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Unions Ready To Shoot Down UA/US Merger.  
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7894 times:
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UA should have canned Tilton when the board voted last. This proposed merger is rubbish and the union knows so. Another CEO wants to get paid at the expense of the employees. Comments welcome.

  


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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7894 times:

Well I'm not surprised - how dare UA try to merge with itself !

(check your title  Smile )


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7876 times:
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Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):

Haha, thanks J.



 yes 


User currently offlineUnitedNRT From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7878 times:

They use the word "powerful" and "union" in the same sentence? Ask IAM-rep'd people if they've talked to Canale(aka, the Snake), he's nowhere to be found at parts of ORD....but I digress. Pardon my comment.

[Edited 2008-05-09 01:14:43]


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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7751 times:

Putting the head into the sand and crying NO does not help. United and US both need to significatly reduce costs. Since currently kerosine is the major cost factor, this means cutting many flights, using the effient larger models they have (A320,A321 mainly domestic ) with very high load factors. This also means to close on airports that don't bring profits, and reducing manpower. A merger can be one little help on this way, and they either make many steps that hurt much more, or fill the history books.

User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7057 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7704 times:



Quoting Burkhard (Reply 4):
Since currently kerosine is the major cost factor, this means cutting many flights, using the effient larger models they have (A320,A321 mainly domestic ) with very high load factors

In this case, why can't either of them do this individually, because they continue to be like the Jones's????
I remember times a few years ago when the problem with airlines was the high employee cost due to unions and if those could be reduced, all would be well with the industry. Well they found loop holes in US Bankruptcy laws and away they went, however, some other ugly thing raised it head and now they have another problem, high fuel cost.

Plan now seems to be to merge with someone else, my thinking on this is that if you merge with someone in your sphere of operations, when you reduce flights, capacity etc to curb your fuel cost, no one else will come in and increase capacity, flight etc and cause you to want to emulate them???, however, based on the current mergers being pushed, they are not merging to eliminate competition, and since they cannot legislate the LCC's out of the market, I have yet to understand how it will work, because I am taking them at face value being honest when they say no closures or hub etc as in the DL/NW plans, these are honest campers right?


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7589 times:

The unions can't "shoot down" the deal.

They can throw sand in the gears, slow/bog it down, and make life absolutely miserable for the combined company's management and customers.

But the reality is - as the recent history of airline-union relations in this country shows - unions no longer actually have the power to stop things they don't like. Sooner or later, the company will either get what it wants or go out of business.


User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7550 times:

It doesn't matter what the unions want. With the price of oil and the economy going as they are, my bet is that 25-35% of all the workers will be out of a job by January/March of next year.

The companies need to resize or merge. Either way, a lot of people are going to the unemployment lines in the next year across the US ariline industry.



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User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7508 times:

Will we be seeing "Keep United My United" buttons in the next few weeks??  Big grin  duck 


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7477 times:



Quoting EMB170 (Reply 8):
Will we be seeing "Keep United My United" buttons in the next few weeks?

I'm not so sure.

I think there are plenty of United employees who would happily embrace a change, as well as many customers, too.

Now, if the alternative would be being managed by Doug Parker, I'm sure all the unions and customers would happily do all they could to keep United "their United" as opposed to Tempefied United a la the new USAirways.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7329 times:
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Quoting Commavia (Reply 9):
United employees who would happily embrace a change,

Can Tilton.

Where are those articles about UA and if they can't find a dance partner they'll sell off parts of the airline.  no 


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7290 times:

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
UA should have canned Tilton when the board voted last.






That has killed UA and I know that would make the employees happy.

According to my mom and the AFA Union tape, IF Glenn merges w/ US, he and USAir's CEO, they would file bankruptcy right off the start and that way they could void ALL the union contracts!

Glenn and Jake need someone to step in and stop, but don't look at the investors, since they are the ones that were
going to give Glenn a 30 million Bonus if he merged UAL into CO. This money comes right off the employees back.

Makes me to think that even an AMAZING CEO deserves that kind if money. No one is worth that much money or even what Glenn has made right now since he became CEO of UA.

But the sad thing is people in the CEO world like Glenn the  butthead  but almost no one likes him on the employee front, thats for sure!

[Edited 2008-05-09 08:22:16]

User currently offlineAA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7251 times:

They don't need to cut costs, they need to increase revenue. My food costs have increased dramatically in the past couple of years, why should airfares stay at unprofitable levels? TC


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User currently offlineGabrielz From United States of America, joined May 2004, 74 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7194 times:



Quoting AA717driver (Reply 12):
They don't need to cut costs, they need to increase revenue. My food costs have increased dramatically in the past couple of years, why should airfares stay at unprofitable levels? TC

That, more than anything is what's driving merger talk.

Historically, mergers have been about rationalization and cost control. In this round of Airline merger discussions in the US, the biggest "asset" is price control. If more capacity comes under the control of a single company, there are far fewer anti-trust issues with manipulating the price...and that's the reason why these mergers are supposed to come under scrutiny from the Justice Department in the first place.

Consider, if the combined UA/US controlled 75% of the available seat capacity in Washington, and DCA was not expandable, and IAD has no more slots, and BWI is unappealing, what kind of price leverage would they have in the region?

In a contracting economic environment, it will also be difficult for new entrants (and existing players) to raise the capital needed to compete (aircraft, gates, marketing, etc), so the level of competition in the US skies will decline dramatically in the next couple of years.

And when it does, the primary change will be a dramatic increase in airline revenues, not so on the cost side. The rationale is very sound. This is the cycle of (the airline) business.



User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7146 times:



Quoting EMB170 (Reply 8):
Will we be seeing "Keep United My United" buttons in the next few weeks??

No, but you might see "Come Back CO, We Still Love You" buttons.



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2240 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7084 times:



Quoting AA717driver (Reply 12):
why should airfares stay at unprofitable levels?

They shouldn't. Blame oil, blame the competition, blame 911, blame the government, but if you aren't going to charge what your product cost to produce............

Quoting AA717driver (Reply 12):
they need to increase revenue

Obvious to everyone but the CEOs.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
go out of business

This would help the airline business. Several should have gone already, and would have if the market place had been left alone.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7080 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 15):
This would help the airline business. Several should have gone already, and would have if the market place had been left alone.

You're preaching to the choir on that one - in least in my case.

I agree completely that blame for the situation we are in today - and the state of the U.S. airline industry - lay squarely at the foot of the U.S. government, like with most major problems are country faces (healthcare, etc.).

Had the government just gotten out of the damn way and let the market take its course - we would today have an industry far closer to equilibrium - with fewer airlines, fewer seats out there, and higher fares, yes - and also far better able to sustain the astronomically highly energy prices in this country (also, not coincidentally, largely by fault of the government's ineptitude and inaction).

Disgusting.


User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7052 times:
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Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 11):
According to my mom and the AFA Union tape, IF Glenn merges w/ US, he and USAir's CEO, they would file bankruptcy right off the start and that way they could void ALL the union contracts!

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I was under the impression that the law was changed following Frank Lorenzo's union busting bankruptcy at CO, so that Chapter 11 could not be used to bust unions in the future.



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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7004 times:

I suspect you'd have to prove "union busting." Remember, when UA went into bankruptcy the contracts did get tossed. Same thing at Delta as I recall. If my recall is wrong, please correct. But remember, once the company is in bankruptcy and is re - organized, stock re issued, etc, the old company with whom the contract was made doesn't exist.

As to a merger, I guess they could "stop" a merger by striking, but I can't see an option other than that. That said, if a merger were to happen, what could they do? Not show up to work? Strike? The practical options are somewhat limited.

Dave



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User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6966 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 16):
Had the government just gotten out of the damn way and let the market take its course

So it's the government's fault! Aha!! What was deregulation if not government getting out of the way? Since deregulation the airlines have become terribly inefficient behemoths, providing ever worse service to their customers.

You blame unions or the government for all the problems. Maybe it's just bad management. Southwest airlines (which basically exists because of deregulation BTW, is heavily unionised and very successful. Why? It's well managed.

BTW, we probably agree on one thing - Ch. 11 has not been good for the industry. Unhealthy companies need to go away, not be given a free ride while their better run competitors have to play on a different playing field. Bankruptcy laws probably serve some good, but have been grossly abused by most major airlines in the past 7 years.



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6919 times:



Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 19):
Quoting Commavia (Reply 16):
Had the government just gotten out of the damn way and let the market take its course

So it's the government's fault! Aha!! What was deregulation if not government getting out of the way? Since deregulation the airlines have become terribly inefficient behemoths, providing ever worse service to their customers.

His reference is in respect to the post 9-11 bailouts I would guess. Had the markets been allowed to take their course one or two of the majors would no longer be with us and a large portion of the US markets airline issues would be solved. Deregulation, while something I agree wholeheartedly with, was also handled EXTREMELY poorly but the US government at the time and resulted in un-necessary deaths of many airlines (either directly or indirectly), by un-evenly opening the playing field (even when getting out of the way the government couldn't help but meddle).



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17339 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6922 times:



Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
This proposed merger is rubbish and the union knows so.

Can you blame them? This is a terrible merger. The only way it would work is if you effectively merge with US and then shut US down. Unions also know, in spite of all the rules regarding mergers and talk of "brotherhood" and "union", the instant they merge they'll try to change all the rules and back stab each other all the way up and down the seniority list.



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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7057 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6852 times:



Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 20):
His reference is in respect to the post 9-11 bailouts I would guess. Had the markets been allowed to take their course one or two of the majors would no longer be with us and a large portion of the US markets airline issues would be solved. Deregulation, while something I agree wholeheartedly with, was also handled EXTREMELY poorly but the US government at the time and resulted in un-necessary deaths of many airlines (either directly or indirectly), by un-evenly opening the playing field (even when getting out of the way the government couldn't help but meddle

Except that most airlines did not get bail outs, those who were abusing the laws - UA - was denied and unless I am mistaken, all the funds which were Govt. guranteed loans were actually re-paid, so either the airlines recovered enough to make some money or they were able to convince some other investor to loan them funds to pay off the loans. I think his comment is more towards the Chpt. 11 laws, guess he will have clarify.

Cheers


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6829 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 18):
I suspect you'd have to prove "union busting." Remember, when UA went into bankruptcy the contracts did get tossed. Same thing at Delta as I recall. If my recall is wrong, please correct. But remember, once the company is in bankruptcy and is re - organized, stock re issued, etc, the old company with whom the contract was made doesn't exist.

None of UAs or DLs contracts were tossed during BK, all were renegotiated, but that was done consensually with the unions. You can make a case that UA/DL or NW would have tried to have the contracts voided in BK if they didn't get the concessions that they wanted but that didn't happen.

Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 11):
Glenn and Jake need someone to step in and stop, but don't look at the investors, since they are the ones that were
going to give Glenn a 30 million Bonus if he merged UAL into CO. This money comes right off the employees back.

Makes me to think that even an AMAZING CEO deserves that kind if money. No one is worth that much money or even what Glenn has made right now since he became CEO of UA.

The funny thing is most CEOs have agreements in there employment contracts that if they sell or merge with a company they get a rather large payday. Larry's at COs "bonus" is just slightly smaller if I remember right. It seems to me its just the cost of doing business these days the CEO that leaves is going to make a buck.

Quoting Davescj (Reply 18):
As to a merger, I guess they could "stop" a merger by striking, but I can't see an option other than that.

They can't as long as they are under contract, and as they are covered under the railway labor act its even harder for them to do so if they choose. The Unions also know that striking would be like shooting themselves in the foot.

It's hard to tell on this how much of this is a legitimate fear and how much of this is just positioning by the unions to get in on the action. The one thing that I always keep in mind in dealing with any company and union is that they are going to spin the situation there own way, you almost never get the entire truth from either party. Sometimes the best way to look at a situation is to learn about both sides position and assume the truth is somewhere in the middle, your right more often then not.

Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 11):
According to my mom and the AFA Union tape, IF Glenn merges w/ US, he and USAir's CEO, they would file bankruptcy right off the start and that way they could void ALL the union contracts!

See thats what I hate about the unions, more often then not they seem to try to incite a riot or spread rumors or cause paranoia amongst there members. I saw the IAM do that so many times when my dad worked for UA, sometimes it just got to be stupid. I'm part of a union and I'm not anti union by any stretch of the imagination but I firmly believe that the way a union needs to work is to present un-biased facts to their members and let them make the decisions. They don't need to spread rumors or paranoia to get things done...



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13511 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6807 times:
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Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
This proposed merger is rubbish and the union knows so.

It ultimately doesn't matter what the unions think, though.

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 4):
Putting the head into the sand and crying NO does not help.

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I've gotta remember to use that line with our union shop stewards!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
The unions can't "shoot down" the deal.

They can throw sand in the gears, slow/bog it down, and make life absolutely miserable for the combined company's management and customers.

But the reality is - as the recent history of airline-union relations in this country shows - unions no longer actually have the power to stop things they don't like. Sooner or later, the company will either get what it wants or go out of business

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"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
25 United1 : UA wasn't abusing the laws, there were three submissions to the ATSB by UA the first two were denied because the ATSB didn't feel that UAs business p
26 Commavia : Yes, it is. Washington politicians and bureaucrats have done more damage to this industry than any other single force, by far. They have woefully und
27 Bmacleod : Whether they merge or not, one of the two isn't going to survive $126 crude. The arithmetic of the two companies balance sheet trying to survive while
28 Imapilotaz : Pray tell, if you know so much, do you suggest they raise revenues? Fares have been raised over $100 in the past 2 months, but they dont control pric
29 LAXintl : I would argue, if it were not for Tilton and his management team there would be no United today. Like it or not, they managed to steer the ship throu
30 Saab2000 : I won't argue with that. But I have a different take on the unions' roles. I do see what you mean though. Unions can definitely be their own worst en
31 Isitsafenow : I always thought you was pretty bright. We argree............ and oil at $125 a barrel- plus, is their screwup too. Seventy percent (70) of the oil a
32 Charlienorth : how dare you say the mating habits of caribou in some land NONE of will ever see are more important than our economy Most of the folks I know at UAL
33 Commavia : And for good reason: Continental is an exceptionally well-run airline with great managers who treat their great employees well. Paging Doug Parker?
34 MaverickM11 : Any group, union or otherwise, that isn't actively reducing costs or increasing revenues is not going to last long, especially now.
35 United1 : Who said anything about Doug Parker running the combined carrier? Tilton and Parker may both be out...
36 PHLBOS : FYI, WN recently extended their fuel hedge contracts (which were originally set to expire in 2009) through 2012.
37 Crewchief : That simply isn't true. The proof is that one airline, WN, charges more than their service costs to deliver and has more passengers than anyone else.
38 United1 : Yes they did but at higher prices then what they were paying before. WN is going to have to raise fares, and has been although not as frequently as o
39 Bicoastal : The Democrat party is bought and paid for by labor unions. They are the biggest special interest supporting Democrats. If they can stall this merger,
40 Commavia : That is a unique - almost entirely singularly unique - circumstance. Southwest is profitable and making money today, at the growth levels they have b
41 Post contains links PHLBOS : 2 to 3 years ago WN hedged fuel price was about $25/barrel vs. the market's $50-60/barrel. Presently, WN's rate is about $50/barrel vs. the market's
42 AirframeAS : Reminds me of HP/US CEO Doug Parker.... 'Nuff said..... But I do agree, however, that Tilton should have been canned long ago. Why this dude is still
43 Commavia : Yeah, but there is no way that the new fuel hedges they will be initiating will be at the same price points as the ones expiring. The new fuel hedges
44 PVD757 : It's time that the major players in the airline industry make a tough decision . These airlines try to be the airline for everyone and they have faile
45 PHLBOS : Will the hedge price be as cheap as it was in say 2003? No. Nowhere did I state that WN is paying the same dollar amount for fuel as they were a few
46 TN757Flyer : With oil looking as if there's not top in sight, if they don't do this quickly, BOTH may go visiting BK court soon. IMO, no matter how you cut this,
47 United1 : Fares don't need to rise by 500% they only need to go up by 15-20% in order for the market to correct itself, so even a small jump in airfare is goin
48 Commavia : Obviously, but something is better than nothing.
49 Baw716 : This attempt at merging with USAirways is a desperate attempt by Glenn Tilton to get out of United with his cashout. Worse, absent a merger, UA does n
50 SPREE34 : Raise prices oh brilliant one. Southwest and who ever else be damned. They don't possess the equipment to carry everyone on every route. Or do they,
51 BAW716 : There are things the major carriers can do to improve their financial situation, yet they refuse to do it because it puts them in a competitively risk
52 United1 : What do you base that on...union opposition? As you worked for UA at one point then you must be aware that UAs unions are rather "vocal" when it come
53 EA CO AS : From a financial perspective, it can be argued that over the last few years WN has really been an oil-futures trading company that just happens to fl
54 Jetdeltamsy : You are correct. Airlines that file bankruptcy must now receive permission from the bankruptcy court to cancel their contracts. Proven difficult to d
55 Mariner : They have a potential merger partner, Baw, the same one they've always had - US Airways. Both Mr. Tilton and Mr. Parker have been saying "we're ready
56 Lufthansa : I know they'd never approve it but I can't help thing that this would be the most productive hook up of the lot. A real lot of duplication can be don
57 Ptharris : Wow. So much truth. Well, then again, McDonald's did the same thing with their hamburger. Make little on one and just do it over and over again times
58 Davescj : I totally agree. That said, if the merger did go through, duplicate routes trimmed, how long before ORD was back up to over capacity? I think if the
59 Post contains links 777fan : Note the "updates" mentioned in this article from today's Chicago Tribune: - The new carrier will be HQ'd in Chicago (duh), but will be run by Parker
60 Davescj : Maybe they'll call WN and CO teams to run the new airline? Dave
61 777fan : No chance since it's unlikely that anyone from those carriers would leave their stable company to babysit this potential mess. Their best chance is t
62 Post contains links United1 : Well in fairness sake the guy who said this is incredibly anti-merger of any airline, he also states CO-Peoples Express, DL-Western and Northwest-Rep
63 FreequentFlier : A very good point. I don't know if a merger between US and UA can save them both, but I do question the wisdom of all these airline "experts" proclai
64 GALLEYSTEW : I hope the unions block the merger. It is a bad thing. The cost compasion of labor of LCC and legacy airlines is non existent nowadays. I make less pe
65 Malaysia : Atleast I know that TWA-OZARK was the best one in all
66 Mariner : It's a clever article - a beat-up containing almost no new information, and covering its bases left, right and center. On the one hand, Mr. Parker an
67 Goaliemn : I'm kinda surprised some of the larger carriers don't pull out of some of the WN dominated cities. Reduce capacity in those places. Raise the fares a
68 Malaysia : We should end all this madness and just get EK to buy out US and UA hence the mideast investment?
69 United1 : Anything is possible
70 777fan : Yeah, I noticed that too. As you pointed out, to their credit, the reporter hedged the article's position on almost every point but that alone makes
71 Gigneil : It doesn't need to save them both. It needs to take the best assets and employees from both, eliminate capacity and establish some pricing power in t
72 Davescj : Speaking of the US/HW merger, and the integration, how was it done? Used seniority for each airline, maintained in the new company? DId they do like T
73 Dispatchguy : I was around at UA for the first attempt at a UA/US lovefest, and it was the biggest fiasco I have seen in my short few years in the airline industry
74 PHLBOS : BOLD & CAPS added First of all that quote I posted was directly from the New York Times article. I bring that up because your response appears to be d
75 Crjflyer35 : Of course, this is a different "US" than it was last time...why does it seem everyone forgets the HP aspect of this situation?....
76 United1 : Not directing anything at you outside of the fact that you were the one who posted the article in order to make your point, I'm just stating that tha
77 Exaauadl : Dony UA unions have a vote on the board-
78 United1 : Two votes to be exact....
79 Rolo987 : Do US unions have any votes on their board?
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UA/US Merger = 29 New Intl Flts posted Sat Apr 22 2006 20:57:00 by DCAYOW
Q's On UA/US Merger, Metrojet, DCAir, UAS, Etc. posted Tue Mar 1 2005 00:30:08 by Lvkewlkid
UA/US Merger -- DC Air? posted Sun Jul 27 2003 02:52:31 by N670UW
Who Gives Order To Shoot Down Civilian Airliners? posted Thu Feb 13 2003 00:09:07 by Bobcat
Possible Al-qaida Plot To Shoot Down Airliners posted Thu Jun 13 2002 15:13:32 by Toda,Reisinger
Morgan Stanley's View On The UA- US Merger posted Wed Jun 27 2001 04:28:55 by United Airline
1 Year After UA Announces UA/US Merger posted Thu May 24 2001 01:07:23 by Jiml1126