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All Flights To EZE On AA Canceled Today (May 8)  
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8923 times:

I was looking through the schedules and all the flights to EZE are canceled tonight on AA. Why?

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User currently offlineAnetter123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8880 times:

Volcanic ash from that massive eruption that happened in Chile a few days ago and still continues. The winds have carried the ash all the way across Argentina.

User currently offlineMD11junkie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8372 times:

AA and UA are the only ones to have canceled flights in and out of EZE. So, I guess this means no flights till Sunday.

User currently offlineAguslamm From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8028 times:

Is this a visibility problem or is there any danger with the ashes and engines?

User currently offlineEMB170 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7959 times:

Probably not a good idea to mix ash and jet engines. Makes me think of BA 9...

User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7886 times:



Quoting Aguslamm (Reply 3):
Is this a visibility problem or is there any danger with the ashes and engines?

Probably the latter. There have been some hair incidents involving jets ingesting super-heated volcanic ash. AA and UA did the right thing canceling their flights, it's better to ground flights than play chicken with mother nature.


User currently offlineAguslamm From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7308 times:

The ashes are far from being super-heated. They come from 1,000 miles south and have not even reached Buenos Aires. All other airlines are flying normally and made it on time. Maybe too drastic to cancel all flights, or the others are being irresponsible.

User currently offlineFXramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7044 times:
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Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):
AA and UA are the only ones to have canceled flights in and out of EZE

So CO, DL, and others continued to fly yesterday? Maybe AA and UA used the quality of air to save some fuel cost.


User currently offlineTXKF2010 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6698 times:



Quoting Aguslamm (Reply 3):
Is this a visibility problem or is there any danger with the ashes and engines?

Volcanic ash + moisture = a cement like substance


User currently offlineLVHGEL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6344 times:

Your answer can be found here:

http://www.geo.mtu.edu/department/classes/ge404/gcmayber/engine.html

Volcanic ash in any composition is not compatible with Jet Engines.


User currently offlineAguslamm From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6031 times:



Quoting LVHGEL (Reply 9):

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User currently offlinePU752 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5967 times:

Right, visibility is not a big deal, engines and ashes are a big deal they don't get along very well !

User currently offlineWestern727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5125 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 7):
Maybe AA and UA used the quality of air to save some fuel cost.

I think you're probably right, if it's just AA and UA that cancelled flights.

I understand all the posts about the dangers of flying with ash, but like one post mentions there is no ash in the EZE area right now and this appears to be reinforced by the stated fact that all the other airlines are still flying into and out of there...


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5063 times:



Quoting Western727 (Reply 12):
I think you're probably right, if it's just AA and UA that cancelled flights.



Quoting FXramper (Reply 7):
So CO, DL, and others continued to fly yesterday? Maybe AA and UA used the quality of air to save some fuel cost.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h...CGT4X37OvMVvC6CA6UaDMeriAD90GCA380

The ash cloud reached the Atlantic and was over Buenos Aires. AA/UA did the right thing (responsible?) to not even have planes in the sky there. It's a danger that the airlines can't afford.

Also, consider this. Every flight that AA/UA offers to EZE sits on the ground all day. In 6-8 hours, volcanic ash can move fast. Better have your planes not fly to Buenos Aires in the first place if they might get grounded. AA would have 4 or 5 aircraft stuck on the ground if EZE was shut down. I also imagine that the volcanic plumes cuts directly into the flight path to EZE. Flying around the plume is going to be costly (from the looks of the satellite photo flights from DFW and ORD would have to fly much farther east than a straight line), and AA/UA don't want to foot the bill for the extra bill - just my 2 cents.


User currently offlineLVZXV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4975 times:

A lot of flights operating normally, but southbound (MDQ, BHI, BRC, EQS, REL), many have been cancelled these last two days (by all airlines). The skies are clear here but more grey than blue, as though there was a thick smog. Not so much at ground level, but higher-up seems to be a problem.

The 2nd time in a month BA has had air problems--first the smoke, now the ash!

Saludos,

ZXV


User currently offlineMAH4546 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4845 times:

AA's early MIA-EZE departure departed tonight; second departure is on-time. AR and 4M's MIA-EZE flights also operating today; as is AA's MIA-MVD departure.

User currently offlineEZEIZA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4776 times:



Quoting PU752 (Reply 11):
Right, visibility is not a big deal, engines and ashes are a big deal they don't get along very well

Wasn't there a close call some time ago when a BA 747 flew into volcanic ash and lost all 4 engines? I think it was over Indonesia ...


User currently offlineMD11junkie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4770 times:



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 16):
Wasn't there a close call some time ago when a BA 747 flew into volcanic ash and lost all 4 engines? I think it was over Indonesia ...

BA 9... a 747-200.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
AA's early MIA-EZE departure departed tonight; second departure is on-time. AR and 4M's MIA-EZE flights also operating today; as is AA's MIA-MVD departure.

Thanks for the heads-up, Mark.


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