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AA Applies For Add'l US-Russia Frequency Eff May09  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25741 posts, RR: 50
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

AA today applied with the DOT for one additional US-Russia frequency allocation effective May 2009 to allow for daily ORD-DME service which will run 6x per week this year.

There currently are 15 vacant US-Russia frequencies allocations available for US carriers. United Airlines applied for 7 of these yesterday for its proposed IAD-DME service commencing October 2007.

OST-2007-0021


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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2544 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7274 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
There currently are 15 vacant US-Russia frequencies allocations available for US carriers. United Airlines applied for 7 of these yesterday for its proposed IAD-DME service commencing October 2007.

You mean October 2008 right ?



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7046 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
AA today applied with the DOT for one additional US-Russia frequency allocation effective May 2009 to allow for daily ORD-DME service which will run 6x per week this year.

Did AA choose to only apply for 6x originally?



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25741 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7013 times:



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 1):
You mean October 2008 right ?

Yes guess I am behind the times.  Wow!

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
Did AA choose to only apply for 6x originally?

Yes in AA's original application for the service last fall, it only asked for 6 frequencies, while there were 28 available vacant at the time.



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3214 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7002 times:

Any bets on who will apply for the other frequencies??

I would have bet on NW DTW-SVO (on 330 or eventually 787), but with today's announcement of SEA-KIX on A332's they probably won't announce a new route for awhile yet.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6809 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 4):
Any bets on who will apply for the other frequencies??

There will be no rush at all for them.

However, in the long term future (2011-2012), I could see AA wanting to go for JFK-DME or MIA-DME, depending on various factors.



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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6611 times:

Does CO still hold their EWR-Moscow authority, or has it been relinquished?
I've heard rumors of US considering PHL-DME.



What now?
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7687 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6402 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
I could see AA wanting to go for JFK-DME or MIA-DME

I highly doubt DME is on AA's wishlist to serve from MIA any more than China is. I bet there are other destinations they would serve from MIA, DFW, ORD, and JFK first before we would see MIA-DME.



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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6224 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):

I highly doubt DME is on AA's wishlist to serve from MIA any more than China is. I bet there are other destinations they would serve from MIA, DFW, ORD, and JFK first before we would see MIA-DME.

I'll take MIA to MXP for 500 Alex! Please!!!!!!  Smile


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6170 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
I highly doubt DME is on AA's wishlist to serve from MIA any more than China is. I bet there are other destinations they would serve from MIA, DFW, ORD, and JFK first before we would see MIA-DME.

I think we're ignoring a key statement-

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
depending on various factors.

Good to see American try to go to daily. They ought to look at DFW-DME (oil & energy) as well.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7687 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6143 times:



Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 8):
I'll take MIA to MXP for 500 Alex! Please!!!!!!

I would definately imagine that MIA-Italy has to be up there.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6127 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):

I highly doubt DME is on AA's wishlist to serve from MIA any more than China is.

Russians have quickly eclipsed Italians as Miami's largest European community, and only New York City (obviously) has seen more Russian immigration since 1990 than Miami has (centered in Sunny Isles Beach, which is now nicknamed Little Moscow).

It's really not that far fetched to see AA flying MIA-DME in 2012-2015. We are talking a long, long time from now, anything can happen. And if the energy sector keeps booming, DFW-DME doesn't sound far fetched either, as Elmo noted. Both could make great 787 routes.



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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3294 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6113 times:

Perhaps US could be looking at them as well from PHL.


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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6077 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
However, in the long term future (2011-2012), I could see AA wanting to go for JFK-DME or MIA-DME, depending on various factors.

I really hope they go with DFW-DME, but I won't get too hopeful. On one hand, if SQ's IAH-DME doesn't work, that could be an opening for AA to get traffic on the route; on the other hand, if SQ can't pull it off, AA might not be able to either.



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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 733 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5726 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
I highly doubt DME is on AA's wishlist to serve from MIA any more than China is.

Been to Sunny Isles lately??  Smile

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):
I would definately imagine that MIA-Italy has to be up there.

I am still keeping my fingers crossed for MIA-MXP. I also think we will see either a second MIA-LHR or MIA-STN coming soon.

Long term there is a lot of European growth that AA can make work out of MIA.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7687 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5261 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Reply 14):
I also think we will see either a second MIA-LHR or MIA-STN coming soon.

A second MIA-LHR is a long time coming. As soon as they get the slots, Id imagine it would just about be a done deal. I doubt STN however.


Quoting AJMIA (Reply 14):
I am still keeping my fingers crossed for MIA-MXP

AA has to realize the potential for MIA-Italy. I was in Miami last week and was absolutely shocked at the amount of Italian I heard being spoken, particularly in Miami Beach. If I were AA, the next European routes I would introduce would be MIA-MXP and DFW-MAD.

Its a lovely city, by the way, even though its the most humid place on the face of the planet!  Wink

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 14):
Been to Sunny Isles lately??

Im not trying to say that MIA-DME wont happen, only that AA probably has other routes way ahead of it.



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User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1603 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4694 times:

The more US companies fly to Moscow - the better.

Many year exceptional position of Delta made its service medoicre, to say the least.
More competition will help.


User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 911 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

I would think AA would have better luck JFK-DME as a future to complement ORD. Most of the Russians in Miami come from NY........ JFK-MIA is full of Russians (And most in X at that!!-Full Fare Paying Customers too!!), terminating their trips in either city and not continuing on the DME or anywhere else for that matter. I am not randomly saying this...the partner woirks these flights and as early as this am on the 11:45am flight JFK-MIA, he called to say good bye, and I asked if X was full of Russians and he said yes!! As was Y

User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 733 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4367 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):
AA has to realize the potential for MIA-Italy. I was in Miami last week and was absolutely shocked at the amount of Italian I heard being spoken, particularly in Miami Beach. If I were AA, the next European routes I would introduce would be MIA-MXP and DFW-MAD.

I agree. MIA-MXP and DFW-MAD routes would be excellent additions to the route map.

I am seeing tons of Italians to FCO, MXP and various other cities IT via MAD and LHR.

I am also seeing a big increase in the number of AA to *AA(IB) connections over MAD. I assume DFW-MAD would be the same.

The next largest group of Europeans I am seeing are Finn's via LHR and CDG to HEL. If AY does not restart MIA-HEL AA should definately look into it.

Also seeing a lot of Turks to IST via JFK. I know at one point AA looked at MIA-IST. I think they could make that route work as well.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4308 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):
A second MIA-LHR is a long time coming. As soon as they get the slots, Id imagine it would just about be a done deal. I doubt STN however.

Though starting MIA-STN alleviates the problem faced with adding more premium capacity. MIA-LHR is the crown jewel of AA's Heathrow routes, the most profitable one they have, and that's because of the premium cabins. AA faces diluting yields by adding another frequency, but that won't be as big an issue with STN. My guess is that if any other AA station gets STN flights, it would be MIA.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):

AA has to realize the potential for MIA-Italy. I was in Miami last week and was absolutely shocked at the amount of Italian I heard being spoken, particularly in Miami Beach. If I were AA, the next European routes I would introduce would be MIA-MXP and DFW-MAD.

Here's hoping...

Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 17):
Most of the Russians in Miami come from NY........ JFK-MIA is full of Russians (And most in X at that!!-Full Fare Paying Customers too!!),

Problem is that this is a low-yield VFR market. Turkish flew MIA-IST until 9/11 with AA codeshare. If the market matures, I can see TK coming back, but I don't see AA entering the market. The Turkish community, which is coicidently centered in Sunny Isles with the Russian community, is growing quickly in South Florida.

Many Russians come from NY, but as of late they are coming from Russia itself. Russians represent the largest European immigrant group in Miami (as in they actually migrated from Russia; even though some might have come from NY). Italians are the second largest.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 18):
The next largest group of Europeans I am seeing are Finn's via LHR and CDG to HEL. If AY does not restart MIA-HEL AA should definately look into it.

Finnair already plans to resume MIA-HEL next year; 3x weekly A330. They will be at FLL this year in the interim.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 18):

Also seeing a lot of Turks to IST via JFK. I know at one point AA looked at MIA-IST. I think they could make that route work as well.

TK flew MIA-IST until 9/11 with AA* codeshare. The flights were always packed, but yield was a problem. It's a low-yield VFR market, though as the Turkish community in South Florida continues to grow (it has quickly become on of the largest in the country), maybe the market might mature in the future. Still, I don't see it as a good route for AA*. TK is better suited.



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4104 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
The next largest group of Europeans I am seeing are Finn's via LHR and CDG to HEL. If AY does not restart MIA-HEL AA should definately look into it.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Finnair already plans to resume MIA-HEL next year; 3x weekly A330. They will be at FLL this year in the interim.

Yes lot of Finns travel to Florida, the Lake Worth area has a large Finnish community.
So good to see AY back in MIA, I hope that works out next year. AY said they will turn back to the US markets, I hope it starts in MIA.


User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3959 times:



Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 6):
Does CO still hold their EWR-Moscow authority, or has it been relinquished?
I've heard rumors of US considering PHL-DME.

Highly Doubt US can pull off PHL-DME, Even though the NorthEastern neighborhood of Philadelphia is full of Russian immigrants, I think this route should be pulled through Frankfurt.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
I could see AA wanting to go for JFK-DME or MIA-DME

JFK-Moscow is totally under control I believe another flight might over due it actually. Aeroflot flies nearly empty economy class from October to April with flights starting at $450. Delta gets economy class as people still prefer to fly on a western airline because in Russia people who fly economy are not important. HAHA

I highly doubt DME is on AA's wishlist to serve from MIA any more than China is. I bet there are other destinations they would serve from MIA, DFW, ORD, and JFK first before we would see MIA-DME.

You are 150% wrong, I think AA made a mistake starting DME from ORD instead of MIA. You have no idea how many Russians live in Miami and how many REAL RUSSIANS (MOSCOW RUSSIANS) own condos in Miami there. They are the new South Americans in Miami buying up everything left and right. Miami is a hot spot for Russians right now and all of them have FORTUNESSSSSSSSSSS in Moscow. Big Bucks Route. Business Class would be filled 100% each flight.

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Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):

I highly doubt DME is on AA's wishlist to serve from MIA any more than China is.

Russians have quickly eclipsed Italians as Miami's largest European community, and only New York City (obviously) has seen more Russian immigration since 1990 than Miami has (centered in Sunny Isles Beach, which is now nicknamed Little Moscow).

It's really not that far fetched to see AA flying MIA-DME in 2012-2015. We are talking a long, long time from now, anything can happen. And if the energy sector keeps booming, DFW-DME doesn't sound far fetched either, as Elmo noted. Both could make great 787 routes.[/

Yep, Sunny Isles Beach is the Brighton Beach of Miami now. Is this route not doable with a 767?

Delta is enjoying ATL-SVO for this one reason. probably around 25% of the flight is going to Miami. Check AirFrance & Lufthansa to see connecting passengers to Miami from Paris & Frankfurt.

AA would have an advantage from Miami they could market the Miami flight in Russia with connecting passengers to South America, Exotic destinations where many Russians are traveling now, Just not enough to fill flights from Russia directly.

Many Russians would enjoy traveling through Miami because then they would be able to spend a couple of days there and then go to South America. Russians find Miami very cheap because of the Dollar.


User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3947 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 9):
Good to see American try to go to daily. They ought to look at DFW-DME (oil & energy) as well.



Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 17):
I would think AA would have better luck JFK-DME as a future to complement ORD. Most of the Russians in Miami come from NY........ JFK-MIA is full of Russians (And most in X at that!!-Full Fare Paying Customers too!!), terminating their trips in either city and not continuing on the DME or anywhere else for that matter. I am not randomly saying this...the partner woirks these flights and as early as this am on the 11:45am flight JFK-MIA, he called to say good bye, and I asked if X was full of Russians and he said yes!! As was Y

I would like for you to understand that in the Tri-State Area of New York City you have 1.2 Million immigrants from the former Soviet Union. Most of them are Jewish. 65% are from what now is Ukraine and not Russia.

In the past 8-9 Years (Russian Speaking) New Yorkers started buying up properties in Miami. and now you have both New Yorkers and Russians, Kazakhs, Ukrainians directly from the other side of the world. There are more real Russians in Miami then there are in New York. Brighton Beach is not called Little Russia or Little Moscow it is called Little Odessa.

Sunny Isles Beach is now called Little Moscow because of the high concentration of people coming to Miami not to live but for second, third and fourth homes. 95% of all the Russian businesses in Sunny Isles and all over Miami are owned by Russian Speaking immigrants from New York and not by the Russians from Moscow. The Russians that are in Miami are all Multi-Multi-Multi Millionaires and Billionaires with massive amounts of cash to spend, Plus in Miami they can more freely spend there excess cash without anyone watching what they are doing. Now, Russians from Moscow do not fly through New York to connect to Miami. They fly through Atlanta, Paris & Frankfurt.

The Russian Speaking people you speak about that travel to New York are people that immigrated in the 70s, 80s & 90s. that travel back and fourth between New York and Miami. Go stand one day at the Jetblue terminal and look at all the flights landing from Fort Lauderdale. I know because I am one of them!


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

JFK787NYC - I hear what you're saying, and understand it. In fact, I've learned a lot.

But I definitely do not agree that MIA-DME would have been a better market for AA, at least for now, for several reasons:

1) O&D - Miami may have a large amount of business traffic and growing personal and commercial ties with Russia, but I doubt that it is, today at least, enough O&D to sustain an entire daily 777 flight, especially considering that Miami's location makes it very poor for connections, which leads me to point #2...

2) Connections - While Miami may have more O&D traffic to Moscow/Russia than Chicago - though it may not, not sure - Chicago offers massive amounts more connections that Miami does because of where it is located. From Moscow, a person can connect in Chicago to dozens of cities across the United States

3) Aircraft - having a flight Miami-Moscow would likely have required more than one 777, whereas Chicago-Moscow will only need a single 777 that will simply be swapped out in Chicago with another aircraft coming from and going to somewhere else (probably Heathrow). AA doesn't have the spare capacity to dedicate more than one plane to a brand new route/market like Moscow at the moment

I agree with MAH4546 - in the long-run, once 787s arrive, AA may well look at doing a MIA-DME nonstop flight, but at the moment, I think Chicago was definitely the way to go - because of the at least decent O&D, massive amount of connections, lack of competition, and aircraft scheduling considerations.


User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 911 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3890 times:



Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 22):
I would like for you to understand that in the Tri-State Area of New York City you have 1.2 Million immigrants from the former Soviet Union. Most of them are Jewish. 65% are from what now is Ukraine and not Russia.

In the past 8-9 Years (Russian Speaking) New Yorkers started buying up properties in Miami. and now you have both New Yorkers and Russians, Kazakhs, Ukrainians directly from the other side of the world. There are more real Russians in Miami then there are in New York. Brighton Beach is not called Little Russia or Little Moscow it is called Little Odessa.

Sunny Isles Beach is now called Little Moscow because of the high concentration of people coming to Miami not to live but for second, third and fourth homes. 95% of all the Russian businesses in Sunny Isles and all over Miami are owned by Russian Speaking immigrants from New York and not by the Russians from Moscow. The Russians that are in Miami are all Multi-Multi-Multi Millionaires and Billionaires with massive amounts of cash to spend, Plus in Miami they can more freely spend there excess cash without anyone watching what they are doing. Now, Russians from Moscow do not fly through New York to connect to Miami. They fly through Atlanta, Paris & Frankfurt.

The Russian Speaking people you speak about that travel to New York are people that immigrated in the 70s, 80s & 90s. that travel back and fourth between New York and Miami. Go stand one day at the Jetblue terminal and look at all the flights landing from Fort Lauderdale. I know because I am one of them!

Excellent explanation, and TRUE snapshot of Russian Immigration. Couldn't agree more.


25 JFK787NYC :
26 Commavia : AA is even shorter on 767s than 777s. Again, because that market could not today support a daily 767. Not yet. Miami-Russia may be big, but again, I
27 JFK787NYC : Why do you believe American can't gain connecting passengers to South America? Everyone who connects from Russia to South America and the Islands mus
28 AABB777 : Originally the route was going to be operated with a 763, however I believe that for financial reasons, the equipment was changed to a 772. AA 763 pi
29 Post contains links MAH4546 : Miami cannot sustain a daily flight to Moscow on pure O&D. They can handle 3-4x weekly easily. However, since most of the traffic is Russian, they are
30 LAXdude1023 : The question is do you? The largest amount of millionaires in the world is in North America, not Europe or Russia. There are approximately 38,000 Mil
31 MAH4546 : It shouldn't be a priority, but the local market is big enough. And unlike Seattle and San Francisco, the Russian community in South Florida tends to
32 1337Delta764 : And actually, Delta's ATL-SVO route was recently upgraded from a 767-300ER to a 767-400ER, and current schedules show a 764ER on the route from now t
33 B752OS : Why wasn't SU able to make SEA-SVO work? Poor yields? Or was the aircraft needed elsewhere? While times are good in Moscow and several large commerci
34 Post contains links MAH4546 : Yields, probably. It might be, but I'm pretty sure Moscow has the largest concentration of millionaires in the world; and only New York City has more
35 Addd : Absolutely not true - a Russian citizen (or, for that matter, citizen of any other country that requires visas to the US) flying from Moscow to Medel
36 JFK787NYC : The largest concentration of multi millionaires in the United States is Palm Beach County Florida not California. AND MOSCOW DOES HAVE THE LARGEST CO
37 Post contains links LAXdude1023 : Nope youre wrong. The top Five Counties (in terms of population of millionaires) in the US are as Follows: 1) Los Angeles County, CA 2) Cook County,
38 MAH4546 : No it doesn't. Concentration is based on density, not raw numbers. Given that Palm Beach ranks No. 9 for number of millionaires in the U.S, yet has r
39 Tsaord : I was wondering why I hardly hear about US-Russia flights. Then today AA has a big bill board coming into ORD for the ORD-DME flight.
40 LACA773 : Speaking of Los Angeles how does SU's five weekly flights to Moscow perform? Is it high yielding?
41 JFK787NYC : SU Makes a killing on most of the international flights via Business Class, Most flights are booked 100%. But, I have heard that SU's Economy class i
42 AA767400 : Great. It is considered rude to write in all caps. It means that you are shouting. I understand that you are a proud Russian, but you are laying it o
43 Post contains links JFK787NYC : http://www.forbes.com/businessbillio...illies-cz_cv_0430billiecities.html Despite all the squabbling between New York and London for bragging rights,
44 Post contains links JFK787NYC : http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/1009/42/362231.htm Marketing Florida Condos to Moscow's Elite 22 April 2008By Anatoly Medetsky / Staff WriterAt
45 SFO2SVO : It was flown SVO-SEA-SFO on a 777. SU gave up both 777s (too expensive lease for 2 unique birds in the fleet). And they could get 767 full enough wit
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