

Leo



Happiness is V1 in Lagos
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15854 times:



Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 21):
Exactly and it pisses me off especially since it has been said 100000000 times that this is totally FALSE. And now others start saying the PW4056 UA uses on the 744 is de-rated and so their 744's have less range bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.

Um. Ok. I'm right. You guys are not. See reply 19.

Derated is the wrong term. United's 777s are less capable than every other 777-200ER operating with a US carrier.

NS


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15793 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 19):
He's right. United's 777s have a 648,000 pound MTOW vs the available 656,000.

So??

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 19):
The PW4090s will also pose a challenge, but not an insurmountable one.

No, they pose no challenge. Even on UA's longest routes of IAD-NRT, KWI-IAD, and SFO-TPE, UA consistently uses reduced power takeoffs simply because the 777 is so overpowered (yes, including the 777-222/ER), and does not need to use max blast even on those ULH's.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 19):
Westbound the flight will be restricted to at least not carrying cargo on hot days.

Same as DL's westbound DXB-ATL. They have 656k MGTOW and Trent 895's.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 22):
Um. Ok. I'm right. You guys are not. See reply 19.

You're not even close to right. One of my best buddies is the youngest 777 captain at UA, and flies their longest routes on a normal basis. Even UA's "less capable" 777's will have no problem with that route.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 22):
United's 777s are less capable than every other 777-200ER operating with a US carrier.

What's that have to do with anything?? Unless UA is into getting into corporate pissing contests, their 777's do everything they need them to do, end of story.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6733 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15792 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
I always get a kick out of when people constantly say that IAD isn't an important hub to UA and that it would be shed in a merger scenario, when it in fact it is truly the opposite.

IAD is arguably a hidden gem that UA has not fully exploited until just starting in the past few years. Some of it since certain markets just weren't ready for nonstop international service, and also some of it because UA had its priorities elsewhere. They are finally starting to maximize the potential at IAD with routes like this due to the connectivity and the uniqueness of the local Washington DC/NOVA market.

Very true. IAD has the potential to someday become a mega-hub. You have a robust and growing DC market, strong international demand, good location for international traffic to Europe and beyond and no growth potential at DCA. Not to mention that IAD actually has room for physical expansion, including additional concourses and an addtional runway. I think IAD also has some room to grow even its domestic traffic.

The only real negatives IAD faces are 1) a decent amount of high-yield traffic gets bled away by DCA and 2) UA's long-term future is still quite murky. But if UA can pull through, the potential is there for IAD to grow...moreso than any other hub in UA's system.


25 MarkC : A lot of this confusion about United ratings might also come from the fact they are a large mixed operator, have engines with different and can have a
26 United787 : I agree. I think IAD is a great hub that will only get better! Aerotrain is due to open in 2009 Fourth Runway opening in 2008 Concourse B expansion i
27 LAXintl : Keep in mind each deep South America route requires two aircraft each as they are both redeyes. So for 4 routes, they require basically 8 aircraft. S
28 Transpac787 : The article stated that IAD-DXB will be a 777 and IAD-DME will be a 763. UA couldn't use 757's to DME anyway. At slightly more than 4900mi, IAD-DME i
29 Gigneil : So? We're talking about the route, aren't we? The economics of the route are dependent on the aircraft assigned. This thread is to discuss the route.
30 Qantas744ER : Totally wrong You dont seem to understand that all it takes UA for the 656,000Lbs is a short call to Seattle and in no time do all their 77E's have t
31 Gigneil : That is not the case. They cannot plan to use their PW4090s above 648k legally due to emissions problems restricting their thrust. As a result, I don
32 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : Norcal773 is only trying to "ignite the crowd"..... I've stated UA has many "A-market" 777's which couldn't do it...and as Gigneil stated below, many
33 Transpac787 : Yes, and is why I'm asking what the 648k MGTOW has to do with the route. Even at a lower MGTOW, the UA 772ER will still be able to operate the route,
34 Gigneil : Yes. Do it. NS
35 Post contains images Transpac787 : I was reffering to the pissing contest that Gigneil seemed to be insinuating. Even though UA's 777's might be less capable, where does he get any com
36 Transpac787 : What would you like to see?? Also, will you be posting anything to back yourself up??
37 Post contains images Jacobin777 : There have been numerous threads and posts about this here discussing this. That was the point...not that they aren't capable, but only less capable.
38 Qantas744ER : Dude we have a real problem here! Since your right and im wrong i think it would be best that YOU call KE and tell them their PW4090 powered 77E's ar
39 Norcal773 : True, LAX-HKG is one of them and CX 744's seem to make way more tech stops than UA does. Ooh boy, I must have opened a can of worms. Barely? C'mon no
40 Post contains images Jacobin777 : NEVER... Shot at 2007-04-30 Shot at 2008-05-06 ...I stated they aren't too weight restricted from EWR-HKG... Judging from the posts here, I say you a
41 SFO2SVO : I was really hoping that when UA joins the club of Moscow flyers they will do it from SFO since they have a hub there. AA and DL only do nonstops from
42 MAH4546 : SU ended Seattle flights quite a while ago. SFO/SEA-SVO is low-yield VFR. Not happening unless fuel gets cheap again, and with new wave Russian immig
43 Norcal773 : Exactly, QF's are ER's and UA's are not but they still make it. Ooh boy, I should have known you'd do what you do best, plug in a bunch of your pics.
44 Afay1 : S7 and United already have an interline agreement, and have had one for awhile according to S7's website....
45 DfwRevolution : They aren't and Gigneil is still right. Pratt employees on this website will confirm that the PW4090 fails emissions standards for allowable NOx at o
46 777fan : By "uniqueness" do you mean "bottomless-pockets-of-the-world's-largest-bureaucracy-and-its-contract-and-lobbyist-bedfellows"?! The$e route$ $hould be
47 Jacobin777 : That's the whole point mate..no one here is stating that they can't make it.. Just that they aren't as capable. ...besides my UA photo, none have a g
48 Qantas744ER : QF got the ER's to do their MEL-LAX-MEL ops with less restrictions, compared to those they had on the 744 and UA only sends their 744's to SYD non st
49 Azncsa4qf744er : Okay OO CG boy, since when did United put a B777-200ER on the LAX SYD route? If you were referring to the Charter with the Media's that accompanied t
50 FlyDreamliner : It's exciting to see UA expanding, especially in the trans-atlantic market. It's nice to see a star alliance non-stop to DXB (if only they'd add one t
51 WorldTraveler : DL does not take weight restrictions. They do have cargo limits but so does every aircraft at a given weight. upgrading from an 892 to an 895 is not
52 WarRI1 : I wonder, what does one do in Dubai after flying there for a vacation? Are the religious laws strict there?
53 Post contains links Qantas744ER : Man FlyDreamliner you really summed it all up. And you are 100% correct Good to see that some here knows the facts Leo Doesnt state that in the TCDS
54 Zone1 : Don't get yourself fired for posting up work documents.
55 RwSEA : Excellent news for UA! Of all the transatlantic expansion possibilities, these two make the most sense. Rapidly growing markets with limited US-carrie
56 PanAm330 : Sweet! Good to finally see some expansion from these guys, and to rather unique destinations to boot! I hope I'll be able to use both routes someday,
57 United1 : What do you think a weight restriction is....
58 WorldTraveler : I know people who were involved in the DL conversion. if you would bother to read page 3 of the document YOU cited, you would see that the 895 fuel p
59 Mk777 : Nice to see UA expand at IAD. Its amazing to see the increase in the number of intl. destinations from IAD especially to Asia. PEK, KWI, DOH (QR) and
60 BA744PHX : Well you can probably kiss EK from starting this route. There is no way both flights can co exist
61 Zvezda : Yes and no. UA do not have spares just sitting around doing nothing. On the other hand, they do schedule domestic flights with long-haul aircraft in
62 United1 : Yup its a 2330 departure from DXB
63 Mymiles2go : I thought it was a bit interesting how they scheduled the IAD-Moscow flight at 4:45PM. That's a touch on the early side of the 5PM bank, especially gi
64 FreequentFlier : Any misconnects could be routed through the later FRA flights.
65 Aircanada014 : Thats pretty damn good news for IAD and UA offering two new destinations out of IAD. Nice to see UA expanding across the Atlantic. Lets hope these two
66 SU : Excellent news - Congrats UA - bring it over - I have been waiting for IAD-DME non stop for several years now. This is my primary route for business a
67 SU : UA has advantage over EK on this particular route because of US govermental employee, global travelers and NGO who are only alowd to fly with US carr
68 Pylon101 : DME-IAD is a smart move of the United Airlines. Aeroflot flight to IAD flies directly to IAD only 4 months a year. The rest of time it has a boring st
69 Laxintl : Actually, the UAL models are only listed to 640,000 lbs currently.
70 BMIFlyer : Excellent news for UA regarding both routes. I look forward to travelling on the new routes maybe in 2009.
71 Zvezda : Star Alliance carriers at DME: BD, LH, LX, OS, SQ, TG, and soon UA Star Alliance carriers at SVO: CA, JP, LO, SK, TK
72 Qantas744ER : i see my mistake.. but take it easy wasnt trying to be smart.. Leo
73 AABB777 : AA will also fly into DME, from ORD.
74 ChicagoFlyer : 640K is right; however, one clarification needed to the discussion of aircraft capabilities above. I think a lot of people are confused about the ope
75 Behramjee : You obviously have no idea what you are talking about as UAL and EK would be targetting two different market segments for their respective IAD-DXB-IA
76 Flighty : Exactly, thank you.
77 SU : DME is also getting One World hub IB DME BA DME MA DME JAL DME (soon) RJ DME AA DME (soon) AY SVO
78 Flightopsguy : Allowable takeoff weight is always the most restrictive of: Max structural weight as defined by the manufacturer. Runway limit weight (breaks down in
79 AAH732UAL : Everyone De-rates except for SWA. De-rate and less range are two different things. De-rate is used for the engines to have less ware, the pilots will
80 Transpac787 : 13x of the 97x in the fleet are, IIRC. UA could use them TATL, but most likely they've already considered it and determined they are better used on t
81 United_Fan : I wonder how many Russian-speaking f/a's UA has.I also wonder how hotly-bid Moscow will be by flight-crews?
82 B742 : Will be incredible to see another US carrier in DXB. The influx of International carriers into Dubai is outstanding over the past 10-15 years. Nothing
83 AAH732UAL : IDK about Russian FAs, but I know my mom and her best friend are going to bid it when it comes out. Both DXB and DME.
84 Transpac787 : At DL, the Moscow flights are some of the most junior FA trips for the international crews. I don't know by personal experience, just by their word,
85 Post contains images AAH732UAL : I think she can handle it. She and her friend are like in the top 25 amongst the DCA FAs [Edited 2008-05-07 09:33:30]
86 Jacobin777 : IIRC SQ does also. I saw one back in spring of 2001...I was actually surprised to see DL there..
87 Cageyjames : It will be nice if the UA/US merger goes through so we can debate the derated 777s and 333s in one place.
88 Transpac787 : We're not discussing if your mom can hold the trip or not.... We're discussing the seniority of the trips. Like I said, at DL the SVO trips are among
89 Post contains images AAH732UAL : I got a feeling DXB will stay high just like the Kuwait trips. Kuwait goes very high among the FAs but is sorta JR. for pilots. DME will be high for
90 Flightopsguy : Derating engines by changing the EEC or canon plug on the fuel control unit on a permanent or semipermanent basis is not the same as a reduced EPR ta
91 Transpac787 : Haha...yes?? But yet there are still many differences/similarities that seem universal to the US legacy crews. Alright, take AA for example then. The
92 AAH732UAL : Thats what I said but in the dumbed down way since this is not the TEC/OPS part FCO is prolly the best trip for IAD right now and it is 1.5 US for 1
93 FlyDreamliner : Here is the thing, if there is only one flight, both market segments have one choice. Even if there is are two segments, the entire market may only b
94 IADLHR : Just out of curiosity, what makes FRA so attractive to senior crews?
95 Transpac787 : Which is a horrible exchange rate if your currency is USD... Good for you. What's this have to do with anything?? Because I have to correct people li
96 EXAAUADL : these are two full aircraft each, not one.
97 Pyh : I think that SAS and Finnair fly to SVO because they both have code-share flights with Aeroflot.
98 AAH732UAL : -I did not really thing of the range when I posted the 757 thing. -I do know de-rate v. reduce thrust so just leave it be pal Read what i said, I put
99 AAH732UAL : B/c u were trying to tell me what good lay-overs have.
100 Flighty : I don't think you catch our drift at all. We are not talking about "market segments" as in people. We are talking about "Markets" as in city pairs. Y
101 UAL777 : Munich is the most senior for the 777 pilots at IAD. I've heard it referred to as "the watering hole."
102 AABB777 : Not sure why UA can't fly SFO-CAN, but can muster IAD-DME & IAD-DXB. Anybody have any thoughts?
103 Post contains links Lightsaber : Congratulations to UA on these routes. Wow! Two big new additions to IAD. That's amazing for Moscow. Can it be sustained? Was the market that underser
104 UAL777UK : I would assume its pure economics, theres more money to be made on these routes and there could be fairly good results from the start whereas SFO-CAN
105 SFORunner : Semi-captive US Government traffic out of DC?
106 DC8FanJet : Yield...pure & simple. SFO/CAN is somewhat more speculative, now isn't the time to be speculating.
107 FlyDreamliner : I catch your drift. What I have to say is: Interline ticketing. why can you not fly an EK flight out of HYD or BLR into DXB and then catch the UA fli
108 Laxintl : Agreed, the runway takeoff performance can actually go much higher than 640k. Typically up to around 650k-ish for a long sealvl rwy @ ISA. DXB may po
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
BA To Start GLA And ZRH From LCY posted Fri Feb 9 2007 16:22:21 by FRALIM
FR To Launch 20 New Routes From DUB... posted Thu Oct 21 2004 14:39:34 by Pe@rson
SN To Increase GOT And Change From ARN To BMA! posted Tue Oct 12 2004 09:53:21 by Sabenapilot
Alitalia To Launch Shanghai And LAX posted Fri Oct 1 2004 08:19:09 by Behramjee
Etihad Airways To Launch Geneva And Munich posted Sat Feb 7 2004 23:20:46 by Teahan
Thomson To Launch Low Cost Airline From Coventry. posted Thu Dec 18 2003 00:48:04 by Gilesdavies
AC To Launch Non-stop Service From YYZ To India posted Thu Jul 3 2003 23:51:24 by SafeFlyer
UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG posted Thu May 3 2007 16:16:02 by RDUDDJI
EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007 posted Wed Dec 27 2006 00:10:57 by JDFlyVC10
Delta To Serve CUN From IAD And BOS posted Mon Jan 30 2006 23:49:31 by OttoPylit
Alitalia To Launch Shanghai And LAX posted Fri Oct 1 2004 08:19:09 by Behramjee
Etihad Airways To Launch Geneva And Munich posted Sat Feb 7 2004 23:20:46 by Teahan
Thomson To Launch Low Cost Airline From Coventry. posted Thu Dec 18 2003 00:48:04 by Gilesdavies
AC To Launch Non-stop Service From YYZ To India posted Thu Jul 3 2003 23:51:24 by SafeFlyer
UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG posted Thu May 3 2007 16:16:02 by RDUDDJI
EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007 posted Wed Dec 27 2006 00:10:57 by JDFlyVC10