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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1729 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2469 times:



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QATAR Airways CEO Akbar al-Baker said the airline was currently contemplating setting up its own low-cost carrier in the face of increasing competition from the region budget carrier sector.

“Launching a low-cost carrier is becoming a fashion now and we may soon join the fashion too… we will not be tying up with any low-cost airline. If the influx of low-cost carriers into the market is going to hurt my market share, yes, we will launch our own low-cost carrier,” al-Baker said, the newspaper quoted.

Currently there are three budget carriers that operate out of Qatar, including Sharjah-based Air Arabia, India’s Air India Express and Bahrain Air.

“A low-cost is not really low-cost in our region. And the model does not actually work in our region. But we will have to do something if my market share is hurt,” al-Baker said.
“Personally, I am still against the idea of a low-cost carrier. But joining the bandwagon would not be because I am for the idea.”

Source: http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topic...sion=1&template_id=57&parent_id=56

Seems that Al-Baker might join the LCC trail and launch it sometimes in the future--Perhaps when the new airport opens.


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User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

Oh when will this madness end?

Emirates want to set up an LCC so QR and Etihad too jump on the bandwagon,

Emirates orders A380s so QR and Etihad order A380s,

Emirates launches transatlantic flights so the other two are not far behind!!!

Seriously, the ME market is TINY in comparison to Europe, Asia, US etc etc. How in gods name can they justify all these airlines and developments? Greenpeace should not be badgering airlines in Europe, they should be going down to the ME and campaigning against these airlines needlessly wasting resources just for the sake of getting one over the neighbour!



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User currently offlineColombiano From Colombia, joined Oct 2006, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Why do Qatar Airways Keep copying Emirates for Godsake get an Identity !!!!


Emirates started services to Sao Paulo then Qatar Announced they will
same with Australia

well AtLeast EY has somehow an Identity which is superior service and new destinations which r not or weren't served by EK as Toronto , Brussels


i believe in the future only 1 will survive either EK or QR

and i dont think Qatar will be able to accomodate or support the huge Growth of Qatar Airways , Qatar is a very small nation unlike Dubai which is a Financial Center and also a Tourist Region


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2358 times:



Quoting Colombiano (Reply 2):
Emirates started services to Sao Paulo then Qatar Announced they will
same with Australia

And QR are yet to actually announce the flight....lots of talk.... but no action..... meanwhile EY are increasing there SYD services


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1729 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2357 times:



Quoting Colombiano (Reply 2):
Qatar is a very small nation unlike Dubai which is a Financial Center and also a Tourist Region

Qatar is a much larger nation than the emirate of Dubai. Moreoover, it is much richer!

Qatar is also becoming a financial center  Smile



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User currently offlineColombiano From Colombia, joined Oct 2006, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2339 times:



Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 4):
Qatar is a much larger nation than the emirate of Dubai. Moreoover, it is much richer

R u like serious ? Whats the population of Qatar ? 0.5 m ??

I have nothing against Qatar or Qatar Airways my point they need to get an identity for example :

EY good service
EK huge network and Transit


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1729 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2320 times:



Quoting Colombiano (Reply 5):
R u like serious ? Whats the population of Qatar ? 0.5 m ??

I am Qatari and I live in Dubai. I think I know more about my own country. Qatar's population is 1.5 millions and expected to grow considerably in recent years.

Quoting Colombiano (Reply 5):
I have nothing against Qatar or Qatar Airways my point they need to get an identity for example :

QR has an identity already.

EK followed the steps of other airlines like Singapore, Korean, United, American, ect.... to set up LCC. In no way, EK are pioneers inthe area of LCC. Moroover, EK even wanted to take the share of Air Arabia and Jazeera Airways!



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User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2919 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2269 times:



Quoting Colombiano (Reply 2):
well AtLeast EY has somehow an Identity which is superior service and new destinations which r not or weren't served by EK as Toronto , Brussels

QR serves IAD, TXL, MAD , CEB, SGN , EWR , NAG , DPS to which neither EY nor EK serve.

And Al - Baker clearly mentioned he is not in favour of starting an LCC but if the market share is dwindling , he has no choice.

Quoting Colombiano (Reply 5):
EY good service

That is subjective, EY has one of the most rude FA;s in the middle east. And in comparison IMO QR wins over EY. As I said that is my opinion.

Quoting Colombiano (Reply 2):
and i dont think Qatar will be able to accomodate or support the huge Growth of Qatar Airways , Qatar is a very small nation unlike Dubai which is a Financial Center and also a Tourist Region

 checkmark  Qatar Airways should maintain it's brand name rather than queuing for expansion.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16942 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2193 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 1):
Emirates want to set up an LCC so QR and Etihad too jump on the bandwagon,

Everyone on a.net complains about "armchair CEOs" but we have real life CEOs doing stupid things every day, and we can always count on two or three other CEOs following in their tracks. This would be one of those stupid things.



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User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2156 times:



Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 6):
Qatar's population is 1.5 millions and expected to grow considerably in recent years.

Out of interest, what percentage of that population are Qatari nationals?


User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2154 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 1):
Seriously, the ME market is TINY in comparison to Europe, Asia, US etc etc. How in gods name can they justify all these airlines and developments? Greenpeace should not be badgering airlines in Europe, they should be going down to the ME and campaigning against these airlines needlessly wasting resources just for the sake of getting one over the neighbour!

Have you been to Dubai or anywhere else in the Gulf? Have you read about the recent release about Emirates' 1billion + profit? The planes are not flying empty, the airports are not operating at minimum capacity, the cities are no empty. A low cost carrier is probably unnecessary for Qatar, but they probably think if they can develop it to start operations with EK's, that'd give them a plus over EK. And whats the problem? If it doesn't work, the aircraft will be operated by QR. No biggie. And about the Middle East being a "TINY" market, have you stopped recently to check how many connections between east and west pass through there? Your comment is not based on any facts.



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User currently offlineColombiano From Colombia, joined Oct 2006, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2119 times:



Quoting Ramzi (Reply 10):
Have you been to Dubai or anywhere else in the Gulf? Have you read about the recent release about Emirates' 1billion + profit? The planes are not flying empty, the airports are not operating at minimum capacity, the cities are no empty. A low cost carrier is probably unnecessary for Qatar, but they probably think if they can develop it to start operations with EK's, that'd give them a plus over EK. And whats the problem? If it doesn't work, the aircraft will be operated by QR. No biggie. And about the Middle East being a "TINY" market, have you stopped recently to check how many connections between east and west pass through there? Your comment is not based on any facts.

THATS SO RIGHT +++

i mean ppl keep saying that EK doesnt pay for fuel and they get the fuel for free which is totally wrong
1st of all Dubai is not A MAJOR PETROLEUM AREA
Thats AD and Al Ein

So yes the EK concept is working which is connecting pax from europe to asia
QR concept is also working but they need to stop copying other airlines in the region and get their own identity ok qatar fly to few cities which EK or EY doesnt but plz they just copy whatever EK does


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2082 times:



Quoting Colombiano (Reply 11):

i mean ppl keep saying that EK doesnt pay for fuel and they get the fuel for free which is totally wrong

What are you talking about? Of course they get free fuel. In fact, before they start a new destination, they always make sure there is either an oil pipeline from DXB to that city or they make sure the local government pays for their fuel. Smile



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User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Quoting Ramzi (Reply 10):
Have you been to Dubai or anywhere else in the Gulf? Have you read about the recent release about Emirates' 1billion + profit? The planes are not flying empty, the airports are not operating at minimum capacity, the cities are no empty. A low cost carrier is probably unnecessary for Qatar, but they probably think if they can develop it to start operations with EK's, that'd give them a plus over EK. And whats the problem? If it doesn't work, the aircraft will be operated by QR. No biggie. And about the Middle East being a "TINY" market, have you stopped recently to check how many connections between east and west pass through there? Your comment is not based on any facts.

Well now you mention it, Yes I have been to the ME. Infact I used to work for Qatar Airways and I currently regularly visit Doha, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait, Muscat, Bahrain and Riyadh.

The only destination that can perhaps handle all this is Dubai and at a push Abu Dhabi. EK is grand at what it does and is all thats needed. QR and EY only provide competition and as such are niche operations. The flights on some routes may be regularly full but what is the profit being made out of them? Are their yields paying off??? I would be very surprised if they were. Unfortunately however QR and EY refuse to release details of such nature and as a result are sitting on hand outs from the government...WHY? Because they can, lucky for them.

The population of the UAE is about 4.2 million...less then the population of Ireland. The population of Qatar is only 900000...not 1.5 as previously suggested by a qatari who lives in Dubai!!! HMMM!. The population of Oman is 2.2m. Now this suggests that the O&D traffic on these routes is very limited. Sadly transfer traffic cannot cope on its own, a successful airline is one that can get the balance between transit traffic and O&D traffic just right. None of the carriers (with perhaps the exception of EK) are going to be able to do this. Its just not sustainable.

But sure if I had all the money in the world I would trump it all into a white elephant of an airline too simply because I can. All other airlines that are actually forced to make a profit are rightly jealous but at least they are relatively secure in the event of a change in world circumstances.

[Edited 2008-05-09 08:58:32]


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User currently offlineAirMale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 375 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

The title is somehow misleading. QR is not actually planning anything, just talking about it. Some Gulf LCC are eating into QR market share and I think QR has every right to fight back with whatever means it thinks fits the situation.

Who is copying whom? Has EK invented the LCC's? And anyhow, let them invest in some new aircrafts, Airbus and Boeing won't mind......



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4845 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1912 times:

Whenever anything comes up about QR on this forum there is never a shortage of people ready to shit on them. Seriously what's wrong?

One of you said EY's big thing was quality of service, how does the same not apply to QR especially given their better and more consistent product? Honestly this is ridiculous. Yes Doha is not Dubai, I get that but there may be scope for an LCC. Besides at this point this is all speculative. The CEO has even said that he will only do this if he is forced to and yet some of you see fit to shit on him!

I know there are a lot of hard feeling fostered by many ex QR employees but maybe, just maybe former QR FAs and the like don't really understand the fundamentals of running an airline and should STFU.

YOWza



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User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2919 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1903 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 18):
The CEO has even said that he will only do this if he is forced to and yet some of you see fit to shit on him!

That is the MOST important point in this article.



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User currently offlineKissK From Malaysia, joined Aug 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1822 times:

They might not copying EK as so many people said EK did not invent LCC, in simple words they are just doing what EK does..

Quoting Ojas (Reply 7):
QR serves IAD, TXL, MAD , CEB, SGN , EWR , NAG , DPS to which neither EY nor EK serve.

i think MEL, SYD and PER and may be BNE are more important dest thatn .... CEB, DPS, NAG


User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2919 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1812 times:



Quoting KissK (Reply 17):
i think MEL, SYD and PER and may be BNE are more important dest thatn .... CEB, DPS, NAG

That is right, but QR has restricted rights to Australia and IIRC they do not have rights to operate into SYD. These may be more important markets, but what I mentioned was QR is not aping everything that EK does and that QR do HAVE destinations which are served neither EK nor EY , that's all.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12420 posts, RR: 100
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1795 times:
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I hope the CEO fights the pressure to form a LCC. QR needs its own identity. Personally, I'd like to see them operate a fleet of A319CJ's to selected destination, feeding in with their 77W's.  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Colombiano (Reply 5):
I have nothing against Qatar or Qatar Airways my point they need to get an identity for example :

EY good service
EK huge network and Transit

As an outsider, it does look like QR follows in EK's footsteps. I think they could do well setting their own course. Are they competing due to geographic location?  yes  But it could be a very different airline and should be to keep identity. Its difficult to point out QR's niche at this point.

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 6):
EK followed the steps of other airlines like Singapore, Korean, United, American, ect.... to set up LCC.

 checkmark  In particular, EK takes from SQ, CX, VS and then looks around for ideas. However, many are EK's own too. For example, not even SQ is considering relying on the A380 as much as EK will.

But in a way Dubai has grown to the point it can support its own local *small* LCC. Ok... it won't stay very small for long...  Wink I didn't think the Emirate should have set up their own LCC. It would have been better to invite a European LCC to enter the market (with Dubai's sovereign wealth fund buying a large share of it). For example, I think U2 between Europe to Dubai and Dubai to India would have done well.



Quoting Ojas (Reply 7):
QR serves IAD, TXL, MAD , CEB, SGN , EWR , NAG , DPS to which neither EY nor EK serve.

And that is the strength they should grow from. They will have to go head to head with EK on certain routes, but I think QR could do well setting up links to the lower feed cities in Europe and India. Just my  twocents , but I'm not seeing enough of a population base to support a LCC in Doha. Dubai? Yes. Not yet Doha.

Lightsaber



I've posted how many times?!?
User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1633 times:



Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
Launching a low-cost carrier is becoming a fashion now

LCC's in the Region

Saudi Arabia
NAS (www.flynas.com)
SAMA (www.flysama.com)

UAE
Air Arabia (www.airarabia.com)
RAK Airways (www.rakairways.com)
Poposed EK LCC

Kuwait
Jazeera Airways (www.jazeeraairways.com)

Bahrain
Bahrain Air (www.bahrainair.net)

That leaves Qatar, Oman and Yemen without any LCC in the region. Probably Qatar is countering with launching its own LCC. The big question will be the survival of so many LCC's in the region.

My best wishes to all of them.


User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

My humble opinion says they will all survive but only Air Arabia, EK's and QR's will expand beyond a few aircraft and minimal regional destinations. Actually EK and QR will probably be the only ones to enter the Indian and eastern market, so they will have a plus, and they will coexist even with competition.


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User currently offlineAirMale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 375 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

This is something none of the large Gulf carriers have talked about......... so, QR seems to have its own plans too:

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=12007


All business class regional service.....



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User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1529 times:



Quoting AirMale (Reply 22):
All business class regional service.....

THAT is neat.



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User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2919 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1525 times:



Quoting AirMale (Reply 22):
This is something none of the large Gulf carriers have talked about......... so, QR seems to have its own plans too:

Bull's Eye !!!



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25 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Similar to Khayala which is based in Jeddah/Riyadh and flies All business class regional service using spanking new A319 with around 40-50 seats in a
26 777way : Yemen is out of teh league its not a Gulf Arab state nor Oil rich. Etihad too are consideirng launching an LCC. Saudi LCCs are incurring heavy losses
27 OHLHD : They have one and if you take a closer look you will see a lot of differences especially fleet wise. BTW why should QR not fly to the US for example.
28 Colombiano : No but i mean stop serving the exact same cities , like EK announced Sao Paulo later on they did EK announced Australia later on they did eventhough
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