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All Flights To EZE On AA Canceled Today (May 8)  
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7497 posts, RR: 24
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8280 times:

I was looking through the schedules and all the flights to EZE are canceled tonight on AA. Why?


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User currently offlineAnetter123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8237 times:

Volcanic ash from that massive eruption that happened in Chile a few days ago and still continues. The winds have carried the ash all the way across Argentina.

User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3146 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7729 times:

AA and UA are the only ones to have canceled flights in and out of EZE. So, I guess this means no flights till Sunday.


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User currently offlineAguslamm From Argentina, joined Apr 2008, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7385 times:

Is this a visibility problem or is there any danger with the ashes and engines?

User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7316 times:

Probably not a good idea to mix ash and jet engines. Makes me think of BA 9...


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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7243 times:



Quoting Aguslamm (Reply 3):
Is this a visibility problem or is there any danger with the ashes and engines?

Probably the latter. There have been some hair incidents involving jets ingesting super-heated volcanic ash. AA and UA did the right thing canceling their flights, it's better to ground flights than play chicken with mother nature.


User currently offlineAguslamm From Argentina, joined Apr 2008, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6665 times:

The ashes are far from being super-heated. They come from 1,000 miles south and have not even reached Buenos Aires. All other airlines are flying normally and made it on time. Maybe too drastic to cancel all flights, or the others are being irresponsible.

User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6401 times:
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Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):
AA and UA are the only ones to have canceled flights in and out of EZE

So CO, DL, and others continued to fly yesterday? Maybe AA and UA used the quality of air to save some fuel cost.


User currently offlineTXKF2010 From Bermuda, joined Nov 2005, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6055 times:



Quoting Aguslamm (Reply 3):
Is this a visibility problem or is there any danger with the ashes and engines?

Volcanic ash + moisture = a cement like substance



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User currently offlineLVHGEL From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5701 times:

Your answer can be found here:

http://www.geo.mtu.edu/department/classes/ge404/gcmayber/engine.html

Volcanic ash in any composition is not compatible with Jet Engines.


User currently offlineAguslamm From Argentina, joined Apr 2008, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5388 times:



Quoting LVHGEL (Reply 9):

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User currently offlinePU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

Right, visibility is not a big deal, engines and ashes are a big deal they don't get along very well !

User currently offlineWestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4482 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 7):
Maybe AA and UA used the quality of air to save some fuel cost.

I think you're probably right, if it's just AA and UA that cancelled flights.

I understand all the posts about the dangers of flying with ash, but like one post mentions there is no ash in the EZE area right now and this appears to be reinforced by the stated fact that all the other airlines are still flying into and out of there...



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4420 times:



Quoting Western727 (Reply 12):
I think you're probably right, if it's just AA and UA that cancelled flights.



Quoting FXramper (Reply 7):
So CO, DL, and others continued to fly yesterday? Maybe AA and UA used the quality of air to save some fuel cost.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h...CGT4X37OvMVvC6CA6UaDMeriAD90GCA380

The ash cloud reached the Atlantic and was over Buenos Aires. AA/UA did the right thing (responsible?) to not even have planes in the sky there. It's a danger that the airlines can't afford.

Also, consider this. Every flight that AA/UA offers to EZE sits on the ground all day. In 6-8 hours, volcanic ash can move fast. Better have your planes not fly to Buenos Aires in the first place if they might get grounded. AA would have 4 or 5 aircraft stuck on the ground if EZE was shut down. I also imagine that the volcanic plumes cuts directly into the flight path to EZE. Flying around the plume is going to be costly (from the looks of the satellite photo flights from DFW and ORD would have to fly much farther east than a straight line), and AA/UA don't want to foot the bill for the extra bill - just my 2 cents.


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

A lot of flights operating normally, but southbound (MDQ, BHI, BRC, EQS, REL), many have been cancelled these last two days (by all airlines). The skies are clear here but more grey than blue, as though there was a thick smog. Not so much at ground level, but higher-up seems to be a problem.

The 2nd time in a month BA has had air problems--first the smoke, now the ash!

Saludos,

ZXV



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32604 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

AA's early MIA-EZE departure departed tonight; second departure is on-time. AR and 4M's MIA-EZE flights also operating today; as is AA's MIA-MVD departure.


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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4133 times:



Quoting PU752 (Reply 11):
Right, visibility is not a big deal, engines and ashes are a big deal they don't get along very well

Wasn't there a close call some time ago when a BA 747 flew into volcanic ash and lost all 4 engines? I think it was over Indonesia ...



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3146 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4127 times:



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 16):
Wasn't there a close call some time ago when a BA 747 flew into volcanic ash and lost all 4 engines? I think it was over Indonesia ...

BA 9... a 747-200.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
AA's early MIA-EZE departure departed tonight; second departure is on-time. AR and 4M's MIA-EZE flights also operating today; as is AA's MIA-MVD departure.

Thanks for the heads-up, Mark.



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