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NW To Announce New Int'l Destination  
User currently offlineDavidlc3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 341 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22746 times:

From SEA

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080507/20080507006085.html?.v=1

Any guesses?  Smile

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User currently offlineFFlyerWorld From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22733 times:

Sounds interesting! I am not surprised by this at all. In fact, over the course of the next few months (prior to the evenutal merger completion) we will be seeing both NWA and DAL announcing more International destinations from various locales. Exciting times for both airlines even with fuel prices skyrocketing!

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22712 times:

Paris maybe, doesnt AF alreadt fly SEA-CDG.....maybe LHR. Gotta be a Skyteam hub.

User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22715 times:

My initial thought on this would be LHR, to compete with BA. This would require a slot, which I think they could acquire. They have the ac to do it as well.

The other possibility that comes to mind would be ICN, to provide skyteam feed to Korean Air, but I doubt this is it because it would take away from NRT, not to mention I would see ICN from DTW before SEA.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12254 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22688 times:
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Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2):
maybe LHR.

LHR is already official so it has to be something else



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User currently offlineDavidlc3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22688 times:

do they have any open frequencies into Asia? China? Maybe HKG?

User currently offlinePHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22689 times:

Interesting!!

I'm not thinking it will be Europe (though it obviously could be...Paris would be the only possibility I could think of).

I am thinking either a second Japanese city (Nagoya or Osaka?) or something like Hong Kong, Tapei, Seoul (though the later two are covered well already).

Another new non-rev opportunity for me..yeah!


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22627 times:

.................................................Vancouver .............. just kidding

I would saaaaayyyy Frankfort Germany......only a guess.
safe



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8420 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22605 times:
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HKG or an Asian destination. LHR was already annouced with NW's new LHR service. AF is doing CDG, so NW wouldn't start within days or months of Air France. AMS is already served, it could be Seoul.

User currently offlineFlyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22601 times:

We here in the Northwest are hoping that it is Hong Kong

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22566 times:

I really think is a European city from SEA.

What I am waiting for is DTW to Dubai....me thinks thats coming this year.
safe

[Edited 2008-05-07 10:30:35]


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User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22562 times:



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 7):
I would saaaaayyyy Frankfort Germany......only a guess.
safe

If LH weren't beginning service on SEA-FRA, I would agree with you, but I don't think this market would be able to handle two new entrants. I'm guessing it will be Asia, probably TPE, HKG, KIX, or ICN (in that order). The reason why I suspect TPE is because of Taiwan's involvement in computer production and Seattle (Redmond) with Microsoft.

Just a guess.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25734 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22540 times:

Seattle has been pushing for US carrier links to several Asian destinations including mainland China, Korea and Hong Kong. Maybe NWA bit.


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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17657 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22430 times:

Why did they leave HKG in the first place?


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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22409 times:

I'll roll the dice and say India (BOM or DEL)....


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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3214 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 22344 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 14):
I'll roll the dice and say India (BOM or DEL)....

That would be a LONGGG way from SEA, wouldn't it??

I think what we haven't asked yet.... what plane will it be operated with?? With the additions of MSP-CDG, SEA-LHR, and PDX-AMS, I think the A330 fleet is operating at full capacity now. So, it must be a 744 (at least I would assume).

So, I put my money on SEA-KIX or SEA-HKG.... though I'm more leaning toward SEA-KIX. SEA-HKG would make a pretty weird rotation on the 744's. They'd have to be routed DTW-NRT-HKG-SEA, and then back.


User currently offlineRexKramer From Puerto Rico, joined Feb 2008, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 22269 times:

Maybe SEA-SYD, or SEA-BOM.

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3214 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 22229 times:



Quoting RexKramer (Reply 16):
Maybe SEA-SYD

This is one of the long-rumored 787 routes. I'd imagine it's just outside the useful range of the 744 though, as UA's have difficulty enough with SFO/LAX-SYD, where SEA is a good bit further.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 22198 times:

Doesn't ICN and TPE already have two airlines in the market non-stop from SEA? What would the benefit be for 3?

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 22090 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2):
maybe LHR

was announced long time ago. It could be return of Osaka, Hong Kong would be an interesting choice instead of starting hong kong from Detroit or Minneapolis. Nagoya could be another possibility. China, well if they dropped a route somewhere they could, but didn't seem like they would put a China route from Seattle.



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User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 22070 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 15):
That would be a LONGGG way from SEA, wouldn't it??

No question!

I was just throwing it out there... IIRC, SEA-AMS continues on to India, so I was just imagining a "complete loop."

Quote:
So, I put my money on SEA-KIX or SEA-HKG.... though I'm more leaning toward SEA-KIX. SEA-HKG would make a pretty weird rotation on the 744's. They'd have to be routed DTW-NRT-HKG-SEA, and then back.

You think HKG? Why do you think so (honest question, not a pointed one)?



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3214 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21973 times:



Quoting Nwaesc (Reply 20):
SEA-AMS continues on to India, so I was just imagining a "complete loop."

Yea, NW33/34 is SEA-AMS-BOM and return.

Quoting Nwaesc (Reply 20):
You think HKG? Why do you think so (honest question, not a pointed one)?

I'm not quite sure, but it seems reasonable. I'd love to see SYD, but I don't think it's possible. You'd have to have 2x dedicated 744's to the route, as no 744's currently rotate through SEA or SYD at all.

Rotating 744's through HKG is possible, but unlikely I think. Like I said, the planes would have to rotate DTW-NRT-HKG-SEA, and then back.

KIX would be easier though. They could rotate DTW-KIX-SEA, and then return on 744's. The A333 that currently flies HNL-KIX could then do the TPE continuation. Of course I'm just thinking out loud here, but that would make sense as far as aircraft rotations go.

Of course the "fatal flaw" to that plan is how NW will be using 744's on HNL-KIX again, I do believe. Maybe they intend to downgrade KIX-TPE to a 75X with the addition of NRT-TPE on 75X.

So who knows..... I'm definitely looking forward to the announcement though!!  Big grin


User currently offlineFlyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21925 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 18):
Doesn't ICN and TPE already have two airlines in the market non-stop from SEA? What would the benefit be for 3?


We have Asiana and Korean Air to Korea as well as EVA Air and China Airlines to Taiwan. Hainan will be starting service to China.


Current INTL destinations from SEATAC (YXS is missing, but is a new route)

http://www.portseattle.org/images/about/maps/InternationalRoutes.jpg

[Edited 2008-05-07 11:27:53]

[Edited 2008-05-07 11:29:21]

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21832 times:



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 10):
What I am waiting for is DTW to Dubai....me thinks thats coming this year.

Delta serves DXB from ATL.

Quoting RexKramer (Reply 16):
Maybe SEA-SYD

If this new destination warrants an entire Yahoo article, this is what popped into my head as well. Remember, this is a new international destination, unless the OP phrased it wrong. So that nixes other suggestions such as HKG, LHR, etc..



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3214 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21810 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 23):
his is a new international destination, unless the OP phrased it wrong.

The OP phrased it wrong. The article says "new nonstop international route". So, it is still potentially HKG/KIX/NGO, etc.

LHR is already served (or will be, at least) by NW with A332's.


25 RwSEA : My guess is KIX or HKG. More likely HKG than KIX due to yields, however SEA-HKG might be pushing it on a 332. Europe is saturated right now - we're st
26 Iluv747400 : The press release actually describes it as "a new nonstop international route." If it was a new destination for Northwest, I think it would have said
27 Jetjack74 : SEA-PEK
28 MAH4546 : It's a new route, to a current destination. As for China, remember that Northwest has seven unrestricted Shanghai frequencies and seven unrestricted B
29 TWFirst : Asia, Europe or North America?
30 Flighty : SEA-PEK might make sense. NW's NRT-PEK has not been 744, suggesting maybe it is not the strongest route. So they could cut the NRT in favor of SEA. Bu
31 RwSEA : SEA-PEK also might make sense considering that Hunan is starting service this summer, but only with a 4x weekly frequency. A carrier like NW would be
32 Jetjack74 : I think we could fill a 744 on the SEA-NRT daily, thereby relieving a few A332's for another SEA-nonstop. I think my contention that SEA is slowly bec
33 Rwy04LGA : SEA-BOM would fill the last gap in circling the globe.
34 PSU.DTW.SCE : It won't be SYD or BOM. Could be HKG, but doubtful. I would likely be either the return of SEA-KIX (hasn't been flown since 2004-2005 ish)
35 RexKramer : For NW to make a news announcement and invite the governor of Washington it must be pretty big. Maybe SEA-BOM?
36 BAW716 : I agree. It makes no sense for NW to add SEA-CDG when a SkyTeam partner already operates SEA-CDG (unless AF is considering pulling it, which there is
37 WorldTraveler : Along with something from China, I have to agree it’s one of these but I will also add the possibility of NGO. HKG will require a 744 which is a lo
38 IrishAyes : I would say it is in Asia: either Japan or China, maybe Latin America? If it is in Europe, then it would be a market NWA has not penetrated as of yet
39 Tonymctigue : How about DTW-DUB? There have been rumors floating for quite a while that NWA want to enter the Irish market.
40 MaverickM11 : KIXSEA is a small market, although they could get connections onward to TPE, but TPE already has two carriers flying SEA nonstop
41 BAW716 : Range for the A332 is 6750nm (acc Airbus); SEA-HKG on the GCM is 6500nm. So, SEA-HKG could be operated by the A332 with room to spare. It might have
42 RwSEA : And now connections through NRT as well. I'm thinking it won't be KIX, given all the recent pullouts from KIX (such as AC's recent withdrawing of the
43 Transpac787 : Woo!!! I got one right for once, haha. Except it's going to be A332, not 744. Very interesting, that. I wonder if the A333 flying NW85/86 on SEA-NRT t
44 Flighty : This was a great point by the way. Never thought about it like that.
45 Viscount724 : Coincidentally AC just announced that they're dropping YVR-KIX with the start of the winter schedule at the end of October due to unprofitability. AC
46 RwSEA : That's what I'm wondering - the 332s are pretty stretched as it is. I guess it would need to be one of the following scenarios: NRT-PEK, SIN, or BKK
47 Transpac787 : NRT-BKK is already getting A333 this summer, and will be a permanent swap. Maybe they're freeing up the extra A332 hours that way. This wouldn't surp
48 UN_B732 : I'm waiting for DTW-BOM on the 787, but we'll see.
49 Davidlc3 : Could this be a ATL-SEA-Asia tag????
50 Centrair : From an aircraft rotation standpoint KIX and ICN make sense. But with OZ and KE already serving SEA, KIX would work. Japan is pushing carriers to use
51 WorldTraveler : The point of flying to Asia is to have enough margin to carry substantial cargo. It makes far more sense to fly a plane that can carry a healthy amou
52 WesternA318 : Ding ding, this is what I'm thinking, lol.
53 Centrair : I don't quite get what you mean. Can you explain? Just some info on NGO. Current NW and DL ops are NGO-SPN NGO-GUM DTW-NGO-MNL DL codeshare on ICN-NG
54 DL Widget Head : Since the SkyTeam hubs of ICN and CDG are already served by ST partners, I don't think it will be one of those. Also, since the Governor is invited to
55 DTWAGENT : I can see Hong Kong...From SEA. At least that is my quess. chuck
56 Post contains links Centrair : When did NW serve SEA-HKG? Was it in the 1980s or 1990s? I thought they had service on that route once using a 744. An A330-200 could do it easily. Qu
57 Flighty : I still think it might be PEK. But only if NW has a fresh idea for those NRT slots. Vietnam or maybe a new USA-NRT flight.
58 WorldTraveler : I just mean that I expect to see DL further grow in Japan, including to/from/through KIX and NGO. I wouldn't be surprised to see LAX back and wouldn't
59 Ninetoe : what if Vietnam finally relented and let a second US carrier in?
60 ZL : I'll be absolutely delighted if it is PEK. And I think it is quite possible. Hainan Airlines is going to fly SEA-PEK next month, making NW's one-stop
61 A380US : How about TLV I mean delta makes tons of money maybe NW is gonna take a try at the market
62 AlexInWa : OK so what is it??? Is it Osaka? Today is not Thursday
63 MAH4546 : They do not need to change anything. Northwest holds seven unrestricted Beijing frequencies and seven unrestricted Shanghai frequencies that can be u
64 AlexInWa : And Osaka is not a "New International destination", just been sleeping!!!!
65 Jetjack74 : From 1994-1998 with a 747-200. It was a 744 with the stop in NRT. It was once JFK-NRT-HKG, the it went to the LAX-NRT-HKG
66 Jetjack74 : Could it be SEA-KIX-HKG? I would find that route much more plausible given our aversion to take real chances. I really wish we'd get the 747 back on t
67 Centrair : I was looking at the rights at DOT ([url=http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/intav/country.pdf]International Route Authority by Country[url]). Can someon
68 AlexInWa : I'm going to make two guesses, one for HKG, the other PVG in that order. I'll rule the South Pacific out as it is VERY easy now to connect via YVR to
69 DocLightning : SYD? filler filler filler filler
70 DeltaL1011man : I don't think they have the A/C to make it. UA's 744s have a hard time making SFO-SYD. If anything I can see SEA-NRT-SYD or SEA-NRT-MEL. If they can
71 Dc-9-10 : SFO-SYD is shorter then LAX-SYD (according to Great Circle Mapper anyway).
72 Transpac787 : SFO-SYD is shorter than LAX-SYD. Incidentally, NW used to operate NRT-SYD. However, both the Japanese and Australian governments forced them to event
73 Flyingcat : I wish that were to happen. Some of the best foood on earth!
74 Mason : Has anyone even mentioned the idea of a DL 777 operating the route? I know SEA is a A330 base for NW, but with all the restructuring going on, perhaps
75 DocLightning : I was actually on the last NW flight out of SYD. The ground staff came out to wave good-bye to the plane. It was sad to think they were all losing th
76 Centrair : They haven't merged yet! This is an NW announcement not a DL/NW pre-merger approval announcement. Now the 763ER as a trans-pac aircraft would work an
77 HB-IWC : Additional capacity shouldn't be a problem that will preclude NW from launching any routes. There are strong indications that KLM will next winter tak
78 BAW716 : There is merit to your point. However, if the alternative is a 744 (the 333 has less range than the 332), then you are putting too much airplane to s
79 TomFoolery : If there is additional routing in Europe, I would guess that it would be at an existing NW station, however, Prague would seem quite reasonable as wel
80 Slips : It was ITM-SYD, not from NRT. In 1991, NW extended their exsisting JFK-ITM route to SYD. It was the first nonstop service between Osaka and Australia
81 GSPSPOT : Waiting patiently for today's announcement. I'm kinda excited!
82 PSU.DTW.SCE : Never. They would never start a route to Europe from SEA unless it was already flown to from DTW and MSP. Thus that limits it to CDG or FRA - but CDG
83 B752OS : I think it will definately be an Asian destination. I could never see NW flying SEA-PRG.
84 Nwaflyer : Could it be a destination from MSP? The only reason I say this is NW and DL want to keep the Minnesota politicians happy to prevent having to repay th
85 Burnsie28 : I agree, PRG would be launched from DTW.
86 EMB170 : Oh, goodness, another who is AS going to merge with thread? Joking aside, I don't think anyone will merge with AS...their relationship as a codeshare
87 PSU.DTW.SCE : DTW-PRG is always a certainty after the NW/DL merger. With the link of the two Skyteam hubs and the Anti-Trust granted between NW/DL/KL/AF and OK thi
88 Burnsie28 : Osaka actually Not a chance since its being announced with the Port of Seattle, in Seattle none the less.
89 OOer : Just throwing it out there...but...beings its a Skyteam hub with no competition....SEA-FCO????
90 ER757 : I am going to say PVG. Hainan Air is starting SEA/PEK shortly so I don't think NW will be going there from SEA, not enough demand for a 2 flights on t
91 Danimarroquin : how about if they want expand on south america ....... BOG would be a great target
92 Adam T. : Didn't UAL apply to operate NRT-SYD in the early 1990s? My Dad brought me an inflight magazine after a trip on UAL in the early 90s and it showed on
93 CALMSP : what sucks is that we have to wait until 5edt to find out!!!! Why do they have to play with us??
94 UAL777UK : Cannot comment on the 1990's, but IIRC UA are still interested in openeing up this route at some time. Of course, they dont have the spare metal even
95 United777 : I'm going with Hong Kong most likely city than Shanghai than Beijing. Next to Paris Seattle has been trying to get a link the China for so many years.
96 Davidlc3 : I just re-read the PR - the governor is attending...the means it has to be something fairly earth-shaking (which on the west coast is most any fault l
97 MaverickM11 : Was YYC already ruled out ?
98 B2443 : Anything from SEA to mainland China would mean a loss from NRT, without additional rights. Their newly awarded frequencies are for DTW-PVG starting Ma
99 United1 : SEA-NRT-BOM maybe? disregard, I just re-read the press release and is states a non-stop route.[Edited 2008-05-08 10:31:36]
100 BayAreaBlue : I have a guess of SEA-KIX.
101 Alitalia744 : SEA-KIX i'm thinking
102 PHXtoDCAtoMSP : If it is to a second Japanese city...I am now thinking it could be Nagoya. Isn't that where a lot of the 787 is being built? SEA-NGO could be a winner
103 SeeTheWorld : Since they will be doing DTW-PVG, I'm guessing it will be either SEA-PEK or SEA-HKG.
104 B2443 : They don't have rights to do SEA-PEK, unless they pulled NRT-PEK. However SEA-HKG is not subject to US-China frequency limits. As much as I would lik
105 United777 : It's just a matter of time before SEA gets a non-stop flight to India. If a US carrier were to fly the route it would be NW for sure. I don't see that
106 MaverickM11 : Is it definitely going to be a 332? They can't make FCO work, why would PRG have an ice cube's hope in hell?
107 ZL : starting a new route from SEA using a 744 is too risky.
108 Davidlc3 : Unless they launch with a major corp contract for seats and/or cargo ala AA RDU-LGW (LHR)
109 Transpac787 : Probably. But, I think a lot of us are hoping that SEA-NRT becomes a 744 while the 332 that used to fly SEA-NRT will then operate the new route. Repl
110 SeeTheWorld : I was assuming they would pull NRT-PEK to do SEA-PEK if they went that direction. I should have made that clear. Plus, your point about the A330 not
111 MaverickM11 : That's true for any route--is there a 332 that's free? Where is it coming from?
112 Post contains links Simairlinenet : NWA Cargo Trims China Flying Just a hint I received...[Edited 2008-05-08 13:03:28]
113 SeeTheWorld : NWA Cargo Trims China Flying Just a hint I received... So, they could do SEA-PEK without using the NRT-PEK slot? [Edited 2008-05-08 13:05:49][Edited 2
114 UnitedTristar : I thought you couldn't convert cargo frequency's to Passenger frequency's? -m
115 SeeTheWorld : Honestly, I'm not sure, but I thought that this was originally a passenger frequency that NW got a waiver on for cargo. Does that sound at all famili
116 Centrair : Those are all-Cargo frequency routes. Can these be re-allocated to passenger routes. Plus they are requesting dormancy till 2011...then what? But doe
117 CALMSP : I'm with you on that................don't think you can trade cargo flights for pax flghts.
118 Post contains links SeeTheWorld : Seattle King news is reporting a China route. http://www.king5.com/business/storie...al_flights_seatac_KS.dae6c867.html
119 CALMSP : yeah, i"M not doubting the China service!!! Only about 10 more minutes!!
120 PHXtoDCAtoMSP : It seems like that is their best guess. They didn't quote or cite anyone on that. And you know how often the media gets the airline industry right. I
121 Post contains links PSU.DTW.SCE : http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080508/20080508006313.html?.v=1 SEA-PEK daily A330-200 starting 3/1/2009
122 B2443 : Unless Seattle King is confused with Hainan Airlines PEK-SEA starting Jun 9? Or if indeed it is a non-stop to China, it can't be any of PEK/PVG/CAN.
123 Nwab787techops : Daily Service Seattle to Beijing Destination: Flight Number: Departs: Arrives: Effective: Beijing 87 4:55 p.m. 8:35 p.m. +1 Mar. 1, 2009 Destination:
124 Flighty : Well it's 7000 miles. Only NW's 744 could do it. It is much better as a 777 route. But maybe As our friend RWSea pointed out.... DCA-DTW-NRT-PEK just
125 CALMSP : so the plane sits for 22 hours in SEA??????????/
126 B2443 : OMG, they swapped their hard earned DTW-PVG with SEA-PEK. Wow. Guess 744 and delayed 787 were the culprit to killing DTW-PVG. Never thought NW would
127 PHXtoDCAtoMSP : The press release says "In addition to the direct Seattle-Beijing and Detroit-Shanghai service, Northwest will also continue to operate daily round-tr
128 MAH4546 : It looks like the flight is coming at the expense of Guangzhou service.
129 PHXtoDCAtoMSP : They didn't swap. The latest frequencies that were awarded were not transferable. So where is it coming from?? Were they able to switch the cargo to
130 DeltaL1011man : "In addition to the direct Seattle-Beijing and Detroit-Shanghai service, Northwest will also continue to operate daily round-trip flights from its To
131 MaverickM11 : There's no mention of CAN in the PR, which would lead me to believe it's being axed.
132 Transpac787 : No. It will arrive in SEA, and then do a different flight, LHR, AMS, or NRT.
133 MAH4546 : No, they can't change all-cargo to passenger. Northwest is ending Guangzhou passenger flights.[Edited 2008-05-08 14:20:59]
134 Sxf24 : No other PEK or PVG routes are canceled. This is being launched with combination slots formerly used for cargo flights. By next March, NW will operate
135 B2443 : The why wait another 10 months? Kill CAN and start PEK before the Olympics?
136 PHXtoDCAtoMSP : So the recently announced extra flight between NRT & Saipan is using the slot from the ending of NRT-CAN? Can NW's cargo slots at NRT be used for eith
137 Transpac787 : When was this?? (not a sarcastic question, just wondering) Also don't forget NRT-TPE on 75X's, in addition to KIX-TPE on 744's still.
138 Nwab787techops : Was it the D.O.T's back-up flight for UAL's SFO-CAN?
139 CALMSP : which flight would they upgrade??? LHR does leave late at night.............but seems a bit odd for a 747-400 route.
140 Post contains links PHXtoDCAtoMSP : http://www.mvariety.com/?module=disp...aystory&story_id=11137&format=html http://www.pacificmagazine.net/news/...-air-to-fly-new-tokyo-saipan-route I
141 Jetjack74 : And some of you doubted me. Shame, shame.
142 Fflyerworld : Just another "feather in the cap" for the New Delta!!! Stay tuned folks... much more to come!!
143 ZL : This flight arrive at SEA and PEK both in the evening ... won't that severely limit the connections?
144 Transpac787 : As of yet, NW has not announced any route upgrades to 744, other than the temporary upgrade of NRT-PEK to 744 for the olympics, which will return to
145 Burnsie28 : No, from what I understand the Cargo and Passenger are two totally different permissions. No, they may change that morning hawaii flight back to an A
146 Transpac787 : SEA-PEK will be an A332. SEA-HNL has always been an A333, so that won't work unless they change HNL to 332.
147 GSPSPOT : Darn! I was hoping for HKG.
148 EVA777SEA : How? LAX and PDX traffic can easily be sent through SEA on what would be a 1 stop service. Unless I'm misinterpreting what you are saying. Now, you c
149 Mason : How is switching SEA-NRT to a 744 an upgrade? From what I understand, the 332 is a superior aircraft in terms of passenger comfort. True the 744 has m
150 Flighty : Yeah i had no idea NW and AS code share. Guess that helps both parties doesn't it. Also, i was surprised NW was able to cut the NRT-CAN and use that
151 Burnsie28 : thats new, I knew they were ending Cargo flights.
152 AlexInWa : Well I am surprised as well,.......very interesting that again we will have TWO carriers operating the same Asia service, In this case Delta/Northwest
153 Flyingcat : Is CAN service really ending or will NW reroute to another city? Aren't there some slots they leased out to other carriers they can get back?
154 Post contains links Nwab787techops : Approval of motion of United Air Lines, Inc. The Department grants United's request to further amend its startup deadline for San Francisco-Guangzhou
155 Flighty : Who has deeper pockets? id say the Chinese government has deeper pockets. But both will survive.
156 ER757 : Not exactly - SEA/PEK doesn't start til next year. Same thing I was wondering - which is why I predicted SEA/PVG in an earlier reply.
157 ZL : NW will launch DTW-PVG with 744 in March 09. 3 daily departure from PVG is too much.
158 ER757 : Aaaaahhhh - that makes sense, thanks for explaining
159 WorldTraveler : UA has 3 daily flights to PEK. I'm not sure why 3 daily filghts to PVG on DL is too much.
160 Post contains links Centrair : I am wondering this as well. Currently CAN is... HNL-NRT on a 744 NRT-CAN on a 757 From June SFO-NRT on an A332 NRT-CAN on a 757 Come next year....wh
161 RDUDDJI : Fair enough, but I'd wager to say that SFO, ORD and even IAD all have much higher N/S China demand than SEA, DTW and ATL. Other question, what does t
162 Post contains images B2443 :    Plus, PEK is a Star Alliance hub (CA, FM for connections). PVG is not a Skyteam hub (dominated by MU, FM, CA). Skyteam member CZ has limited pre
163 B2443 : hmm...I thought they had only got 27 frequencies and they are in use (NRT-PEK/PVG/CAN daily). Their cargo rights can not be used for pax.
164 AlexInWa : So Hainan is government controlled? I thought it was the largest private carrier in China?
165 Centrair : By next year NW will have DTW-PVG x7 SEA-PEK x7 NRT-PEK x7 NRT-PVG x7 NRT-CAN x7 That is 35! From the link in my post above on routes to China. Note
166 Panamair : No, the SFO-CAN authority granted to UA was part of a CAN-only designation. No one other than UA took up the offer so there really is no 'back-up'. H
167 PlaneGuy27 : The 2004 rights that NW used for NRT-CAN were just for PEK, CAN or PVG (Zone 1). These are NOT cargo frequencies. The UA 2008 award was specifically f
168 MAH4546 : Honestly, how many times does it have to repeated? Northwest is transferring their CAN frequencies which can be used for any flight between the USA a
169 United1 : Actually they will have 28 (not counting anything they might get form DL if that goes through.) DTW-PVG x7 SEA-PEK x7 NRT-PEK x7 NRT-PVG x7 NRT-CAN h
170 Centrair : So basically NW will kill NRT-CAN in favor of letting Skyteam partners KE and CZ carry pax from the US, ICN or NRT to the Pearl River. But at same tim
171 PSU.DTW.SCE : FCO didn't work for the same reasons NW can't do PRG - not having the right airplane to serve the route. They DC-10 & A330 were too much aircraft. Pl
172 EVA777SEA : And a codeshare with AS, who covers virtually all of the major cities in the area where most of the traffic to Asia comes from. (The West Coast). And
173 EMB170 : I thought they just flew SEA-EWR?
174 MaverickM11 : I bet SFO has more local demand than SEA, DTW, ORD, IAD, and ATL combined. DTW and ATL particularly are very small local markets to/from China and re
175 B752OS : Interesting, I was reading that oil COULD, key word, potentially rise to $200 a barrel in a couple of years.
176 B752OS : The fast that ATL relies on connecting traffic is no shock, the same could be said for their robust European and South America network.
177 STT757 : AS flies SEA-EWR, 2x daily.
178 MaverickM11 : True. The other problem with ATLPVG is that DL isn't well known in China by any means, and the connecting opportunities beyond ATL, coming from the d
179 WorldTraveler : DL flies JFKSEA 3X/day with 757s during the summer. They have a schedule that is strong enough to allow traffic to be feed between JFKSEA roundtrip to
180 B2443 : UA has delayed launching SFO-CAN for a year. By the same time next year, UA may launch SFO-CAN and NW will have already left CAN. But I think NW has
181 B752OS : To assume that DL could funnel people from JFK to Asia via SEA is a very tough call and probably will present a big challenge. JFK/EWR already has no
182 RwSEA : Well now that the REAL press release is out, this is exciting! Much more so than KIX would have been. Does anyone know where the 332 is coming from? S
183 STT757 : DL JFK-SEA 2 757s and 1 737-800. CO EWR-SEA 5 737-800 AS EWR-SEA 2 737-800 [Edited 2008-05-09 08:15:21][Edited 2008-05-09 08:18:29]
184 Panamair : Only on Tues/Sat. Other days - 3 757s.
185 Post contains links MOBflyer : I've started a thread with the official announcement as its topic. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3975454/
186 United1 : The issue isn't so much UA in LAX the issue is the Asian carries in LAX have the market virtually sealed up amongst themselves. A US carrier could br
187 B6WNQX : With NW dropping NRT-CAN, does anyone think they will start another route with the open NRT slot? Would they do another US-NRT or maybe do a NRT-BOM/D
188 WorldTraveler : And as has been noted, DL and NW combined serve a number of cities from SEA and even more can be added with a few more flights. It isn't hard to fill
189 BAW716 : At this rate, it will be there within 15 months, unless there is some kind of intervention on the part of governments to lower the price of crude oil
190 WorldTraveler : high oil prices will change the dynamics of a lot of industries but it won't kill them. There will still be a place for airlines - but it might take
191 PlanesNTrains : Yes, us pesky families. What vermin. College students? Ever heard of a bus? How did we sink this low? -Dave
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